JToobe
SILVER Star
@JToobe let me know what you think of the Ocean. I can't bring myself to drop 80$ on a bottle without knowing it's good. As far as the defiant I was not a huge fan. I agree with the "bland" description. Some things take time to do right. Like land cruisers and whiskey.
I like it but am hesitant to recommend anything that pricey as we all have our preferences. I got this bottle at Costco for $64 before it got popular ......if you lived nearby I'd offer you a taste! If you haven't had a chance to try some by the ONSC Christmas party and can attend, I'll bring it with me.