In 2023, US sales of the 4Runner were about 110,000. In 2021, US sales of the Land Cruiser were about 3,700.
So it is certain that the 4Runner will outsell the LC.
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So it is certain that the 4Runner will outsell the LC.
That's more a apples vs tomatoes comparison. We don't know what the new 4R will be and the new LC has never been sold before, anywhere.
New versions of iconic brand names earn a look-see and consideration but doesn't guarantee anything else beyond that.
New versions of iconic brand names earn a look-see and consideration but doesn't guarantee anything else beyond that.
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This is virtual fact. Regardless of what either is side by side as always the 4Runner will outsell based on price.
Oh no. The rear wing moves with the glass??? What on earth was Toyota thinking? That means you now can't open the glass or the rear hatch with anything on the roof rack? Toyota needs to hire at least one person on their design team who actually owns one of these and uses it as a daily utility vehicle.
This is the same as how the spoiler moves when the hatch is opened on the 200 series.
Often annoying for me on the 5G 4Runner to have it move with the hatch. Anytime I have a canoe, kayak, longer roof box, or any long cargo on top it's hard to access the rear, but with the window down you can still mostly access it. On the LC200 can you open the hatch enough to get the tailgate open with a canoe or 2x4 on the roof that extends back? On the GX and LC250 it probably needs to move with the hatch and that is something I'd expect. But I don't think it needs to move with the glass. The glass could pretty easily have been engineered with a hinge that allowed the glass panel to open without the spoiler. GX460 spoiler moves with the glass too - but you can also open the door without hitting something on the roof. I think this is the first BOF Toyota SUV that the cargo area is not accessible from the back with something long on the roof rack. I can't think of any other model that didn't have some way to do that.
Maybe I'm tricked by the video and it somehow clears the plane of the roof cross bars. But it looks like it's a big spoiler wing up there that will need about a 6" high set of cross bars to clear it when it's open.
Can confirms. Mounted my ski box a little too far back one year. Scratched top of the spoiler a bit before I noticed. Never look up there anyways.
I like the look of the 250. Not as bloated/bulky as the LC200. But, the pricing is weird and off to me. The base model LC250 is $55k and you get the inline 4 and the 8.2" rear axle. For just $9k more, you can get the base model GX550 which has the twin turbo V6 (better than the i4 imo) and the 9.5" rear axle (objectively better than the 8.2" on the LC250).
The twin turbo V6 on the GX550 is easily worth the $9k more than the LC250. The 9.5" rear axle, even if it is easily swapped onto the LC250, is also worth a few thousand.
The twin turbo V6 on the GX550 is easily worth the $9k more than the LC250. The 9.5" rear axle, even if it is easily swapped onto the LC250, is also worth a few thousand.
I agree.
This is typical when you compare the usual Prado vs full size LC of any given era but its still very noticeable. The new 250 is not a small vehicle but next to the 300 it kind of disappears.
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With base GX you also don't get KDSS/ADM, or a rear locker. If a larger axle is a concern those two things should be as well.
ETA: After re-reading I noticed the "base LC250" which also doesn't get the KDSS/ADM (though you do still get a locker). However leaving my reply up since someone concerned about axle diameter really shouldn't consider either one. I am still confused by the value proposition on the 1958 model and don't think it will be a popular seller.
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The 250 pricing does not disappear though. In France the 250 gets into the 75K-80K euros with only a modest option set. That kind of money will get you into a 300 in GCC, right?
The Lexus GX looks like the obvious play for the Yanks, but I’m not sure we are getting that model in Europe.
IMO it looks a lot like an 80 series - which I personally consider to be a relatively bland/utilitarian-looking SUV. The 100, 120, 150, and 200 all look better than an 80 IMO. I they utilized the 80 as the inspiration for the 250 that would certainly make sense.
You can get a locking rear diff in the GX550 overtrail edition ($69k). The point is the GX550 base model is a better model to start your build with or just generally. Easier to add a rear locker than doing an engine or axle swap.
The 80 series in its most fully loaded model had presence. Back in the day it was definitely top dog. You have to remember suvs/4wds were smaller back then.
I think the 300 series is more modern day 80 than the 250. Not design wise but capability/and it didn't grow in size like it usually does.
The 250 was designed entirely by a N American team not the Japanese. Hard to say what their inspiration was in fact. There is nothing of the shibui inspired aesthetics of the previous great Japanese designed trucks like the 40s, 60s and 70s. That is for sure.
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Correct. I just think that's a more apples to apples to compare to overtrail which is a $14k price difference. That isn't small.
Regardless the percentage of LC250 or GX owners willing to do locker installs or axle swaps will be laughably small compared to the masses.
