4 banger LC, thoughts? (1 Viewer)

[Hiluxforever]

I know that.

I was throwing shade at the "but mah V8!" crowd.

IMO, when Land Cruisers became overweight whales full of gold plated soccer mom garbage, they quit being real Land Cruisers, and I have low tolerance for whining about going back to a more austere package.

I think you nailed it. Same reason I used to ignore anyone in a LC 60 or newer when wheeling in my mini-trucks. They thought they were so fancy. If I want someone to talk down to me I'll go visit family.

 

[Trollhole]

I haven't looked at the engine but if they are using the plug-in hybrid system from the RAV4 Prime then great. It's a fantastic and responsive power plant. If it is literally anything else it'll be garbage to live with. HP and TQ are just numbers, let's check the real world performance. Turbo lag is real problem.

No substitute for a V8 unless it's some sort of PHEV or BEV.

The turbo will lag but that is what the hybrid parts are for. It will instantly kick in until the turbo has spooled up.

 

[120mm]

I have a real Land Cruiser with a real V8. Real Land Cruisers should be painfully slow - almost dangerously slow. Real Land Cruisers should get 10-14 mpg and have a range under 250 miles. Wait... that's starting to not sound so great.

I'll take a 326/465 4cyl with an 8-speed over my 276/332 V8 with a 5-speed any day. Remember - this is a TOYOTA drivetrain.

Also, this talk about "watered down", "not flagship" - come on. The 2024 Land Cruiser is more in line with what the Land Cruiser was supposed to be. Do you think the FJ40 should've morphed into a $100,000 massive luxury truck - to compete with the Escalade? Toyota should've done this years ago. I mean for *#$^ sake - they have Lexus. That's where the Escalade competitor should be - the LX600. It was dumb to have the 200 series and the LX - they were competing with themselves.

Best comment ever.

 

[76lcmike]

will the aussie's get a 255???

 

[M1911]

It's not about just numbers it's real world feel and performance. V8 has more than enough torque. I put my truck in 2nd gear start towing my boat and it feels like nothing's back there. Not to mention, the sounds and feel you get from a V8.

The turbo 4 will have higher torque than the V8 and that torque will be available at lower RPMs (because the electric motor provides full torque at 0 RPM). All of that while getting 50% or more better fuel economy.

While I like the V8 sound, I certainly don't like the 5.7's horrifically bad fuel economy. I'm certainly not going to get on a waiting list to trade in my 200 on an LC250, but a few years down the road when it has proved itself I just might get one.

 

[M1911]

NA V8 power is also instant.

No, it isn't. You have to build RPMs to get power. The peak torque for the 5.7l doesn't occur until around 2400 rpm. In contrast, the peak torque for an electric motor is at 0 rpm.

 

[M1911]

The turbo will lag but that is what the hybrid parts are for. It will instantly kick in until the turbo has spooled up.

Exactly. The electric motor fills in the torque right off the line. By the time the electric motor is running out of steam, the turbo is spooled up.

 

[MrX]

Those of us with real Land Cruisers view V8s as douchebag detectors. I6 or you like being rammed by men from behind.

Wow, get serious help. What is better than a huge V8 for s***kicker truck????? Minus what the President and the tv says.

I know that.

I was throwing shade at the "but mah V8!" crowd.

IMO, when Land Cruisers became overweight whales full of gold plated soccer mom garbage, they quit being real Land Cruisers, and I have low tolerance for whining about going back to a more austere package.

Your opinion duly noted, but this is your opinion. Believe it or not, others get to have opinions too.

If we could get the plain 4cyl I might actually get one of these as I know the profound reliability of that motor. But no way am I going to be in the freshman class on this buggy.

So it's not just me that's weary of this new powertrain. Reliability, yes... but in every other way that 2.4L is a gutless, god-awful motor.

The turbo 4 will have higher torque than the V8 and that torque will be available at lower RPMs (because the electric motor provides full torque at 0 RPM). All of that while getting 50% or more better fuel economy.

While I like the V8 sound, I certainly don't like the 5.7's horrifically bad fuel economy. I'm certainly not going to get on a waiting list to trade in my 200 on an LC250, but a few years down the road when it has proved itself I just might get one.

Again, it's not just about numbers. Let's see how it works out in the real world towing all kinds of stuff and being exposed to all the harshness that LCs are known to conquer.

The turbo 4 will have higher torque than the V8 and that torque will be available at lower RPMs (because the electric motor provides full torque at 0 RPM). All of that while getting 50% or more better fuel economy.

While I like the V8 sound, I certainly don't like the 5.7's horrifically bad fuel economy. I'm certainly not going to get on a waiting list to trade in my 200 on an LC250, but a few years down the road when it has proved itself I just might get one.

Don't ever get rid of your 200. The reason this LC250 has a garbage engine is.... for fuel economy and nothing else. Just imagine what this would have if Uncle Sam didn't ruin ICE engines.

I will gladly pay the gas bill for the 5.7, it's a glorious truck motor and very strong V8. And it won't ever break.

