Another Carrier Built

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Well like many of you out there the factory tire carrier can no longer handle the job properly. Mine gave up the ghost years ago when the 33-12.5x15 Winston Fun and Muds caused the body to crack at the upper mount. I then upgraded to an aftermarket version that would also carry one gas can on either side of the center mounted tire. It had larger mounting plates and lasted for a number of years before it too began to fail by cracking its' mounting plates.

So I began to search for a better replacement. It wasn't long until I learned of the expensive nature of any that would fit my needs but also fell short of what I wanted. In the end I decided to build my own rather than having to do without or compromise what I wanted.

First it was coming up with a plan and dimensioned drawings. An inexpensive piece of CAD software on the computer was great for my purposes. I wanted to measure two or three times before cutting so I didn't have to do this all over again if it fell short of my goals. My goals were for a dual swing setup with the tire on the drivers side and a gas can/cooler carrier on the passenger side. I wanted to maintain the factory look as much as possible. I also didn't want to break the bank in the process.

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With regard to not breaking the bank, I used 1" fine thread Grade 8 bolts for the pivots instead of the more common trailer axle or purpose built pivots with bearings. This also allowed for a more compact piece. I was also shopping the remnants stock of one of the local metal yards as the material I needed would cost less. Because of this I ended up with two equal length pieces of 2"x4" -3/16" wall rectangular tubing for the base instead of a single piece of the desired length. In a lot of ways it made building things a little easier because I didn't have to support a single piece the whole length of the rear, only half. It also made installing all the mounting bolt shims/internal spacers much easier, especially where the center receiver hitch mounting bolts passed through. However, it did complicate keeping things straight as far as which piece was for which side and which side was supposed to face the back.

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I did make an adjustment to my plans part way through the build when I switched to 1/4" wall 2"x2" square tubing for the swings instead of the 3/16" tubing I originally purchased. I felt the added thickness would enhance the rigidity better. Speaking of the swing-out arms, most builds I had seen simply butted up the ends with some form of clamp to hold them in place. I decided to use a six inch length of outside receiver hitch tubing to lock both arms together in the middle. In an effort to gain a little more support on each arm I cut the ends at a 45 degree angle where they met to net me 4" of coverage on each arm instead of only 3". To secure the outer sleeve I used an adjustable T-Track clamp from Rockler Woodworking. One of the unique features of this clamp is that once you adjust the clamp tension it keeps the same tension no matter the thickness of the object that is being held or clamped.

On the gas can/cooler side I had noticed that most manufactures offered one size for X number of gas cans or one size for X brand cooler. This seemed to mean that you had to decide which you wanted most and then compromise on the other because of your first choice. In my effort to avoid this I came up with a size that would carry four 5 gallon G.I./Blitz cans. That means that I could carry over 20 gallons of fuel or any combination of fuel and water in that 4 can space. It is a hell of a lot cheaper than the price of the 21 gallon rear tank. The other benefit is that I can carry a Yeti 45, which seemed to be the preferred cooler, as it has a slightly smaller footprint. The height of the basket was also perfect and allowed the use of the factory license plate bracket and light after fabricating a top support that mimicked piece on the factory tail gate.

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I used thick wall DOM tubing 1/2" longer than the square and rectangular tubing it was passing through for the pivots, 1/4" overhang on each side. I also cut spacers from DOM tubing for all the mounting bolts to prevent crushing in the tubing walls by the bolts. The tricky part was keeping them in place until it was time for the final assembly. I tried swagging them in place but it wouldn't hold all of them. The simplest was keeping a bolt in the hole and spacer. I also build support pucks for the swing arms to support the extended end of the arms. They also acted as stops for the outer locking sleeve to limit its' travel when either opened or closed. The clamp was used to keep it from accidentally slipping off when in the open position.

It took longer than most builds I suspect because I kept fighting with myself on the direction I wanted to go but I think the results are worth it. I still have a little work left as I want to fabricate a better security solution for the gas cans or cooler than a simple ratchet strap. But the important thing right now is that I have a usable tire/gas can/cooler carrier.

Lighting was handled by a pair of HF 4" LED submersible brake/running/turn signal lights mounted in a rubber 4" pipe cap from Home Depot mounted on the factory bracket. Instead of using the factory reflectors I simply used a set of 3" stick-on reflectors also from HF.

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I almost forgot. The L-bracket trailer ball mount that has served me well for all these many years was also upgraded. I built a 2" receiver hitch similar to one on eBay. Mine however has a second 3/8" plate on the back side of the tube for added support. It sandwiches the 2"x4" tubing and ties the two main beam pieces together and uses the original mounting holes in the rear frame cross-member.

One of the best parts about all this is there is not going to be any more body damage caused by the tire carrier.
 
