For sure. That's why I wanted one. However, I don't think many here would argue its nameplate carries more provenance than the LC.
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It does not share the chassis with the 300. The differences have been outlined ad nauseam.
Softening. How so? The 100 and 200 have been, and continue to be, relied upon in high numbers by elite military units and organizations in just about every modern war zone in the last 25 years.
Do you anticipate the 4cyl hybrid LC250 Prado serving in combat at the capacity the 100s and 200s have?
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This. 4Runners are also overbuilt.
I had a 1st gen and that thing was bulletproof. We currently have a 3rd gen and it's plenty burly too. The same class of vehicles from other manufacturers just don't compare. My dad's got a 2nd gen Sequoia and that's a tank too.
Toyota trucks and truck-based SUVs are overbuilt, PERIOD.
I’m sure the 250 is built well, and the new 4runner
These are not made in China
High quality items that demand high price tags
Agreed....the 250 will use the same 9.5" rear diff as the current 200 and what is probalby a similar suspension/frame/etc as the 300 and the 3rd gen Tundra. The new platform sharing seems to be beefing up everything.
With the exception of the rear diff, my 2007 GX470 is also over-built....hence is still running strong at 16 years of age and counting. I would have got a 100 series instead of a GX, except they were literally 2X as much and I didn't see the overall value at twice the cost.
With the exception of the rear diff, my 2007 GX470 is also over-built....hence is still running strong at 16 years of age and counting. I would have got a 100 series instead of a GX, except they were literally 2X as much and I didn't see the overall value at twice the cost.
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They may be overbuilt compared to other vehicles in their class but they are not built like a true Land Cruiser.
From Hundy to 2024 LC 250?
Real Landcruiser should be able to take you to super long road trips or overland trips and back, at 150k miles. Alaska winter, Death Valley summer, trip to Baja or central America where OEM parts and quality gas may not be as readily available. I'm not sure if LC250 can do that (even with a new...
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Reply … I think that comment has no substanceThey may be overbuilt compared to other vehicles in their class but they are not built like a true Land Cruiser.
From Hundy to 2024 LC 250?
Real Landcruiser should be able to take you to super long road trips or overland trips and back, at 150k miles. Alaska winter, Death Valley summer, trip to Baja or central America where OEM parts and quality gas may not be as readily available. I'm not sure if LC250 can do that (even with a new...
Modern vehicles are of different materials… and design
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Ah the 'No true Scotsman' argument.They may be overbuilt compared to other vehicles in their class but they are not built like a true Land Cruiser.
From Hundy to 2024 LC 250?
Real Landcruiser should be able to take you to super long road trips or overland trips and back, at 150k miles. Alaska winter, Death Valley summer, trip to Baja or central America where OEM parts and quality gas may not be as readily available. I'm not sure if LC250 can do that (even with a new...
Typically a sign that one's argument lacks merit.
That's not a "No True Scotsman" argument. He's just saying as well built as 4Runners are, they're still not built to the same standard as LCs, which is probably true. No True Scotsman would be like saying no car made will ever be a Land Cruiser. If Toyota makes a LC, there's your Scotsman.
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Yeah but the Prado's not a true Landcruiser.
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Toyota calls it a Land Cruiser Prado. Direct from the horses mouth. Does Toyota not know what a true Land Cruiser is when they manufacture Land Cruisers?
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You are correct, sorry if the context wasn't clear. I was being facetious to illustrate my previous point. Emoji added to show I was joking.
I think the whole truck/SUV line is imbued with Land Cruiser engineering and know how and has been all along. And now especially with the whole line (besides the 70) on the same platform what's a "true Landcruiser" is splitting hairs.
One can continually argue something is (or is not) a "true" version. This is often a argument without merit and only serves to move the goalpost to maintain one's erroneous point.
Like:
The "Light Duty" series isn't a true Landcruiser.
The only current true Landcruiser is the 70 series.
There hasn't been a true Landcruiser since the 40 and 55 series.
True landcruisers have carburetors and points distributors.
If it doesn't have a V8 it's not a true Landcruiser.
If it doesn't have an ICE it's not a true Landcruiser.
etc.
EDIT: clarification
I admit it's irrational to buy a vehicle for the badge, but the poster in my bedroom said Land Cruiser, not Fortuner or Surf.
A Prado is a true, light duty Land Cruiser.
The LC250 is looking like a light duty Prado.
4cyl/battery powertrain, and cast aluminum critical IFS components, and plastic everywhere
Saw the 250 at Cruiserfest. It's pretty awesome but definitely more 4Runner than LC. Scrawny tie rods and low IFS. Cast aluminum knuckles and tie rod ends which are guaranteed to fail it's just a matter of how long it takes. Bang em into a rock and they will crack, maybe the same day, maybe in 5 years from then.
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My apologies, I lost track of the serious vs. facetious comments in my quick check-up of the thread
.But still a Land Cruiser! Example - a Milwaukee M18 drill is still a Milwaukee, regardless of if it is a normal one, brushless one, or a full Fuel. They are all made by Milwaukee and are all good/reliable drills, one just has more power and uses less battery.A Prado is a true, light duty Land Cruiser.
The LC250 appears to have beefier suspension/drivetrain than the Prado 150 - again pointing at the 9.5" rear diff and TNGA platform - so my initial impression is that the delta between a 250 and 300 is less than the delta between a 200 and a 150.
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No one seems to be able to point to anything that is lighter duty vs the LC300. Help me out folks. What is it that you think is lighter duty? It looks the same to me other than the front suspension and the higher clearance rear cross member, the rolling chassis are functionally identical. And the front suspension is better on the LC250 and even better yet on the Tacoma with more protection for the coil overs and sway bar location moved to a more protected location.
The inner TRE is unusual most of the new GA-F models with a necked down segment. Not sure if that's for frequency filtering, built in flex zone, failure point, or ??? It is the only part I see that looks inferior, although without more it's hard to compare. I don't know whether it actually represents a weak point or whether the failure point is still the threads like most TRE failures and it's for some other purpose. But - I'd agree that that specific component does look like a smaller profile than the LC300. Hopefully at some point when the parts actually show up in dealerships someone can put the various TREs side by side to see how similar or different they are. I've never seen one break on any modern Toyota. It has probably happened somewhere.
What is it that you think makes the LC300 more "land cruiser" than the LC250 that doesn't make the Sequoia even more "land cruiser" than the LC300?
The inner TRE is unusual most of the new GA-F models with a necked down segment. Not sure if that's for frequency filtering, built in flex zone, failure point, or ??? It is the only part I see that looks inferior, although without more it's hard to compare. I don't know whether it actually represents a weak point or whether the failure point is still the threads like most TRE failures and it's for some other purpose. But - I'd agree that that specific component does look like a smaller profile than the LC300. Hopefully at some point when the parts actually show up in dealerships someone can put the various TREs side by side to see how similar or different they are. I've never seen one break on any modern Toyota. It has probably happened somewhere.
What is it that you think makes the LC300 more "land cruiser" than the LC250 that doesn't make the Sequoia even more "land cruiser" than the LC300?
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Other examples:
It's not a real Landcruiser if it's got plastic and aluminum all over.
It's not a real Landcruiser if it's a 4cly hybrid.
Exactly
Can you post a pic of your 300s IFS?
I would like to remind everyone that this is a preproduction Unit was well. It wasn't perfect by any means. The paint had orange peel and the body had its imperfections. What I can say is that this thing moves... No videos of it due to respecting the wishes of the Toyota reps but holy cow it had acceleration that I was not expecting.
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