BMW seats + Torfab brackets install = Ahhhhhh...

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I have pretty decent stock seats in my "87 FJ60, except for a big wear hole in the driver side cover. I put the SOR seat cushion in the driver side, and fixed them up best I could, but the seats just are not comfy as you know, in my case (6 foot 2 inches ) especially. I think they were designed for short Japanese folks to ride about in, not typical Americans. Anyway they are too high, and don't support my upper back, plus they don't go far back enough for my lanky legs, making for sore butt on just about any serious drive over 2 hrs. I decided early on I wanted better seats, and the hunt began...

After reading the thread about Torfab's brackets for BMW seats (https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/fj60-62-bmw-seat-brackets.767560/ ), I started looking for a nice pair of grey seats to match my gray 'cruiser. I have a 2005 E46 330i sedan and like the seats fine in that car, so I began asking and calling around.

I located a very nice pair of 2003 325i power seats and got them out the door for $400 from a euro parts recycler after looking for a couple weeks, and ordered the Torfab brackets. I got M10 30mm button head 10,9 grade black bolts, washers, and serrated flange locknuts from McMaster-Carr. Here are the seats:
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The seats are power and the driver's seat had memory. I gave them a good scrubbing and some Zaino leather treatment and they cleaned up real nice. I took some time cleaning all the gooey half-dried coke and Starbucks latte off the rails, as well as deftly removed a dozen old pennies and assorted coins. I cleaned out the tracks best I could, hooked up a 12V supply, and tested the seats to make sure they worked.
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After cleaning the seats I located the main power wires, which are red and brown. I left all other wires unconnected, as there is no BMW to connect them to, is there? I soldered 30A Anderson powerpole connectors on each seat. Here are some pics of the connectors, and a chopstick points to the main power on the big yellow connector where I cut them off ( I left the connectors on there and enough stub to reconnect if for some crazy reason I ever wanted to sell them in the future). On the BMW schematic/shop manual for E46 3-series it shows the connector as X275 with red and brown 2.5 mm wire on a 30A fuse for each seat. FYI. This looked about like #14 wire. I had some 14 pure copper red/black zip cord to run power from my Blue Sea fuse block I already have for stereo, power amp, and Kenwood Dual-band VHF/UHF HAM radio.
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The main amount of work was prep: I had to do a rear heater bypass and delete, and relocate my power amp which was under the driver seat and would not clear the BMW seats. This involve basically a lot of tedious re-wiring to relocate the amp, including pulling door sill panels and kick panels to access wiring. After this I then had to run a 30A circuit to each seat location from the under-hood fuse block to power the seats. Here are the power cables and the TORFAB brackets installed loosely.
Ham radio wiring passenger side "before":
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After adding power for seat. The Toyota part number for the floor hole plugs where the rear heater coolant lines were is 90950-01011. You will need 4 and they are about $3.50 each, or were at the nearest Toyota parts dept.:
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Driver's side after power and amp relocate:
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So now the seats were ready to go in.
 
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With the help of my son (the new seats are about twice as heavy as the stock seats since they are power), we placed each seat in the cruiser, tilted them back and plugged in the power connectors, then wiggled and tugged until we got all the bolts in finger tight, then gave them a good tightening.
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Finally I re-wired the power amp under the rear seat,, because we need tunes on every voyage, then cleaned up and replaced all the trim.

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Time for a cruise!

Hopped in and adjusted the seat, and went for a drive around the area. Oh man, what a difference! It felt like a new cruiser! I swear everything felt and ran better, or maybe it was the seats, but I had a big satisfied grin on my face! I am considering some Wet Okole seat covers and will probably order some, because the BMW leather is a little slick for trail boogie action, and I want to preserve them as they really are a cherry pair of seats to be as old as they are.

I also want to thank Adam at TORFAB who patiently answered all my questions, but I had no problems with his brackets and the seats went right in with very little difficulty.

I did initially look for manual seats, but these are actually hard to find, and all that I did find were beat and saggy. Your best bet is 2001-2005 E46 seats IMO. The power adjustments work fine, but the mem recall does not, since that requires a BMW CPU connected to work. I am also a Bimmer fan, one of my other vehicles is a BMW 330i w/ZHP performance package, for more spirited driving alternative to the FJ60.

:flipoff2: :beer: :cheers: :banana::banana:

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Very classy installation, well documented. Great job!
 
I have my seats and brackets from torfab just need to find the time to complete the install, great write up and excellent pics!!!
Thanks!!!
 
Seats look great. Nice work finding the low bolster seats in that good of condition for that price.

Its almost like a brand new truck with those seats in there.
 
Great write up and installation pics @jawjatek. The e46 seats on the Torfab brackets are without a doubt the best single comfort improvement you can make to a 60 IMHO. Absolutely love mine. Enjoy!

If you are interested in hooking up the heated elements, PM me and I'll give you a quick run down. I used a dual zone heatroller (heated motorcycle clothing) set up for mine and it works like a charm.

Oh, and nice find on the seats. They're getting hard to find in that condition.:cool:
 
good notes....I too grew tired of the old OEM seats...BMW seats vast improvement. Money well spent.
 
so you have to loose the heater under the passenger seat?
 
I installed manual BMW seats in my 60, with my own brackets and did not have to do any heater mods.
 
so you have to loose the heater under the passenger seat?

If you use the Torfab brackets the heater has to be removed, or relocated to the FJ62 location under the center console. Hope that helps.
 
I am adding on to Jawjateks post because he was nice enough to send me his extra hardware for my seat swap and answer some of my questions. I got my brackets from Adam and Tor last week and got my seats in this weekend. WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! This really is the best upgrade I have done so far.

For you taller 60/62 owners I am 6'4" and was cramped with the original seats. With Torfabs brackets I am comfortable and don't have the seats adjusted as far back as they are capable of going (2003 325I seats). So, these may be the answer for my fellow owners who are taller and feel cramped).

P.S. I just plumbed into the rear heater 12v (as suggested by Adam) and as long as you adjust one seat at a time you are unlikely to blow the fuse.
 
All of you "late model" 60 owners suck! We don't get the good seat option, or headlight washers.:bang:
 
Fantastic

just got my brackets from Adam in the past couple of week
and am passively looking for seats while I finish the major rebuild mods already in flight

thanks for a great post and I will be saving this link

dougbert
 
oh my heavens!

After posting here previously I went and did a ebay scan for said seats and came across a pair of E46 for 3xx currently forsale BUY NOW condition

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-LEATHER...GON-/171808170044?hash=item280090a03c&vxp=mtr

$225 + $100 shipping - wow

attached a pic for when the ebay link goes stale

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the cruiser gods blessed me to read your post and go a looking

dougbert - smiling today for sure
 
Thanks for the helpful pics jawjatek. Got the brackets and picked up a nice pair of grey seats today. Going to be a fun weekend project!
 
should take no time to get them in...you'll love it.
 

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