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Nice work. Are you concerned with departure angles? Your can carrier looks a little low.

For reference, here's the height of the 4Plus tire carrier.

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Looks great! Fantastic work!

Thanks!


Nice work. Are you concerned with departure angles? Your can carrier looks a little low.

For reference, here's the height of the 4Plus tire carrier. . . .

For the majority of wheeling I do I don't expect to run into any problems with the height of the bottom of the can carrier. I actually went out and measured the back edge and it is 29-1/2" off the ground. I then checked the angle from the rear tire to the back edge and got 35 degrees, which is also the same for the drivers side. Coincidentally, that is the same angle to the bottom edge of my factory bumpers.

As I get older I also realize that lifting things also presents more of a problem. With the top edge of the basket being 42" above the ground I may need a stool of some sort to get a fully loaded ice chest into it. :) Your rig will definitely clear more obstacles but I may not be able to get it loaded. :D
 
Looks nice. Any more detailed pics?
 
Here is a little more info and photos.

I set up the pivot point to match the factory locations. This provided the necessary clearance to get the rear doors open without going further out and putting more stress on the lower beam.

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Also because the lower beam was longer than the rear frame rail I added additional bracing to help prevent the end from torquing. It cleared the opening in the rear of the body and used an existing set of holes already in the frame. In the photo you can see the zerk fitting I put in the top pivot arm bolt support. There is also one in the lower support as well.

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The pieces used for the adjustment section are also 6" sections of outer receiver hitch tubing already cut to length by the metal supply house. As for the tire carrier adjust, here is how I solved that problem.

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I threaded a hole in the upright and installed a 7/16" stainless set screw for a stud, locked on the inside with a nut. Once in position a lock nut on the outside holds it in place. I also drilled and tapped a hole at the opposite end and side of the slide piece tub for an addition tension bolt.

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The tire mounting plate was drilled and tapped for the mounting studs. To make getting the tire on and off easier the bracket is set to height were the tire actually sits on the bumper and simply slides over the studs. This way you don't have to use a lot of strength to hold the tire in place when taking it off or when putting it on. By resting the tire on the bumper it also takes some stress of the swing arm pivot bolt as well as reduce movement.
 
How sure are you of the welding? Some, especially the weld shown in the last photo at top of he tire carrier upright, look cold - not adequately penetrating. You sure don't need that tire's weight and leverage breaking anything loose.
 
How sure are you of the welding? Some, especially the weld shown in the last photo at top of he tire carrier upright, look cold - not adequately penetrating. You sure don't need that tire's weight and leverage breaking anything loose.

Let me start by saying I'm not a professional welder by any stretch of imagination, just a hobbyist trying to do the best I can. I've tested some of my welds in the past and was satisfied that they held. I've also had some that didn't or were weak. Because of my inexperience, instead of using short runs or lengths of weld to hold parts together, I will run with 360 degrees of coverage where possible. My thought is that if I have an area that doesn't get full penetration/hold I will still have enough good weld to keep things together. Here is an example:

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Near the top left end of the gas can bracket the weld is porous. Although I didn't like it, the weld to the right looked good to me. I could grind out the bad weld and re-do it.

Back to the tire carrier, not being 100% confident with my welds is another reason I have the tire resting on the bumper. Therefore, the bumper is actually carrying the weight of the tire while the swing-out is simply holding it in place. I know it will be getting stress when things get rough but it will surely have less stress on it than carriers that are carrying 100% of the tire weight without any additional support.

I plan on keeping an eye on critical points.
 
Sounds like you've given it thought and that's often enough - to be aware of potential problems. Having the bolt backup will definitely improve the odds in your favor.

I think it's fair to say that most of us in here are amateur welders. Within that it's less about how it looks than how it holds. A lot of weld jobs that we learn on though aren't about things that could have such a catastrophic potential as a big tire with heavy metal attached coming loose to bounce somewhere behind - possibly even into the windshield of a car behind making a bad day for them and a real liability issue for you if someone sues over it.

Maybe when it's all done you could take it to a trailer place or somewhere to let them tell you what they think?
 
Honk, I appreciate your concerns and feedback. I may have misstated the part about "not being 100% confident in my welds". What I meant was is that I know they may not be as strong as a professional welder would have laid down but I am 100% confident that they will hold or I wouldn't drive with this on the street. The last thing I would ever do is endanger anyone else, on the road or on the trail.

Because I'm a self taught welder I chose equipment that I felt would help me in producing the best welds possible. I bought a Miller Multimatic 200. I know I still need to do my part but by simply making selections like wire diameter and material thickness I didn't have to worry about using the wrong amperage setting or wire feed speed. I could also tell early on that using 110 voltage as the source of power was fine for thinner materials but was not going to cut it for heavier welds used on this project so I ran it on 220 volts to ensure the deeper penetration. I also waited on doing this build until I had a little more practice because I knew others could get hurt if my welds were weak.

