Rear sag on new 4" lift

[StinkyPig]

Looking for suggestions.
This spring I installed Man-A-Fre's NEW Safari 4" lift. Drove it all summer with not top and the springs were not bad, soft, nice ride, good articulation but some body roll. I was pretty happy.

Now that it's getting colder, I installed the hard top. The rear springs went flat....bottomed out the shocks. Now I can drive the machine at all.
The company told me they have decided to build some helper springs for heavier rigs but the springs are not available yet.

My rig is mostly stock so I don't see why it would be considered heavier than typical...and winter is coming I would like to get this fixed ASAP. But in any case, it doesn't appear that I'm going to get much help from the vendor.

What spings do I need to make this right?

 

[spotcruiser]

Get a set of rear HFS from CCOT (don't know if they sell just the rears).

 

[1911]

My rig is mostly stock so I don't see why it would be considered heavier than typical...

I don't think they should have sagged that much, and I'd be pissed at MAF if it were mine, but... your MAF 4+ bumper is almost 200 lbs. by itself (I've got one), plus the weight of your full jerry cans, plus the Hi-lift, plus the roof rack, plus whatever you're carrying in the back. My only point being that your truck is probably at least 300 lbs. heavier than stock in the back.

 

[StinkyPig]

Good point. Bumper is heavier. Roof rack weighs little, cans are empty, so is the rear. Jacks and tire heavy. It ads up. But still not enough to flatten the springs. And I am PO'd.

 

[vfrer]

How long are those shackles? Longer shackles should lift the rear up and reduce the shackle angle but I don't know how long would be too long. In the picture it almost looks like the top leaf is bent right where the second leaf ends... could that be it?

 

[FJsnoozer]

actually, longer shackles wont improve that. I THINK stock length shackles would actually help you for now. I'd have to draw it up on cad to prove it to myself.

That spring does look BENT between the area inside the hanger. That is not how it should be. Do both sides look like that?

 

[FJsnoozer]

See, no bend.

You can order new rears from 4" Hell creek for around 150 per spring. Call Tom

 

[pb4ugo]

actually, longer shackles wont improve that.

That spring does look BENT between the area inside the hanger. That is not how it should be. Do both sides look like that?

Usually where the main leaf terminates & creates the spring eye, it is turned up to make the eye. What's the other end look like?

Could it be the main leaf was installed upside down in the spring pack.

 

[StinkyPig]

Sorry. My mistake. Its the Mojave lift kit. Not the Safari. If you look at the pictures on their site you can see the bend.
I'll take better pics tonight.

 

[reddingcruiser]

Cut the mounting brackets off the frame and turn 'em around, should be just fine.

 

[Rockets2000]

You could trade springs with this guy...

https://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/526368-4-rough-country-lift-more-like-7-a.html

 

[fromme]

Dang, that would upset me too. I just put their 4" Safari springs on, and the lift was way more than 4" and it rode rock hard; but I am really light. I ended up removing a leaf from each spring pack on both ends (unfortunately all the sudden I have death wobble though). You do look heavier than you think you are, but it shouldn't do that. When I was trying to decide between the Safari and the Mojave springs, I always thought those Mojaves would be made too long.

 

[imabigbangkindaguy]

Take em off, put it back in the box, send em back.

I would be pissed as hell if it were me!!

Sounds to me like it is just a s***ty product.

 

[StinkyPig]

The rear bumper set up weighs 200lbs. I took it off last night and the springs were happier. However, the body roll that tha machine has with the hard top installed is crazy.
Here more pics of the springs. They aren't bent. They are built that way.

 

[fromme]

Those springs must be really soft and they are obviously unforgiving to weight. IIRC their display pics are of a FJ with a soft top. Isn't there a prominent member here that was very involved in developing these springs? Perhaps he can offer some insight and suggestions.

 

[Tortuga78]

Sorry to see what you are dealing with. Thanks for posting. I was about to order the same from MAF. Not anymore. Its a shame they're not making this right for you.

 

[Slowerthanu]

Someday folks will learn that a Spring Over is going to be FAR more advantageous over a SU lift.

Every company that sells springs will tell you that SOA conversions are dangerous and unstable. I'm still here and so are ALL of my wheeling buddies, not one single SUA setup.

Funny, I had Safari's and HATED them. 4 inch lift springs are the DEVIL!

I think those rears are bunk, they should NOT collapse under a hard top considering the vehicle was designed with a flipping hard top.

I have OME's on my FJ62 (put them on for my dad, bought it from him, will go SOA soon) and under my custom front and rear bumpers I have not sagged more than a 1/4 inch.

 

[70CRZR]

I have been wheeling SUA for almost 10yrs. I am running some really old crappy springs in the front and a set of Alcan's in the back. SOA may have advantages, but there is no reason SUA will not work.

The springs should not have done that. My Alcan's are softer than any standard lift spring and I have loaded it up. They sag a little, but nothing even close to that.

 

[srgould41]

Nope. I called CCOT yesterday asking for a set of front springs only and they said they will only sell sets of 4. So I guess if you break a spring you are SOL...

Get a set of rear HFS from CCOT (don't know if they sell just the rears).

 

[BC40]

I'd talk to MAF. But before buying anything else (replacement springs) I'd make pair of shackles that are an inch longer out of flat bar. With springs that long there is absolutely no reason for anti-inversion shackles, your shocks won't allow enough droop to invert those. If it it weren't for the AI bolt, those shackles would be extended resting on the frame, so they are too short for the spring. Or if you don't want to run longer shackles then the spring is too long for the stock mounting points.
G/L