4 banger LC, thoughts? (2 Viewers)

[MrX]

If you want a sh*tkicker truck, get one. There are plenty out there. Land Cruiser has never been a sh*tkicker truck. Big engines and horsepower are simply unnecessary unless you don't know how to drive off road

My LX570 absolutely is a s***kicker truck, the way I have fun with it and for all I use it for. Who says you get to define what a LC is?

Big engines and horsepower actually ARE necessary because I don't want a slow vehicle, and I like towing my boat all around and barely noticing it's back there because of the strong, huge V8.

The voice of ignorance, right there.

I said a 4 cylinder engine is unpleasant aside from some long gone Honda engines which still sounded bad. I'd love to hear your counter. They buzz and vibrate and just don't sound or feel good. Please give me some good reasons other that fuel economy as to what makes this new junk ideal over a proper V8. Also you might not want to call people ignorant when you snap at them and say "you must get pounded in the rear" or whatever TF you said just because I don't agree with you.

 

[Rednexus]

My LX570 absolutely is a s***kicker truck, the way I have fun with it and for all I use it for. Who says you get to define what a LC is?

Big engines and horsepower actually ARE necessary because I don't want a slow vehicle, and I like towing my boat all around and barely noticing it's back there because of the strong, huge V8.

I said a 4 cylinder engine is unpleasant aside from some long gone Honda engines which still sounded bad. I'd love to hear your counter. They buzz and vibrate and just don't sound or feel good. Please give me some good reasons other that fuel economy as to what makes this new junk ideal over a proper V8. Also you might not want to call people ignorant when you snap at them and say "you must get pounded in the rear" or whatever TF you said just because I don't agree with you.

Agreed. I have zero......and I mean zero....interest in driving something slow like a NA 1GR 4Runner or an old LC as a daily/do-everything rig. Slow rigs suck on the road and suck for towing and just plain aren't fun. For rock-crawling, yes slow, low-HP, 4-banger rigs are totally fine, but most of us use our rigs for everything. A V8 rig gives you something that can tow, haul, cruise down the interstate all day at 80+ mph, pass on a 2-lane road, and is fun to drive. It's another reason I'm in a GX470 and not something like an 80 series. I'd love a 200 series with a 3UR and a supercharger.

 

[S.CarolinaFZJ80]

Wow! I just read through this whole thread and I'll never get that time back.

Everyone please crack a beer and go work on or drive your Landcruisers, regardless of the number of cylinders.

 

[MrTorgue]

Note to self, stay the hell out of the GX550 / 250 forum. So much toxicity. It's turning in to a juvenile tantrum forum with all the this vs that bull****.

All I'll add is let's get some years and hard use outta these new smaller power plants. In 3~5 years we'll see what's what.

That said, it won't be asteroid-proof-reliable like the 5.7.

Or 4.6.

 

[Phillyd2]

Agreed. I have zero......and I mean zero....interest in driving something slow like a NA 1GR 4Runner or an old LC as a daily/do-everything rig. Slow rigs suck on the road and suck for towing and just plain aren't fun. For rock-crawling, yes slow, low-HP, 4-banger rigs are totally fine, but most of us use our rigs for everything. A V8 rig gives you something that can tow, haul, cruise down the interstate all day at 80+ mph, pass on a 2-lane road, and is fun to drive. It's another reason I'm in a GX470 and not something like an 80 series. I'd love a 200 series with a 3UR and a supercharger.

I wouldn't use my 4R or F250 as a daily driver but how fast are you needing to go?

 

[M1911]

I said a 4 cylinder engine is unpleasant aside from some long gone Honda engines which still sounded bad. I'd love to hear your counter. They buzz and vibrate and just don't sound or feel good.

My ‘87 Acura Integra had a 1.6l 4-cylinder. Made around 110 hp. That was a little jewel of an engine. It didn’t buzz or vibrate. I quite enjoyed the sound. It wasn’t fast by modern standards but gosh I loved running that little motor through the gears. It was lovely.

