That would be interesting to see how it would work. Although, even if the fit was right I would hate knowing I have a Chinese made FJ40.
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YODA 88 62
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Agreed. They’d be good for a custom or rock crawler build to start out rust free. Or a build on that side of the world.
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On the big gap mentioned at the top of the door; it looks to me like that cruiser doesn’t have the filler panel on the top installed.
thecrazygreek
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I am going to contact them on getting an FJ43 1/2 tub. See if they would swing a single "sample" unit for me.
I'll report back what they say...
I'll report back what they say...
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Ah- I think you're right! it only has one of the two door header pieces installed. It's missing the one that snaps in to the other. The gap along the windshield frame seems off still, but it's even (parallel) at least... which could mean that the door just needs to be adjusted forward, which should be possible to some extent.
I get the feeling but my bet is most vehicles today, and spare parts , has something tied to China. Maybe even the steel.
Unfortunately you may be right. As long as there is an America hating commie in charge, things will not change.
I have been checking into this company myself since I saw the original post a few days ago. I told the OP that prior to COVID, I traveled to Chine frequently. I also have come to find that their factory is in Yangzhou, which is a huge auto parts manufacturing area. Yangzhou is one of the cities I travel to regularly, so once I'm able to go back, I will schedule a factory visit and see their operation. What I have been able to tell so far is that they 3D scan OEM parts for their manufacturing process. This is a good sign. They also offer tubs, but only '79 and up. They make FJ40 doors, aprons, hoods, fenders, bibs, bezels, windshield frames, running boards, '79 and up half and full tubs (with cowl), top sides (offering soon), and FJ45 roofs. In addition, they are offering FJ60 front fenders and front doors.
This appears to be a huge company. They make aftermarket body parts for many many vehicles.
As someone who works in the steel industry, I can tell you that Chinese steel is good quality, provided the right grade is specified. Their steel industry is probably one of the most modern in the world, and many of their mills have been built in the last 20 years. On top of that, many of the mills themselves are made by the Germans or Italians. The Germans make the best rolling mills in the world. Most US mills are German.
This appears to be a huge company. They make aftermarket body parts for many many vehicles.
As someone who works in the steel industry, I can tell you that Chinese steel is good quality, provided the right grade is specified. Their steel industry is probably one of the most modern in the world, and many of their mills have been built in the last 20 years. On top of that, many of the mills themselves are made by the Germans or Italians. The Germans make the best rolling mills in the world. Most US mills are German.
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Thank you, this is very helpful. 79+ tubs were different in different parts of the world. Heater or non heater model were different with non heater have a cowl vent in the center. Models with a roll bar had extra braces to mount the roll bar. Not.100% sure but believe the tub had fixed nuts to mount either short or long jump seats, at least my 3/79 has extra fixed nuts besides the ones for the short jump seats. While the US only got ambulance doors other markets still got barn doors and tailgates. One of the biggest changes was 10/82 the transmission hump changed to accommodate the H55F. This was also the date for the dash for the bolt in panel in the center. Dash changed 10/81 on RHD models. 10/81 is also when the switch in the A pillar was added for the dome light. Other options like tachometer and side defrost. Think some small markets didn't have some of the later changes. There really isn't a one size fits all for all markets. Not sure if I would ever buy a tub but with all the fitment issues adding a 3/4 tube to the cowl a full tub would be the way I would go. Think for the US best would be a 10/81-10/82 with the later hump for the H55F. This is with a roll bar, short jump seats and ambulance doors.
The good thing is having a quality producer. The bad thing it is China. Also you do not mention USA not even getting involved in such a venture. Seems we are not capable of having the will or ability to do so.
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This is a tech discussion in a tech forum. Please stop trolling here like it’s our long-lost P&R forum.
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It really is not trolling. Thank you. It is a discussion about metal parts and the quality of where they are made. Commenting on where they are made is this thread. ALIBABA is what this thread started with. Car parts and quality, and possible purchase. Just wonder why USA manufacturers are not doing it. Would save a lot of people time and money.
They supply parts to ICON and possibly others from what I was told. I suspect some of the bigger restoration shops may use some of their parts. I'd love to import some of their parts if the quality is good. The problem now is the shipping prices have skyrocketed.
I agree. That is why I would like to see the same type of factory based here in USA. Also, if ICON is using them, one would assume the quality is there. ICON in the end is an expensive vehicle so quality would be a huge deal. I suppose if there was some type of organizing for needs here, it might be worth it to contact them with a larger quantity purchase to lower costs all around. These are new fenders, doors, aprons etc... They also say that the fenders are OEM thickness. It seems like non OEM fenders are thinner. Hope that is true.
Looking again it may be worth it to buy the lesser quantity as the price is pretty good.
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I have two years from retirement and am forced to fall back on a blue collar job to fill that gap.
Mainly because blue collar pay is really good right now.
I can see no scenario where a US based manufacturer could afford to make these parts at US wage rates. We are currently 80 workers short where I work and $28/hour is not enough to attract additional workers who will show up sober and actually work.
thecrazygreek
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Looks like I’ll be buying the 43 rear half tub. They have no issue selling me a single unit for “evaluation”.
They asked if I want to order other items as I would save with shipping costs as they can stuff other items in the crate.
So I am looking to see if there’s anything else I could use. I may get rockers and a bib.
Tech question: since the rear 1/2 tub is 79 and later, what kind of fab is involved in mating it to a 77? I’m not too concerned about bolting it to the frame as I will be doing major mods there anyway.
They asked if I want to order other items as I would save with shipping costs as they can stuff other items in the crate.
So I am looking to see if there’s anything else I could use. I may get rockers and a bib.
Tech question: since the rear 1/2 tub is 79 and later, what kind of fab is involved in mating it to a 77? I’m not too concerned about bolting it to the frame as I will be doing major mods there anyway.
I agree. The doors would require dies and stamping presses, which they already have the latter based on all the other parts they make. Honestly, I'm surprised they make 40 parts at all. It can't be a high demand item.
Living in the Past
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I think you will find mating the 79+ floor to the 12/78 around d the B pillar difficult. Same with changing the two at the A pillar. Up thru 78 gas tank was inside and floor around the B pillar was boxed. 1/79+ tank mounted underneath the tub and no boxed section.
What are they charging for a 43 half tub? I have a 82 FJ40 tub and frame that the tub is repairable in the front hand and frame is in good condition. Springs and rear axle are still there. Springs are wrong for a mid wheel and would have to add a swaybar. Think the heavier 8/80 springs would be okay and swaybar wouldn't be too hard.
PS: do you know what type of rear doors the 43 1/2 made for?
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That’s cool you’ll have the opportunity to check out their process and share info about them. It’s impressive that they can recreate a whole car using a similar process as a Weather Tech floor mat. I’m curious about the whole process from the lasers to building the dies for the press and all the steps leading to the final product. Probably a How It’s Made style video on that.
Not all Chinese products are bad. There are so many products that give them a bad reputation and so few they are known for their good quality. 1-2 time use products that cost a a smaller amount of money works for a lot of products. Expectations can usually be set accordingly based on price.
What are the big differences of the metal comparing a less expensive alternative fender vs an OEM Toyota? Thickness, metal makeup, corrosion resistance, etc. Even stock vehicles can have different metal. 1975 Ford truck picture attached for reference. Assuming the rusted hood is stock.
