2000 Land Cruiser Transmission Failure

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Any data on maintenance records.

Like did failures happen even when ATF regularly fully flushed, and what type AFT was used??
Yes, failures happened even on anal-retentively maintained rigs. The data set overall is small (thank goodness) but there doesn't appear to be any preventative maintenance that will stave of this failure mode. Nor is there any "if it hasn't happened yet, it won't" mileage mark. Just drive and enjoy. Combine the low failure rate with the low amount of time you spend in the boondocks, and you're very unlikely to be stranded in a remote place by this.

:meh:

I took my 2000 by myself out to the west desert of UT and the Deep Creek mountains this summer for several days without a second thought to the tranny. Pretty remote for the lower 48...
 
Yes, failures happened even on anal-retentively maintained rigs. The data set overall is small (thank goodness) but there doesn't appear to be any preventative maintenance that will stave of this failure mode. Nor is there any "if it hasn't happened yet, it won't" mileage mark. Just drive and enjoy. Combine the low failure rate with the low amount of time you spend in the boondocks, and you're very unlikely to be stranded in a remote place by this.

:meh:

I took my 2000 by myself out to the west desert of UT and the Deep Creek mountains this summer for several days without a second thought to the tranny. Pretty remote for the lower 48...
Thanks guderian!
 
So regret that see your post too late, just dumped my transmission, it in trans shop for rebuild now. I've travelled 260k on my cruiser already. I did have nosie when I was on overdrive and I ignored it, finally dumped when I was driving on motorway, I was lucky tho not in mid of nowhere. Thanks Mike.
 
Like Felix1025, I wish I had seen this thread before it was too late. I'd been complaining about a noise and a hard shift for a while, but I guess I didn't have the right "language"...

My tranny died last night, on a solo trip (loaded from camping and an extended stay) from Maine to TN about an hour from home. I was on the interstate at <cough> speed, and passing a semi, when suddenly no power... and was blessed enough to be able to coast across to the breakdown lane, when an exit ramp suddenly appeared (it felt like magic!)... got to the bottom of the ramp and tried to shift into any gear to see if it was just drive and nothing. AAA and my husband came around 10:30 last night and she went off on a flatbed to the mechanics.

207K miles, serviced regularly & we keep a scanguage on her ... She hasn't been off road (we farm, and she gets used as a farm truck sometimes) in a while and the heaviest thing she's pulled in the last 12 months was a 600# trailer with recycling/trash in it (so total was less than 1k#). She has, in her 16 years, pulled a 2 horse livestock trailer, with my Fjords, which may have topped out at 6k to 7k# but that was maybe 7 years ago (we got a truck in '09)

One thing I had noticed on this trip was she was getting harder to put into drive or even into park, she shimmied badly between 60 and 70 mph, somewhere in West VA I heard a loud CLUNK and thought I'd run over an armadillo, and that her fuel mileage had gone from about 17 mph to 12.25 mph (I calculate it at every fuel stop), and passing gear wasn't getting me the getupandgo it usually did. I'd just had her major service in June before I left for Maine, and then had an engine light come on (oxygen sensor) up there, so had that repaired and another "safety inspection" service letting them know I had a 1300+ mile trip in a few days.

Right before she died, the whole front end felt like she was driving on rumble strips ... sounded like that too, except MUCH louder.
 
I'm curious about rebuild costs, The quote for replacement is $5500 including tax. Can the 2003 and later 5 speed transmission be installed in this ? Just thinking about options.

Thanks
 
I had mine exchanged with a rebuilt unit back in 2014.

Rebuilt Transmission $ 1800
Rebuilt Torque Conv. $ 250
Trans Fluid $ 50
Trans Cooler (larger) $ 225
Labor $ 825
=============================
TOTAL $ 3150

Then add appropriate tax...
There's a whole story to mine, but I'll have to save that for another post...
 
TNLCMama, what is the history of tranny fluid change, flush, etc. in your failed tranny?
 
BullElk,
I would have to do a lot of research into that (I've just returned from a 3 month vacation, and my records are not easily accessible. I do know that we would meet or exceed published maintenance... simply because we live on a dusty farm and put the old girl through her paces (i.e., this was NOT a Suburban Assualt Vehicle/Soccer Mom car). I stayed with the dealership (not the selling dealership, but one closer that deals with rural use of Toyotas) until it changed ownership 2 or 3 years ago and then went with independent mechanics that either specialized in rural use/off road use or in keeping older Toyotas running well. If I'm not mistaken, Tranny fluid change/flush etc was every 30k miles.

My husband checked the fluid after the failure and said it looked clean and new.
TNLCMama, what is the history of tranny fluid change, flush, etc. in your failed tranny?
 
RootMeanSqr, did you put in something similar to the original transmission or did you convert to a manual transmission (I'm a bit auto illiterate, so please excuse me if that was addressed through the other items in your list).

Why the larger cooler? Would that be similar to a larger air intake in a sports car?

And I would like to know the whole story, please!

Thanks

I had mine exchanged with a rebuilt unit back in 2014.