So I disagree with you that all 4-cylinder engines are unpleasant. Maybe all the engines you’ve experienced have been unpleasant, but I think you’ve missed some gems.

 

[Hiluxforever]

My ‘87 Acura Integra had a 1.6l 4-cylinder. Made around 110 hp. That was a little jewel of an engine. It didn’t buzz or vibrate. I quite enjoyed the sound. It wasn’t fast by modern standards but gosh I loved running that little motor through the gears. It was lovely.

My mom had an 86 RS. First car I remember being pushed back into my seat. Fun little car with a stick shift.

 

[M1911]

My mom had an 86 RS. First car I remember being pushed back into my seat. Fun little car with a stick shift.

Your mom had good taste.

 

[Hiluxforever]

Your mom had good taste.

Had a Legend stick shift and drove two 3rd gen 4Runners for 16 years after I diverted her from getting a CRV

 

[2021 LC200]

What happens when the batteries die like in all those cheap Prius’ on Craigslist? Do you replace them all and at what cost? I’m not opposed, it’s the way of the world but hyrbid doesn’t seem on first glance compatible with the rigors of a water crossing and after those batteries have ratted down 5K miles of dirt roads. And what happens to the torque once the batteries can’t deliver power anymore? Do you end up with a 5500lb vehicle with a turbo I4?

I was suprised that it tows less than the 460 or 550 even with 50% more torque. Anyone know why? 550 tows 8K with the trail package I think? Maybe higher trim LC’s will have higher tow specs as well

Totally agree with you a Hybrid is scary in rough conditions or for water crossings. Why the 300 series is not a hybrid or its Lexus brother.

Do not think it has 50% more power or torque, that seems odd. The towing capability is more driven by what the I4 turbo can do because the hydrid battery and electro motor run out of juice as you tow at highway speeds and even more so on 5 to 8% inclines as all engine power is consumed to keep moving and none is left to maintain the hybrid battery.

The GX550 has the LC300 and LX600 engine which is capable.

 

[stonepa]

Disgraceful. The last LC had a V8 that was coveted and many wish frankly were still around.

Brand new LC with a Grand Hylander engine, how exciting. It will sound and feel terrible.

But all the treehuggers and Uncle Sam will be happy.

And the rest of the world as well.

 

[stonepa]

Simple fix to all these complaints - just keep your 200 and drive it till the end of its duty cycle. If you think the 200 is perfect, why even look at the new 250? Why be upset by something you clearly don’t need given you have the perfect vehicle?

I for one intend to get another 12 years out my 200. May then buy a used 2021 to replace it.

 

[carboncycles]

Man some of these posts scream luddite with a healthy dose of "get off my lawn".

 

[stonepa]

I guess I'll step in it. Having worked on every part of my 62, and 80 series, I don't think this deserves the LC title. It looks great but the LC was made to last and made to be worked on, stripped down rebuilt and keep going. I know things are going hybrid, but water intrusion is real, especially in Australia, Central and South America and Africa, (Prado). but as a mechanic I don't think this is going to last. Will it sell a gazillion? heck yea it will. but just like everything else in the world, its watered down and called better. Ill stick w my old cars I guess. they go w my grey hair anyway.

One thing to remember. The 200 is no FJ60 either. Not even close. Simple water intrusion in the cabin causes all kinds of disasters as we see every day on the 200 forum. The 60? I broke through the ice on a frozen river road I was driving in Alaska. Dropped the truck into 4 feet of cold water. Took a week to get it out, then another few days to melt and drain the water in the cabin that froze while getting towed to a heated shop. Once it thawed out, changed the fluids, checked the cylinders for water, and it fired right up. Still driving it 30 years later. My US spec 200 would have been DOA.

