I am not...I have worked with many folks in the services. They have my utmost respect...I also think Marines are some of the craziest ppl I have met!I didn’t realize you were a Marine.
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100% true. And most of this policy is dictated by regulatory agencies via the rulemaking process which are several layers removed from any kind of accountability. I work in the environmental industry and am watching the current administration try very hard to get some very bad environmental regulations on the book prior to the next election cycle. Once they are on the books, we're stuck with them for years. Some of them are not even physically possible to comply with, or are counteractive to other regulations (ex: de-facto mandating of EVs and hybrids while putting up roadblocks to new mines required to obtain battery metals). Or mandating that coal-fired power plants get shut down, while at the same time increasing the demand on the grid due to EVs.
None of it is connected to sound environmental policy, science, or any kind of holistic view of the future. It's all political and our country has a horrible environmental and energy policy.
Toyota wouldn't have canceled V8 development if it weren't for CAFE. And yes, the 300 would have a screamer and might be more desirable. The Lexus LS would have a V8 and solve a HUGE problem. I've noticed most owners 570 owners including myself aren't happy that the V8 is gone.
Also, let me be absolutely clear: I am not blaming Toyota or carmakers for this, it's all Uncle Sam.
Half of Toyota engineers are shaking their heads just like I and others are. But they're forced by the government.
That's why I refuse to drive anything other than V8s (that and I enjoy them just that much)--- I am not essentially following government orders.
I don't give a FF that my LX gets 13MPG, and most of the rest of us don't either.
MrTorgue
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Hope a certain somebody gets in and ****ing wrecks CAFE and wrangles the EPA. That's absolutely an impossible goal and will never happen and is solely designed to further the "EV is green" scam. The push to EV does more harm to the environment than some efficient ICE vehicles that drink a lot of petrol. It's all a damn scam from the gov't. Let the consumer decide what they want and not interfere with consumer choice. Personally I'd like a PHEV with a V8. Best of all worlds.
All very true as well...as all things political; it gets fubar!
Environmental groups/NGOs pushing this stuff are among the most anti-science and anti-reality I've ever seen. They have a pie-in-the-sky notion that we'll all be driving EVs, that battery metals appear out of thin air, that the charging infrastructure required to support all of it will be free, and that solar and wind will solve all of our problems (unless it's built in their back yard).
We can and should decarbonize, but it's simply not possible by 2035 or even 2050.
You are right Stonepa. That is definitely now the plan. Without the 300 series coming to the US that seems the only option. Maybe once the LX600 has some track record and second hand once get to $80k it would be an alternative. Would have to get one of those CBI bumpers to cut down on the enormous spindle grill, but that would be relatively easy to do.
Indeed. Nuclear power should be high on their agenda, but we all know where they stand on nuclear power generation.
They don’t want new power plants of any kind or any power distribution networks (no new power lines or gas pipelines). Somehow they think power just magically appears at their outlets.
That LX spindle grille is so horrifically ugly, besides destroying the approach angle.
I'm in favor of cleaner exhaust. I moved away from Utah in large part because we didn't want to raise our kids in such polluted air. The biggest contributor is vehicle emissions. I loved Utah and I was willing to live with it myself, but I'm not willing to knowingly shorten my kids lives by a few years. The emissions won't be cleaned up unless it's done by mandate. It's not an imaginary bogyman they're targeting. I wouldn't even consider myself an environmentalist, but I think every rational person still prefers clean air and water.
Either do I. I've posted points to that effect, e.g., I have steel wheels and lots of other things that kill my fuel economy - by choice. BUT, typically, there's a tradeoff. Muscle cars get bad gas mileage, but they're fast. A tradeoff. My 100 gets bad gas mileage, but it's slow.
I don't expect both. But, one sounds kinda nice. Also, I don't need a "fast" truck. So, it might as well get good MPGs.
NTTD
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This brings up a point. How big is the battery pack and how fast does it charge? That torque figure is only reached with electric assist.
I would think idling along in 4X4 would be fine but what about zooming around town with a heavy foot? Can you deplete it to a point where you have to wait for the battery to "catch up"?
What makes me not worry too much is Toyota is quite experienced with hybrids. It's not like they're new to this.
I suspect that like all standard hybrids, the battery is small and charges up quickly. Every time you brake, regenerative braking uses the electric motor to slow the vehicle and charge the battery.
I'm also very curious about the hybrid and inverter combo. Does the system monitor the battery in a way that it will automatically run the engine even when "off" or in some sort of off mode to keep the battery charged. What I'm looking for is something equivalent to what the Ford Powerboost does where you can plug in your tools, travel trailer, or house and it will run the engine as needed to charge the battery while you use the inverter provided power. I'm not sure if that just means "idle" and the engine would just do that automatically, or if it's some sort of setting, or if it's not even an option. Ideally it'll be a setting that shuts everything else down and locks out any sort of driving potential and just runs the engine for battery use. I don't want the lights to come on in the middle of the night at camp when it fires up, nor do I want someone to be able to jump in and drive off if it has to be left in idle.
MrTorgue
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Looks like SLC. The problem isn't emissions but the bowl you live in being surrounded by mountains. Air gets trapped and not blown out. Sort of a unique issue and really isn't because s***s dirty necessarily.
Hiluxforever
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Did they put the batteries in the back. I noticed the back end has a riser to it like the GX did for the third row seat. I was wondering what was put there.
Middle of the car and inside the cabin. Look at where the battery resides in the Tundra/Sequoia as a reference point.
Yep!! 100% accurate. Except it's backfiring, lol it just dropped that MB is bringing back their V8s.. I've already texted half of my "green" friends in jest who swore MB ICE was finished with the" I told ya so", haha.
V-8 to Return to Mercedes-AMG C-Class and E-Class Models by 2026
The C63 and E63 could soon accommodate a hybrid powertrain with the twin-turbo 4.0-liter V-8 to assuage those not satisfied by four- and six-cylinder setups.
I don't want some battery hybrid mess out of a Grand Highlander powering my Land Cruiser. At least give us the V6tt ICE only. I wouldn't feel as comfortable far off the beaten path with a 4cyl hybrid combo versus ICE only.
I would expect in a couple of years when LX600's have some track record and some second hands start showing up there will be solutions to cut down on the spindle grill and improve approach angle. Like CBI currently carrying for the GX470/460 and LX570.
It's part geography. But the core problem is emissions. It's not cold air that causes lung cancer. It's the stuff in the air - like sulfur dioxides and nitrous dioxides. They don't get there by themselves. And it's not unique to SLC, although it is somewhat unique in concentration at times. Most major cities in the world have air pollution problems. And most of the worlds people live in those cities.
In the end it's the same argument about leaded gas and burning coal. It's often presented as a black and white talking point that its always bad or always good. Even worse in our current world of ultra short media. In reality there's a balance of known harms and benefits. In this case - if we don't need to pollute the air why choose to do it? Especially if we can get better utility from the product and less pollution.
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