Rebuilt Transmission $ 1800
Rebuilt Torque Conv. $ 250
Trans Fluid $ 50
Trans Cooler (larger) $ 225
Labor $ 825
=============================
TOTAL $ 3150

Then add appropriate tax...
There's a whole story to mine, but I'll have to save that for another post...
 
TNLCMama, what is the history of tranny fluid change, flush, etc. in your failed tranny?
BullElk,
I would have to do a lot of research into that (I've just returned from a 3 month vacation, and my records are not easily accessible. I do know that we would meet or exceed published maintenance... simply because we live on a dusty farm and put the old girl through her paces (i.e., this was NOT a Suburban Assualt Vehicle/Soccer Mom car). I stayed with the dealership (not the selling dealership, but one closer that deals with rural use of Toyotas) until it changed ownership 2 or 3 years ago and then went with independent mechanics that either specialized in rural use/off road use or in keeping older Toyotas running well. If I'm not mistaken, Tranny fluid change/flush etc was every 30k miles.

My husband checked the fluid after the failure and said it looked clean and new.
when I researched for the analysis of the tranny failures, this was the common response. It didn't matter if you never cracked the drain plug ever, stuck to mfr recommended intervals, or flushed 2 gallons every time you bought gas - failure was independent of maintenance history. Sorry...
 
Dude- my husband and I are trying to catch up, but this has happened at a very stressed time in our lives, and we barely have time to breathe let alone research. My husband did try to look and didn't see anything ... Hence he asked.
Instead of getting snarky, would you be so kind as to point us in the right direction?!

Dude. read the wealth of knowledge posted before you. That is how forums work.
 
about the 4 vs 5 speed, start at post #81.

and cost questions are HIGHLY subjective for anything car related.
Location, access to parts, qualified mechanics, how buy the shop is, heck they might not even like how you smiled at them.

Anyone asking for costs of things on forums very rarely gets a usable answer.

Hell, I don't own a Toyota product newer than 1985, but I read this topic from cover to cover in about 15 mins, just to learn.
 
RootMeanSqr, did you put in something similar to the original transmission or did you convert to a manual transmission (I'm a bit auto illiterate, so please excuse me if that was addressed through the other items in your list).

I replaced with original, Toyota A343F transmission. Not practical to change to 5 speed, would require a bunch of electronic control module changes as well. Don't remember reading about anyone on this forum successfully doing that. As for changing to manual, I don't believe they were offered as an option in the US, so parts would be tough to come by and most seem to feel that it's not worth the cost.

Why the larger cooler? Would that be similar to a larger air intake in a sports car?

It just helps to keep the transmission cooler. Essentially, it's a radiator for the transmission, that the transmission fluid gets cycled through. Large cooler will have an easier time keeping the transmission temperature lower. It's located in front of the radiator. Not necessary to upgrade in my opinion, but if the transmission went out, it's possible/likely that metallic debris from the internals of the transmission ended up in the cooler which could easily clog it up and lead to premature failure in replacement transmissions. Good practice to replace. To be honest, the larger cooler I ended up with is probably just something the transmission shop had on hand.

And I would like to know the whole story, please!

The short story is that I don't think my transmission actually needed replacing. After tear down of the transmission, shop said nothing was obviously broken, but did have signs of wear. I authorized full rebuild since they'd already spent the time to remove and tear into it. After replacement, I had very similar symptoms to before. Fix for the new symptoms were new Transmission Temp Sensor, and starter relay. I think my bad starter relay was causing the starter to engage, thereby causing the immediate deceleration of the vehicle as well as the grinding noise. Possibly also killing the engine? (not sure). Also don't know what effect a bad temp sensor has, did I did have a fault code for that one.

In the end, I have a new/rebuilt transmission, and peace of mind. Always a good thing, and in my opinion was a worthy investment.

Hope that helps! Good luck!
 
I have a 2001 and started noticing a chattering noise today at low speeds(approx 30 mph). To me it sounded like it would start when the converter would lock and then stop when unlocking. When I turn OD off it stops. I ran it by a shop a few minutes ago and was assured it's just the heat shield over the muffler. I'm not buying it. Does this sound similar to what you all experienced before failure?
 
I have a 2001 and started noticing a chattering noise today at low speeds(approx 30 mph). To me it sounded like it would start when the converter would lock and then stop when unlocking. When I turn OD off it stops. I ran it by a shop a few minutes ago and was assured it's just the heat shield over the muffler. I'm not buying it. Does this sound similar to what you all experienced before failure?
Does not sound similar to transmission issues, but there are plenty on this forum with heat shield noises. Fix that first, cheap and easy, and see if your noise goes away.
 
Should've stuck with my gut. Just took it out to try to get a video/audio of the noise. About 40 Seconds in the truck starts vibrating and then ..POP! Limped it home with OD off. Have to edit some of my language at the end and then will post the video. :clap:
 
Not the clearest but 7-14 is the chatter, again at approx 23-25, some vibration at 32 which I thought may be the road, and the grand finale at 38 ..then I immediately turn OD off.

 
My transmission went out again 1.5 years after the rebuild I posted here, but this time it was the torque converter.

Symptoms were loss of power delivery (floating needle / as if in neutral) after fluid heat up ~20 mins of driving.
 

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