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Wits End Order Issues / Joey Romero (3 Viewers)
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Francis K
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Haha come on dude how would that possibly be enforced on any level? Besides even that none of this is the fault of mud, mud provides a venue that's it....the rest is up to us and a lot of guys failed each other around here.
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Francis K
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I'm not one for calling out specific people the situation is what it is. But he's right in that it's the fanboys that enabled guys to keep getting burned. This isn't something new this guy has been doing this to people for years it's only come to a head now because there is no defense of it anymore, it's too late, and just like you said it's not the first time it has happened on this forum and it played out just like this. Guys complaining and the cheerleaders shooting them down until they couldn't defend it anymore while other guys got burned along the way for their cheerleading then slinking away, hell in the case of EMS the cheerleaders still shot people down after they sold half the forum a worthless exhaust system.
Go through any of the old threads about wits end you'll find a guy talking about getting screwed and then ten other guys shooting him down, that's not how it should be. Someone paid for a product it's not something wrong for them to expect service and dare I say actually receive what they paid for, holding the vendor accountable. If anything those guys should have been saying "Joey you need to respond to this", not "Joey is my best butt buddy leave him alone because feelings" which is exactly what happened...
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Funny how you consider yourself lucky now that you were the one that didn't get burned but had no problem talking down other peoples negative experiences. I am glad you didn't fall for his Ponzi scheme.
I guess we can't blame all the fan boys since what he did was pretty calculated. He built the trust of this whole forum over the years just so he could peddle his crap but was doing shady s*** behind the scenes. Every once in a while the curtain would be pulled back on the truth by a "complainer" and he would be quickly put down by all the people he coerced into believing he was doing the "cruiser heads" a service with his Wits End "widgets".
Francis K
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That's probably the main issue and why all this takes place, the concept that vendors are somehow doing us a favor by making money off of us....silly.
So my stance was that as long as orders were being processed and communication of current status was in place that I would eventually get my order. Like I had said before my order was placed because of I was trying to help out Joey's business get through the pandemic and keep the kit alive. I knew and it seemed transparent that orders were going to be a long lead transactions and I had faith he would deliver. Everyone seems to have forgotten how many small shops closed over the past few years. I am also a 280z enthusiast and there is so many shops close and went bankrupt. I knew it would be a few years after reading statuses of manufacturing issues and supply chain delays. Things are getting back to normal but I bet Borg Warner is way behind on manufacturing. My worry is that now that he has ghosted everyone which was a surprise to me after I knew there was shipments being made and DM'd a member that had ordered in 2019 finally got delivered in 2022. Known I was expecting at least a 3 year delivery time. I'm no fanboy but a supporter of small business which seem to bite me in the ass on this one.
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Francis K
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E-commerce absolutely exploded during covid, especially something niche like what he does. Sorry your assessment was dead wrong.
The point is these people sharing their positive experience are more often than not sharing it as some sort of defense for Joey in response to the negative criticism. There is absolutely no place for that here. What Joey has done and continues to do to customers is very real and indecent. It is extremely frustrating for those who have been defrauded by Joey when someone comes around and tries to justify it because of their own positive experience.
Besides, this section of the forum is “Bad Sellers - Buyer Beware”. You don’t just get to pop in the thread and say “Oh, but I had a positive experience so Joey can’t a bad seller” and then not expect people to bitch about that.
Francis K
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They do if the restaurant shut down because it gave everyone else food poisoning.
If he has it he'll ship it, when he gets around to it, that keeps it going. If he doesn't he's just pocketing the cash and keeping it moving. Maybe the customer disputes the charges in time maybe they don't because they hold out hope seeing that the one guy did get his stuff it just took a long time.
That's not a true statement, e-commerce took a crap with specialty services, good welders custom fabricators they all either retired or died. That experiese was an art and hard to find. And all those freight lines backed up for 12 or so months took forever to off load. I work in healthcare and hospitals everywhere are dying even today. Don't compare clothes and electronics to specialty fabrication because no millennials can do that!
I'm an e-commerce operating millennial with a vertically integrated manufacturing business.
During the pandemic, I hired two employees and added multiple large machines to keep up with demand. I sold out of almost every product I make and could have made unlimited amounts of any of it if I had to. I was slammed building and repairing parts for the timber and semiconductor industries for a couple years. I could name my price and the biggest question from the loggers was "How much work can you handle?" Nobody was harmed letting my products sell out. If we weren't machining parts for others there were times when dozens of people would have been out of work.
Almost losing family and friends to Covid sucked, but the pandemic was a boon to my business and every other manufacturing business owner I'm friends with. Everyone prospered.
