Not trying to stir the pot here but IMO its not good enough to just find a grease with 5% moly in it. One reallly should do the research to find a grease with moly @ a 3 to 5 micron particulate. In tapered roller bearrings greases with a larger particulate moly can do more harm than good. Also I dont really understand everyones problems with aluminum complex or calcium sulfonate greases. Lithium base technology is like 70 years old. It cant perform next to later technology greases. If calcium sulfonate is so bad for our rigs I dont get why Catapilar recommends it for their equipment or why major bus carriers like Grey hound use it in their busses. Again, Im not trying to stir anything up I just dont understand.
Chewbacca's Birfield Grease Guide
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I think you have some good points here. Most grease manufacturers don't specify the moly particulate size which makes me wonder about the quality of the moly added in certain brands. I am also reading LOTS of good things about greases with aluminum thickners.
bobistheoilguy.com has a good grease forum that may be able to shed some light on this.
Has anyone used this? I have a tube at home I was going to add to my birfs but pondered on it a while and just put in some Canadian Tire Brand Moly EP grease as Im not sure if any people have used it.
Lubrimatic Green Biobased lubricants Moly EP Grease.
N.L.G.I. #2
Base Lythium
Dropping Point 338f/170C
Amazon.com: Lubrimatic Green Biobased Moly EP Grease, 14-oz cartridge (10314): Automotive
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Lubrimatic Green Biobased lubricants Moly EP Grease.
N.L.G.I. #2
Base Lythium
Dropping Point 338f/170C
Amazon.com: Lubrimatic Green Biobased Moly EP Grease, 14-oz cartridge (10314): Automotive
Cheers
Lithium Based:
Castrol LMM Grease: A special high
temperature heavy duty grease containing
extreme pressure additives and molybdenum
disulphide.
Particularly suited when antiseize properties are
required and residual dry film lubrication
characteristics are required. Moly content is 3%
NGL 2
Worked penetration @ 25degC 265-295
Drop Point (minimum) 177degC
Castrol LMM Grease: A special high
temperature heavy duty grease containing
extreme pressure additives and molybdenum
disulphide.
Particularly suited when antiseize properties are
required and residual dry film lubrication
characteristics are required. Moly content is 3%
NGL 2
Worked penetration @ 25degC 265-295
Drop Point (minimum) 177degC
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This stuff looks pretty good. It would be interesting to know the moly content % and how the classification of "Biodegradable" affects the stability of the grease over short term and long term use, according to Lubrimatic, it sounds like an advantage.
Plews Edelmann
This stuff looks pretty good. It would be interesting to know the moly content % and how the classification of "Biodegradable" affects the stability of the grease over short term and long term use, according to Lubrimatic, it sounds like an advantage.
Plews Edelmann
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I have added a chart to the first post in this topic that shows grease ratings. Enjoy! 
ok, I have to come clean. I sell lubrication for a living. I work for the company its not a multi level thing like amsoil. We go throught extensive training on lubrication but I still leatn new things all the time. I can testify that during my time with the company using the industry standard tests that I have never had a grease beat or even perform as well as ours. The other 1000 people across the country that do my job will tell you the same thing. Im not trying to sell grease here believe me. I sell products in bulk so individuals are not in my market. Without being specific I can tell you that I personally have replaced most of the grease mentioned in this topic already and the customers love my product. Another thing one should look for in a product is IS9001 certification. My company has all types of grease lithium, calcium suphonate, aluminum complex, bentonite, as well as food grade. We sell aluminum complex the most. I can also say that lab results confirm that synthetic greases only perform to about 98% of what their natural ingredient counterparts can perform. Texas Refinery Company makes some quality grease along with Kendall, Canseco also has some decent stuff. Honestly as a rule of thumb, if you can find it on the shelf at your chain type parts house dont buy it. Also I'd run from Schaffer. This is some of what I have learned in the lube buisness. Im not trying to shove my products at anyone. If I can help with any questions I will try.
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Do you have a list of greases your company offers, along with detailed spec sheets?
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Well, after minimal amounts of research, I think I may have found my next multi-purpose grease. This stuff is supposedly GC for wheel bearing performance, LB for chassis lubricating performance, moly fortified and covers the full range of our operating temps here ( I noticed lots of other greases stop at around -5 to -15 F and it in really rare cases gets colder than that here). Anyways, any thoughts on this one? Again a big bummer that Amsoil took away their GHD grease.
Valvoline.com > Products > Grease Gear Oil > Grease > SynPower® Synthetic Grease
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower_Grease.pdf
Valvoline.com > Products > Grease Gear Oil > Grease > SynPower® Synthetic Grease
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower_Grease.pdf
Again guys, Im not trying to sell anything here. We deal with buisnesses so it would be difficult at best to sell here. I have all spec sheets on me for all our greases. If you will tell me the info you desire and on what type greases I will post it on here but there is like 20 different pieces of info on each grease so it would take a while to post all of them.
