this thread cracks me up sometimes.
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I think Toyota have had some problems while building these rigs and especialy when changing to LHD. They made some creative fixes that you can't allways see but come across when building something different than stock.
I'm guessing no more head case and full speed on the 40?
Oh and did I get it right, you are giving us less qualified welders an internet class?
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I think Toyota have had some problems while building these rigs and especialy when changing to LHD. They made some creative fixes that you can't allways see but come across when building something different than stock.
I'm guessing no more head case and full speed on the 40?
Oh and did I get it right, you are giving us less qualified welders an internet class?
Im guessing you are right, but I just can not see what the variation would be. the hanger bracket is the same dimension, the springs are the same dimensions, the front hangers are in the location and the reference point that I am measuring off of is the same...its just weird. The only other thing I could think of is that one spring has more wear than the other and is a bit flatter. I did not measure the distance from the ground to the bottom of the spring....Ill do that today.
Im going to guess something like this is what accounts for the MYSTERIOUS cruiser lean.
Yeup. Full speed on the 40.
As far as the internet class. There is far too many bats flying around in my brain to be able to teach anything. Ive got my own VOODOO when Im welding which is why this crap takes me so long.
Just so you know, if you look back at the post...I wasnt the one busting on Rusty's welds. Ive got no room to talk on that topic.
Im guessing you are right, but I just can not see what the variation would be. the hanger bracket is the same dimension, the springs are the same dimensions, the front hangers are in the location and the reference point that I am measuring off of is the same...its just weird. The only other thing I could think of is that one spring has more wear than the other and is a bit flatter. I did not measure the distance from the ground to the bottom of the spring....Ill do that today.
Im going to guess something like this is what accounts for the MYSTERIOUS cruiser lean.
Yeup. Full speed on the 40.
As far as the internet class. There is far too many bats flying around in my brain to be able to teach anything. Ive got my own VOODOO when Im welding which is why this **** takes me so long.
Just so you know, if you look back at the post...I wasnt the one busting on Rusty's welds. Ive got no room to talk on that topic.
I think they had to change things with LHD version because of the weight shift and they used their Japanese calculation/alteration method. Its like making alterations on alterations which are getting more and more complicated but you don't want to start all over again.
I know it wasn't you making remarks but I've seen your welds so I'd rather have you do the training.
Or did you have your
do the weldingAnyhow they look a lot better than mine, hell I can not even measure up to Rusty's.
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LOL
Thanks for the prop on the welds. I really do appreciate that since I have been self taught.
So I just ordered all my front end jazz...
studs, cones, nuts and overall knuckle re build stuff aaaaaaaand....
30 spline longs!!!!!
Had em in my FJ62 that I bought and installed and then SOLD, so Im hating the fact that I had to buy em again, but theyre worth it.
That was the last MAJOR expense purchase to be made so Im pretty excited about it!
Thanks for the prop on the welds. I really do appreciate that since I have been self taught.
So I just ordered all my front end jazz...
studs, cones, nuts and overall knuckle re build stuff aaaaaaaand....
30 spline longs!!!!!
Had em in my FJ62 that I bought and installed and then SOLD, so Im hating the fact that I had to buy em again, but theyre worth it.
That was the last MAJOR expense purchase to be made so Im pretty excited about it!
rusty_tlc
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Tell me you got the inners and hubs too.LOL
Thanks for the prop on the welds. I really do appreciate that since I have been self taught.
So I just ordered all my front end jazz...
studs, cones, nuts and overall knuckle re build stuff aaaaaaaand....
30 spline longs!!!!!
Had em in my FJ62 that I bought and installed and then SOLD, so Im hating the fact that I had to buy em again, but theyre worth it.
That was the last MAJOR expense purchase to be made so Im pretty excited about it!
So I just ordered all my front end jazz...
studs, cones, nuts and overall knuckle re build stuff aaaaaaaand....
30 spline longs!!!!!
Had em in my FJ62 that I bought and installed and then SOLD, so Im hating the fact that I had to buy em again, but theyre worth it.
That was the last MAJOR expense purchase to be made so Im pretty excited about it!
30 spline longs have held the 40's on patches so far... I am still a little scared to really flog her yet tho
just in case. I let out when it bounces but i have seen others bounce the crud out of full bodied rigs with no problems on similar sized meats. 
I need to order the hub gears so JUST IN CASE i manager to bust a birf or axle they are warrantied as best i can have them.
Maybe the springs aren't the same. I mean maybe they have slightly different spring rate? Did you try swapping them?
