Cummins crate diesel 4 cylinder......

[auttiman]

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[auttiman]

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[inkpot]

The basic Titan for 2018 curb weight lists at 5200-6000 #. My 80 weighs more than that.

 

[Landseer]

Lightest version of the Titan with the 5.0 (as far as I can find) is ~6400 lbs, crew cab weighs ~7400lbs. Theoretically a stock 80 weighs in around 4600lbs although most probably weigh a bit more. With bumpers, armor, etc. you can definitely add on 1,000+ lbs easy. Weight difference really depends on which version of the Titan and how much stuff is bolted to the 80.

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[baldilocks]

Cummings?

 

[Mudder]

Cummings?

I've been waiting for that

The plastic oil pan gave me a good laugh, better not hit it on a rock

 

[Bludozer]

Cummings?

 

[baldilocks]

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Gross!!!

 

[Dave 2000]

Is the 1HD-T really Toyota’s best? I am honestly asking, not trying to troll. We don’t have them here in US, but I recently spoke with a German couple that has on and has replaced injector pump twice and something else twice. I also got the impression the bottom end was more likely to have problems than the gas motors.

While the simplicity of all mechanical sounds nice, when I compare the noise and smell of a mechanical 5.9 Cummins to newer 6.7, it makes me really, really reluctant to use a 25 year old diesel over a brand new one. Noise, smell, starting, and smoothness matter to me. I LOVED the torque my common rail 5.9 Cummins had in my Ram truck, but my wife really hated the noise on highway, too loud for conversation, so I sold it. And it was significantly quieter that the mechanical 5.9s (my next door neighbor had one.). While I am not excited about the emissions system of 6.7, it’s WAY quieter than my 5.9 CRD.

Electronic vs mechanical, I look at it like carburetor vs fuel injection. My fuel injectored vehicles have ran great and never had an issue with fuel injection system. My carbureted vehicles have been very problematic, and even at their best never worked as well as fuel injection.

I have a 94 with the 1HD-T stock pretty much in every way. Yes I appreciate it is an old design but it is so damn reliable!

There are three common problems with them.

The first which has been mentioned is the big end bearings, there was a problem from the factory. At around 150,000 200,000 miles they start to flake, eventually fail and put a leg out of bed. I changed them IIRC about 180,000 miles, pictures and links in my sig. Once changed thats it, a 2 hour job done for good, I compare that common problem wth the petrol versions head gasket, except you can do it as one off preventative maintenance for about $30.00?

The second is the starter contacts, it seems to be more of an issue on diesels, so change about every 200,000 miles Yep that desperate looking for regular problems.

And finally the third, they are so reliable owners forget to open the bonnet and service them!

They do have a timing belt, change this at 80,000 miles, this is super easy as the injection pump drives the cam via the belt, so you don't even need to get under the car an easy hour including a beer.

Diesels are expensive to repair, buy cheap fuel from a backstreet garage with water contamination and you will screw up your pump, so mainstreem garage that trucks use is best.

They start at the flick of a key, no cats, no OBD, no ECU, plug leads, plugs, sensors, blah blah. Some countries refused the more modern diesel motors from Toyota, to avoid troublesome electronics, mechanical rocks! But then thats why they insist on diesel, the UN use them in third world countries and not just for the fuel availabiliy. Diesel used to be smelly foamy and generally nasty if spilt, still not nice on your hands if you don't use provided gloves but with a little care no problem besides, you won't be in the filling station as often.

The rest of the vehicle is pretty much as per your typical gasser, I was not a diesel lover and in fact when I did my training it was on petrol engines, diesels were reserved for trucks back in the seventies.

I have broken a manual gearbox on mine, work needed on the 80 diesel engine in 10 thats TEN years is a water pump!

I now own three vehicles.......all diesels.


Regards

Dave

 

[scottryana]

I agree with Dave if I desperately needed a diesel, it would be a 1HD-T/1HD-FT. Warmed over a little. I love the idea of a Cummins motor but the 4bt is too rough and the 6bt is too much engine IMO.

To me the draw of the diesel would be the lack of electronics. This 2.8 I don’t believe will offer great power in stock form and the economy won’t be that much better once you retune it for more power. But I like that we have options.

 

[bigredmachine]

Theoretically a stock 80 weighs in around 4600lbs although most probably weigh a bit more.

its closer to 5200, I'm a little over that on the scales at the scrap yard unloaded.

 

[Jgunner]

I think the 2.8 could use a bigger turbo. Seriously it is tinier than what comes on an eclipse(well, its close and im only talking about the compressor side). So with a bigger snail, some tuning and related stuff, i could easily see 250 hp and 500 tq.

I would think that is still reliable. It isnt going to pop unless the head bolts are weak, so maybe throw arp’s at it and it should go for 500k. Even if it only lasts 200k, thats not terrible, thats about 20 years of service down to maybe only 10 years for the guys who never leave the driver seat. If this 2.8 isnt a turd from china, then it should last.

I’d prefer a 3.x displacement for sure, get an 8 speed behind it and tune it. That would be it, however it will come with at least another 200 pounds and 2k dollars. If you’re not trying to race, the 2.8 tuned will do everything our trucks do now, but with mileage. With an updated trans 6-8 speed, itll be even better.

 

[Dragos80]

I think the 2.8 could use a bigger turbo. Seriously it is tinier than what comes on an eclipse(well, its close and im only talking about the compressor side). So with a bigger snail, some tuning and related stuff, i could easily see 250 hp and 500 tq.

Larger turbo = even more lag and this 2.8 is a laggy one.

I’d prefer a 3.x displacement for sure, get an 8 speed behind it and tune it. That would be it, however it will come with at least another 200 pounds and 2k dollars. If you’re not trying to race, the 2.8 tuned will do everything our trucks do now, but with mileage. With an updated trans 6-8 speed, itll be even better.

I love where you're going with this BMW diesel engine setup.

3.0L, Inline 6, 350HP/500TQ and only 467lb

 

[inkpot]

Lightest version of the Titan with the 5.0 (as far as I can find) is ~6400 lbs, crew cab weighs ~7400lbs. Theoretically a stock 80 weighs in around 4600lbs although most probably weigh a bit more. With bumpers, armor, etc. you can definitely add on 1,000+ lbs easy. Weight difference really depends on which version of the Titan and how much stuff is bolted to the 80.

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I was looking at standard model with v8 gasser

 

[Jgunner]

Larger turbo = even more lag and this 2.8 is a laggy one.

If this is the case and a tune doesn’t solve it, then a more efficient turbo, like batmowheel in the factory housing. Bullseye does quite a bit with diesels. I rode in their first tripple turbo a long time ago.

 

[shocktower]

Lightest version of the Titan with the 5.0 (as far as I can find) is ~6400 lbs, crew cab weighs ~7400lbs. Theoretically a stock 80 weighs in around 4600lbs although most probably weigh a bit more. With bumpers, armor, etc. you can definitely add on 1,000+ lbs easy. Weight difference really depends on which version of the Titan and how much stuff is bolted to the 80.

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Mine with 35"s and full tank of fuel 5700# Cummins 6bt

 

[Dragos80]

Fresh Drifta video on a Patrol with a BMW diesel engine in it. It's been done multiple times over.

This 2.8 Cummins is just cummings.