 

[stonepa]

Interesting how the 200 series with a big V8 is the "real Land Cruiser". I doubt people were saying that when the 200 was revealed. With a sticker price of $68,575 ($99,100 in 2023 dollars) for the 2008 Land Cruiser, and soccer mom good looks, I doubt people were singing praise for it. Someone's gotta dig up threads from then and see how many people were belly aching about "not a real Land Cruiser" in 2007.

(I love my 200, but it's not a hill I'm going to die on, times change)

I was there. They said the same thing with the new 80, 100, and 200. Probably said the same thing with the 60 since the 55 was just about perfect.

 

[Thed351W]

People are going to be pleasantly surprised with how well this thing will move around. Turbo 4s are getting pretty dialed-in at this point. Throw an electric motor and a few more gears in the transmission and most people will be more than pleased.

We all wish we could have had a V8. They sound great, run smooth, and have bulletproof reliability. However with emissions standards being what they are, the V8 is dead outside of pickups and sports cars (even sports cars are slim pickings now). It's tragic, but a fact of life. It's all due to CAFE standards. With the footprint of the LC getting smaller, there would've been no way that they could have sold this or the T4R in large numbers with a V6 or V8. The latest proposal is supposed to be a fleet average of 58 MPG by MY2032. Now the formulas for figuring all of this crap out are complicated and the testing methodology is different as to how we get our EPA estimates that we see on the window sticker, but you can at least get an idea of where it's going. Long story short, it's getting to be about that time where every automaker is throwing every trick in the book to increase efficiency. Low-flow oil systems, hybridization, reducing cylinder count, and so many gears in a trans you think you have a CVT are going to be the norm for ICE vehicles until full-scale electrification is pushed (or adopted).

Passenger Car Standards:

Link to Passenger Car Standards
Link to Latest EPA Proposal

 

[MrX]

My ‘87 Acura Integra had a 1.6l 4-cylinder. Made around 110 hp. That was a little jewel of an engine. It didn’t buzz or vibrate. I quite enjoyed the sound. It wasn’t fast by modern standards but gosh I loved running that little motor through the gears. It was lovely.

Go back and re-read my post, I specifically said "except long gone Hondas", lol.

And of course this god-awful powertrain is bc of emissions. Just imagine the beast under the hood of this, and the 300 for that matter if not for bull**** emission CAFE standards. 300 would have a fire-breathing V8.

This is exactly why I picked up a '22 Denali, nothing but 6.2 liters of displacement tried and true. The only tree hugging crap it has is auto-stop, which is defeatable by a simple physical button. Not ruined yet, for all I know in a couple years they'll add some awful hybrid assist.

 

[stonepa]

Go back and re-read my post, I specifically said "except long gone Hondas", lol.

And of course this god-awful powertrain is bc of emissions. Just imagine the beast under the hood of this, and the 300 for that matter if not for bulls*** emission CAFE standards. 300 would have a fire-breathing V8.

This is exactly why I picked up a '22 Denali, nothing but 6.2 liters of displacement tried and true. The only tree hugging crap it has is auto-stop, which is defeatable by a simple physical button. Not ruined yet, for all I know in a couple years they'll add some awful hybrid assist.

Doubt very much it would continue to have a V8 given almost all of the 300s market is somewhere else. Fuel consumption, whether cost, emissions, or something else, are driving manufacturers away from V8s.

 

[carboncycles]

I wish ppl would stop blaming the car makers about shifting from large displacement engines to the more ecoboxes.

Much of this is driven by administrative changes both domestic and international. Also, driven by all parties..it's a choice that many citizens have deemed important enough to allow their representatives to push these standards to help reduce dependence on fossil fuels and explore alternative energy policies.

If you want to point a finger, point it at the he/she/it/they/them/furry/what-the-f-ever...also make sure to include yourself.

And w/ that said, I'm gonna go sit in the corner and eat my crayons...

 

[M1911]

And w/ that said, I'm gonna go sit in the corner and eat my crayons...

I didn’t realize you were a Marine.