My '78 has this problem. Cruiser lean...
rusty_tlc
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I didn't know that I just ordered the "Set" from Bobby.gotta have the inners to use the 30 spline birfs.
rusty_tlc
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I did that on my truck, no change what so ever from swapping springs side to side.
If you read the factory service bulletin on Cruiser lean (it's been posted here a few times.) It calls for a plate on the corner opposite the low corner to flatten that spring out IIRC it's the front PS spring.
It's the rear PS. I've got that plate. It makes a difference, but not enough.
So what's the solution with a custom SOA? Match the lengths, or match the shackle angles?
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well...matching the length worked in the rear, but in the front it was off by 12* when I put the weight of the rig on the springs. So I tried it with matching the angles...I set em to 20* to allow for spring settle.
Got all the brackets made for the outboard, most of its welded at this point.
Slapped the sag box on to see where the holes were gonna run, and Im gonna have to make a recess in my gusset on the DS front. No biggie there.
Threw the diff in and cobbled a solid drive shaft to get the angles set there. Used a couple of old shafts that I had laying around and welded some pipe in between to make up the difference. Didnt get a chance to SET the pinion angle as I had to go get dog food, but I did find that the stock cruiser shaft diameter is about a half in away from the trans pan!
So Ill probably have to get a smaller dia. shaft made. Its right up by the t case, so there will be minimal movement there theoretically.
Pretty big day all in all.
Ill get some pics up later. Dont feel much like crawling back under the rig now that Im squeaky clean.
Got all the brackets made for the outboard, most of its welded at this point.
Slapped the sag box on to see where the holes were gonna run, and Im gonna have to make a recess in my gusset on the DS front. No biggie there.
Threw the diff in and cobbled a solid drive shaft to get the angles set there. Used a couple of old shafts that I had laying around and welded some pipe in between to make up the difference. Didnt get a chance to SET the pinion angle as I had to go get dog food, but I did find that the stock cruiser shaft diameter is about a half in away from the trans pan!
So Ill probably have to get a smaller dia. shaft made. Its right up by the t case, so there will be minimal movement there theoretically.
Pretty big day all in all.
Ill get some pics up later. Dont feel much like crawling back under the rig now that Im squeaky clean.
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You have new springs? Sorry for not being up on the whole 100 pages of this thread.
Once you matched the front shackle angles is the front axle parallel to the rear? Remember how clean you are as you ponder this question.
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You have new springs? Sorry for not being up on the whole 100 pages of this thread.
Once you matched the front shackle angles is the front axle parallel to the rear? Remember how clean you are as you ponder this question.
No, they are refurbished (by me) springs.
I didnt check parallel front to rear axle. I only checked for square for the front AND the rear.
Didnt even think about it to be honest.
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I ordered a pair of these from Proffitt's today and I picked up my front axle from the shipper. You'd better hurry. I'm catching up.
SHIIIIIIT....Im pretty sure youll be done WAAAAAY before me!
Good luck with the offset hangers.
Seems like a good way to go.
can't get enough of your build, you've motivated me and I believe many others, thanks. I know I'm a rookie, newbie, know nothing piece of **** but...... been thinkin about the situation your having with your front shackle angles and all, maybe you could check and see if your perches are set on the same plane. if they are out even a 1/2º or so it could possibly make a difference.
former SLT resident.
former SLT resident.
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can't get enough of your build, you've motivated me and I believe many others, thanks. I know I'm a rookie, newbie, know nothing piece of **** but...... been thinkin about the situation your having with your front shackle angles and all, maybe you could check and see if your perches are set on the same plane. if they are out even a 1/2º or so it could possibly make a difference.
former SLT resident.
HAHA...we were all "rookies" man. I was one just a few years ago as I havent been in this game all that long. Its been fire storm since I got my first cruiser. Glad I could help in some way. This is the build of my life time. One that I will probably never do again.
As far as the perches...they are not set. I just have em secured to the housing with the u bolts till I can get my pinion angle set.
The shackle angle thing is weird for sure. Ill find out more tomorrow when I get back in the garage. I work 3, 12 hr shifts, so the days I work I have NO TIME for the cruiser. Everything measures out right. I think like others have said...different spring rates, more wear on one spring vs the other. Ill spend some time measuring things out, but Im not gonna beat myself up over it. My main concern is the shackle angles are the same (within a deg or two) and so long as the hanger placement is not INCHES off one side to the other there really shouldnt be that much of an issue. so long as the housing is square that is.
The rear was the same, but in the rear I had to match the perches and in the front I had to match the angles...
Just dont know. Mystery.