And you took what I said the wrong way. A huge 5.7 NA V8 responds instantly to throttle with torque just from simple displacement and the huge pistons. There's no waiting like with a boosted engine. I'd much rather have that provide the power, simple displacement, than some BS electric motor, or turbo for that matter.

The new Land Cruiser has an engine ripped from the Grand Highlander. That is nothing to be excited or happy about. It's going to sound and feel like a large Prius. Those of you with 200s, put your foot down liberally next drive and ask yourself if you'd really rather have something else providing the power.

 

[Hiluxforever]

Still psyched about a 4 banger. My previous twin scroll turbo had way better low end torque than my 460. Supplemented with a hybrid motor it will be great for ultra smooth starts and letting the tires gently slip until they find traction.

At the end of the day function is way more important to me than the sound something makes. I want functional, not performative.

I don't need it to cos play being a truck.

 

[MrX]

Toyota was making the most reliable 4 bangers in the world before it ever built a V8.

Of course they were, nobody is disputing that.

Their V8s are equally robust. 4cylinders are just unpleasant engines, it is what it is.

 

[Pura Vida]

If you think the engine is gonna be unreliable because of a turbo 4 and a hybrid system, you need a history lesson

 

[MrX]

If you think the engine is gonna be unreliable because of a turbo 4 and a hybrid system, you need a history lesson

My main complaint isn't reliability, it's just the fact that this is the engine choice. One option, and it's not a desirable one.

That said, it won't be asteroid-proof-reliable like the 5.7.

 

[malba2366]

The hybrid will probably perform very well in the LC250. The battery replacement costs should be quite reasonable with a robust aftermarket by the time anyone will need one (10 years/150k miles) as these 1.87 kwh batteries are going to be in over 250k vehicles a year. The only big problem that remains is the horrible sounds that come from most turbocharged 4 cylinder engines...expecially relatively high displacement ones.

 

[M1911]

And you took what I said the wrong way. A huge 5.7 NA V8 responds instantly to throttle with torque just from simple displacement and the huge pistons. There's no waiting like with a boosted engine. I'd much rather have that provide the power, simple displacement, than some BS electric motor, or turbo for that matter.

I disagree with you. You have to build RPMs to get peak torque in a naturally aspirated engine. So you don't get peak torque right away. Yes, the power may feel more linear than on a turbo-charged engine and you don't have turbo lag. But an electric motor isn't "BS". Electric motors give you all of the torque right away at 0 RPM -- no waiting for revs to build. That's why they are such a good match for a turbo-charged engine, because the electric motor fills in the torque at low rpm while the turbo is spooling up.

My wife had 2012 Mercedes C300 with the 3.0l V6 engine. That was a lovely engine, very smooth and built power nicely. I was a bit bummed when her replacement 2020 C300 came with a turbo-4. But after driving it a number of times, I have to say that the turbo-4 is the better engine. It has more torque down low than V6 it replaced. It is faster and gets better fuel economy. Yes, the NVH isn't as good at high RPM, but I rarely have to use high RPM as it simply has so much more power than the old V6.

So as much as I like naturally aspirated V8s, I won't count out the turbo-4 hybrid until I actually drive it.

The new Land Cruiser has an engine ripped from the Grand Highlander. That is nothing to be excited or happy about. It's going to sound and feel like a large Prius.

No, it won't feel like a Prius as it is a fundamentally different system. The Prius has a planetary gear system with both the engine and the electric motor driving the planetary gear. I don't believe it is exactly a CVT but it behaves like one.

In contrast, the 2.4l turbo hybrid has a conventional 8-speed automatic transmission with the electric motor sandwiched between the engine and the transmission. So it should feel like a conventional drivetrain.

 

[M1911]

My main complaint isn't reliability, it's just the fact that this is the engine choice. One option, and it's not a desirable one.

That said, it won't be asteroid-proof-reliable like the 5.7.

The 5.7 has its issues. The radiator leak, the intake valley coolant leak, the air injection pump, etc. It's not a perfect engine. Is it a good engine? Yes. But perfect? No.

 

[120mm]

Wow, get serious help. What is better than a huge V8 for s***kicker truck????? Minus what the President and the tv says.

If you want a sh*tkicker truck, get one. There are plenty out there. Land Cruiser has never been a sh*tkicker truck. Big engines and horsepower are simply unnecessary unless you don't know how to drive off road.

4cylinders are just unpleasant engines, it is what it is.

The voice of ignorance, right there.

 

[jdam]

The power argument for an LC not being a real LC is weird because... have you driven a 3F powered 80 with any amount of things in it? lol.

 

[Hiluxforever]

The power argument for an LC not being a real LC is weird because... have you driven a 3F powered 80 with any amount of things in it? lol.

I remember driving a 60 series and thinking about going 65 mph and Sam Neill pops in my head saying that's possible, but not recommended.

My 83 pickup did 80 mph once, going down an 8% grade.

 

[flx]

(don't mind the temp gauge, wan't working properly)

 

[Hiluxforever]

(don't mind the temp gauge, wan't working properly)

Lol