Those of us with morals and a work ethic stepped up and knocked it out of the park.
The businesses that were brought to thier knees were the ones that rely on overseas supply chains and treat thier vendors poorly.
Businesses that don't pay on time and order everything last minute went to the back of a very long line during the pandemic.
I fulfilled thousands of e-commerce orders during the pandemic. Every single one shipped the day it was ordered or on Monday if it was placed over the weekend.
Witts End is not a fabricator. His entire operation could fit in my office.
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Francis K
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Fabrication? Is that what wits end is? What does healthcare or being a "millennial" have to do with any of it? Or guys retiring and dying....that would actually be good for wits end business if you're going to call them a fabricator.
So when we were all stuck at home with nothing to do but go online and work on our trucks you don't think maybe common sense would say that was perhaps good for business over at wits end?
Wits end is an e-commerce retailer, go browse the site and take a look. I do e-commerce for a living, my business increased exponentially during covid and it has stayed that way, that is not an exaggeration.
Everything you said was wrong on multiple levels. Covid was an absolute boon to businesses that were actually worth anything, especially to the segment that wits end is specifically in. Sorry brother but you played yourself into thinking you were somehow supporting a struggling small business through covid and it appears you're still trying to do so. The only businesses that died during covid were ones that were already obsolete, covid just pushed them over the edge they were already teetering on.
Don't even get me started on PPP and EIDL loans. Not to mention a business that takes orders for out of stock products with no consequence....good god I would have retired to a desert island by now if I could have done that during covid like wits end did....
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Oh so have you heard of multiple people ordering 6k worth of food from a single restaurant and never got what they ordered? Your comparison here is apples to oranges.
It’s also not just that people are posting a positive experience. They do so to try and discount the fact that Joey is indeed a fraud. Why else would they post their positive experience on here? There are plenty of people on here who have been attacked for posting a negative experience with Joey. Why should the same not happen for those posting positive experiences when those people aren’t out 6k dollars? It doesn’t matter how many positive experiences there are when there is evidences that he has deliberately taken a significant amount of money from people, doesn’t fulfill the order, and then goes silent.
It’s not, the point is that people can post their experience good or bad, and neither should be shouted down by an opposing experience.
Two wrongs don’t make a right and seems like just a bunch of hypocrisy at this point. If you feel the need to lower yourself to the level of a random on the internet…..
The people using their own “positive” experience to try and deny the validity of the claims against Joey should absolutely be shouted down and should not be surprised by that.
And now you’re the one calling people hypocrites and making claims of myself and others lowering ourselves on the internet for taking a stand against a vendor who is running a Ponzi scheme and those that support him? I would venture to say those that have defended Joey and are attacking the victims have lowered themselves MUCH further.
If you’re not aware of the many previous threads on here where supporters of Joey have relentlessly tried to bury his critics then you just need to stop commenting here.
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NeverFinis
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I think some of these pro-Wits End accounts that post in Wits End poor customer poor experience threads maybe possibly fake or Joey is texting people to defend him and his company.
It is pretty comical and peculiar how some people who haven’t experienced the issues with Joey seem so motivated to keep posting here. It’s obvious Joey is a fraud regardless of any positive experience someone has had. So what is the motive here for posting about a positive experience if not trying to negate someone’s negative experience.
No one who is out 6k dollars is going to care about someone else’s positive experience. That isn’t going to magically make them feel better about having lost 6k dollars and will only add more tension to the whole situation. Good for those who haven’t been hurt by Joey, but it just doesn’t belong here.
No one who is out 6k dollars is going to care about someone else’s positive experience. That isn’t going to magically make them feel better about having lost 6k dollars and will only add more tension to the whole situation. Good for those who haven’t been hurt by Joey, but it just doesn’t belong here.
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It's the classic debate...do we balance the good a person does with the bad. If it is net positive, we brush the bad under the rug.
The other point of view is...you can't drive a truck with 3 good tires and 1 rim. In other words, people are judged by their worse. I tend to fall into this category. Either way...I believe their is room for Joey to attempt to remedy this situation. He just doesn't want to.
The other point of view is...you can't drive a truck with 3 good tires and 1 rim. In other words, people are judged by their worse. I tend to fall into this category. Either way...I believe their is room for Joey to attempt to remedy this situation. He just doesn't want to.
Francis K
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So pretty much let's let people keep being scammed because some guy two years ago had his $30 order actually delivered and he had a phone conversation with joeys wife's brothers ex girlfriends mom and they were nice...
You are the reason why this stuff happens here.