Pyro,
I think it would useful to know what improvements have been made in the last 20years in greases. We only specify we want Lithium based grease with moly because the FSM says thats what we should use for knuckles.
And a high temperature bentonite based grease for wheel bearings
There are 2 major greases types mudders want a knuckle/birfield grease and a wheel bearing grease.
What specs should we be looking for given the improvements over the last 20years or so?
Cheers
I think it would useful to know what improvements have been made in the last 20years in greases. We only specify we want Lithium based grease with moly because the FSM says thats what we should use for knuckles.
And a high temperature bentonite based grease for wheel bearings
There are 2 major greases types mudders want a knuckle/birfield grease and a wheel bearing grease.
What specs should we be looking for given the improvements over the last 20years or so?
Cheers
Ozdunc,
When it comes to lubrication I rarely go with exactly what the FSM says for several reasons. Case and point is that our FSM calls for an 80w-90 gear oil. I run 75w-90 synthetic because it actually does alot better job. I wouldnt ever put a bentonite clay grease in my rig for one reason, it wont blend with any other greases. As a general purpose grease I use a calcium sulfonate grease. I have it at my disposal and it specs higher than any other on the market so I use it. I wouldnt hesitate however, to use an aluminum complex grease. These greases I sell of course. One thing I wanted to mention is, not only should we take into account how the grease specs, we should also test by doing home demo's. Grease A may spec in some areas higher than grease B but grease B can still out perform grease A in a demo or real world use just because of ingredient quality. In the previous video torch test you saw how the dark grease started to char and burn under the torch yet the red grease showed the parafin starting to separate as it broke down leaving a waxy film around the outside of the grease pool. The dark grease more than like performed under the heat the way it did due to no melt addative. I say this because the geases I demo against with that type addative perform the same way. A grease that peforms well under heat should melt at the rated temp but then cool to the exact same number 2 grease it started life as. Just another note on bentonite greases. Not one person that I have spoken with at my company has run into a bentonite grease being used as a general purpose grease in a real world situation. Bentonite greases have a very specific place for use and IMO our rigs is not the place. Hope this helps
When it comes to lubrication I rarely go with exactly what the FSM says for several reasons. Case and point is that our FSM calls for an 80w-90 gear oil. I run 75w-90 synthetic because it actually does alot better job. I wouldnt ever put a bentonite clay grease in my rig for one reason, it wont blend with any other greases. As a general purpose grease I use a calcium sulfonate grease. I have it at my disposal and it specs higher than any other on the market so I use it. I wouldnt hesitate however, to use an aluminum complex grease. These greases I sell of course. One thing I wanted to mention is, not only should we take into account how the grease specs, we should also test by doing home demo's. Grease A may spec in some areas higher than grease B but grease B can still out perform grease A in a demo or real world use just because of ingredient quality. In the previous video torch test you saw how the dark grease started to char and burn under the torch yet the red grease showed the parafin starting to separate as it broke down leaving a waxy film around the outside of the grease pool. The dark grease more than like performed under the heat the way it did due to no melt addative. I say this because the geases I demo against with that type addative perform the same way. A grease that peforms well under heat should melt at the rated temp but then cool to the exact same number 2 grease it started life as. Just another note on bentonite greases. Not one person that I have spoken with at my company has run into a bentonite grease being used as a general purpose grease in a real world situation. Bentonite greases have a very specific place for use and IMO our rigs is not the place. Hope this helps
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How about a synthetic grease you offer with a lithium base and 3-5% moly additive.
Thanks!
Yes, and to add a few more features:
1. Lowest lubricating temperature range of at least -40F.
2. A rating of at least 70 for Timken Rating.
3. Rated for both GC (wheel bearing) and LB (chassis lubricating).
Thanks Again!
I just ordered 5 tubes of the Cat 3moly grease $5 per tube at the local Finning dealer.
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Yes, and to add a few more features:
1. Lowest lubricating temperature range of at least -40F.
2. A rating of at least 70 for Timken Rating.
3. Rated for both GC (wheel bearing) and LB (chassis lubricating).
Thanks Again!
Sounds good. What is the product called and do you have spec sheets for it?
Thanks!
Curious why you picked Cat 3moly for medium loads/ medium speed and not Cat 5moly for high loads?
Note: I know nothing about grease
Curious why you picked Cat 3moly for medium loads/ medium speed and not Cat 5moly for high loads?
Note: I know nothing about grease
It seemed to meet all the requirements, the 5moly would have been good too. I figure looking at all the other greases listed here the 3moly is about the same as the rest in there breakdowns.
Sorry but that won't work well for me. I think it is the Valvoline Moly Multi-Purpose for me throughout the future. Or, if Amsoil brings back their formula. Thanks.