Not wanting to build anything with a weak link is why my receiver hitch looks like this.

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The block in the middle represents the 2"x4" tubing it slides over. I used two 3/8" thick plates bent at 30 degrees to provide optimum support for the space I had to work with. Most manufactures I looked at only used a single 1/4" or 3/8" thick plate providing support only at the rear or along the top of the receiver tube. I felt that the plate closest to the front of the vehicle would provide additional lateral support to prevent twisting. Not probably a problem if you only pull a trailer with it but using it as an extraction point or to pull out another vehicle is a different story. One of the things I learned when welding this up was next time add a little spacer shim where it would slide over the channel as the welding collapsed the space between the plates ever so slightly. This created a very tight press fit, as in the need for a big rubber mallet to get it over the tube. Once done I was happy with the results.

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Hi all,

Byron, That is a great little detail you added in the adjustable spare tire offset! :beer:

Regards,

Alan



Here is a little more info and photos.

I set up the pivot point to match the factory locations. This provided the necessary clearance to get the rear doors open without going further out and putting more stress on the lower beam.

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Also because the lower beam was longer than the rear frame rail I added additional bracing to help prevent the end from torquing. It cleared the opening in the rear of the body and used an existing set of holes already in the frame. In the photo you can see the zerk fitting I put in the top pivot arm bolt support. There is also one in the lower support as well.

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The pieces used for the adjustment section are also 6" sections of outer receiver hitch tubing already cut to length by the metal supply house. As for the tire carrier adjust, here is how I solved that problem.

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I threaded a hole in the upright and installed a 7/16" stainless set screw for a stud, locked on the inside with a nut. Once in position a lock nut on the outside holds it in place. I also drilled and tapped a hole at the opposite end and side of the slide piece tub for an addition tension bolt.

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The tire mounting plate was drilled and tapped for the mounting studs. To make getting the tire on and off easier the bracket is set to height were the tire actually sits on the bumper and simply slides over the studs. This way you don't have to use a lot of strength to hold the tire in place when taking it off or when putting it on. By resting the tire on the bumper it also takes some stress of the swing arm pivot bolt as well as reduce movement.
 
Just a tip - most of the preset charts on mig welders err to the high side on wire speed , I'd back it down just a bit . Testing weld patterns isn't hard - just cut and polish across a weld and etch the steel with a metal etching solution from the hardware store . Parts like that hitch would only cost about 10 bucks for a local pro to weld it up once you have it all fitted , btw .
I hate mig welders for one reason - newbies buy them and can make pretty beads - that have no mechanical strength and can easily fracture . Most failures I've seen are from 110v units being used to build bumpers , pull points , hitches , and tire carriers . No offense , but that stuff should be welded by a pro .

Sarge
 
Here is a little more detail on what keeps the swing-outs in place.

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The Rockler clamp is adjustable from 5 to 250 lbs. of clamping force. The screw you see in the opening is the tension adjusting screw which I Loctited in place once set to the pressure I wanted. Instead of a T-bolt in a sliding track to mount the clamp, I drilled and tapped a hole for a stud to mount it. The circular pressure foot is 1" in diameter. The pressure foot is positioned over where the ends of the swing arms meet to put pressure on both arms at the same time. The slide tube limits the movement of the swing arms in every direction and the clamp holds the tube in place.


Here is what I did to keep the Yeti 45 from moving in the basket.

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I tapped the 4 holes that lined up with the outside hole in the cooler feet. Because the material is only 1/8" thick I also welded a nut on the bottom side for more support of the 3/8" bolts. The rubber hose is some 3/8" fuel line I had laying around. I cut it to the depth of the hole in the footpads and they had a light press fit over the bolts. When the gas cans are being carried the rubber hose pieces are placed in the cooler pads and the bolts are reversed and screwed in and the raised floors of the cans clear the heads of the bolts.

(Corrected bolt size from 7/16" to the correct 3/8".)
 
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Hi all,

Byron, That is a great little detail you added in the adjustable spare tire offset! :beer:

Regards,

Alan

Thanks! I wanted to have the option to move the tire in or out as well as up or down since not all tires are the exact size.
 
Well I came up with an effective low tech way to secure any gas/water cans.

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I picked up a 6' coated security cable and a pair or 1-1/2" reach Master locks. The cable threaded nicely through the handles.

Over the weekend I had the chance to take it out and I can honestly say that the absence of tire carrier rattle against the body was so welcome. The setup is ROCK SOLID!
 

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