I mean no one is accusing you of being a mature adult.
Wits End Order Issues / Joey Romero (4 Viewers)
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I mean no one is accusing you of being a mature adult.
There is literally nothing you or anyone here can do about that from here. I get that people feel better pumping their chest on the internet but none of them are gaining any respect or support for it. Change your attitude and you may get support. I don’t have a dog in the fight but from my outside view, some of y’all are jerks and that’s equally hard to get behind.. If anything it’s a disservice to this post and credibility.
I have personally never provided a side and I have deliberately not disclosed my experience despite being added to this thread.
Anyways I’m out, y’all can continue the circle jerk while everyone else stops caring.
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Joey has literally stolen tens of thousands of dollars from the Land Cruiser community. Those same folks have faced a ton of back lash just for bringing it up and now you’re calling it a circle jerk?
It seems pretty obvious that you have chosen a side by standing up for those who support Joey despite him being a liar and a thief and are effectively one of his fan boys. You and others on this forum are partially to blame for Joey getting away this kind of stuff.
Francis K
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I placed a small order on July 3 and have not received anything. A couple status checks have gone unanswered.
What sucks is I bought the "keychain model 03" for EGR delete on my FJ62. Anyone know similar product from another vendor?
What sucks is I bought the "keychain model 03" for EGR delete on my FJ62. Anyone know similar product from another vendor?
3FE desmog kit
This kit contains the hard to find parts to do a sanitary desmog of a 3FE engine, found in 88-90 FJ62 and 90-92 FJ80 Land Cruiser. Large plug with 14mm Allen drive for EGR outlet in exhaust manifold Cup plug for EGR inlet in intake manifold 4 Allen plugs to close AIR ports in top of cylinder...
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3FE desmog kit
This kit contains the hard to find parts to do a sanitary desmog of a 3FE engine, found in 88-90 FJ62 and 90-92 FJ80 Land Cruiser. Large plug with 14mm Allen drive for EGR outlet in exhaust manifold Cup plug for EGR inlet in intake manifold 4 Allen plugs to close AIR ports in top of cylinder...tlcperformance.com
Thanks! I had only looked into delete enough to start collecting some parts but what I was after is a block-off plate like this:
We are using one of the tlcperformance desmog kits on our 3FE and it works quite well, plus less costly.
i'm out 6k bucks.. and i'm a jerk?? what the hell??
Francis K
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Yea bro you're a jerk for having the nerve to speak up about it, shame on you...
***Hypothetically speaking and not referring to any particular individual or entity***
So if a user came on this forum and was scamming people and it was known are you saying that Mud shouldn't ban the user and instead just let the user keep doing so?
Francis K
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No...I didn't speak in regards to that, what I said was how the hell would mud possibly enforce what I quoted:
"It’s a great argument that vendors shouldn’t be allowed to sell on Mud unless they have stock in hand"
That seems to be common sense though, something far too lacking these days, stop talking so foolish. Unfortunately, this is the society of instant gratification and with that people don't want to see something out of stock. So... FOMO causes a lot of buying on impulse and really unfortunately there are companies that use that to their advantage. IG cred bro!
I know someone that did get their turbo kit although it has been a few years now. You guys that haven't need to organize and actually get numbers and fight for resolution. NO company or person should ever badmouth a customer when the customer hasn't received items ordered YEARS AGO. These guys have every right to complain every where they can. Is this any different than what PelfreyBuilt did? I hope you guys get your money back.
I know someone that did get their turbo kit although it has been a few years now. You guys that haven't need to organize and actually get numbers and fight for resolution. NO company or person should ever badmouth a customer when the customer hasn't received items ordered YEARS AGO. These guys have every right to complain every where they can. Is this any different than what PelfreyBuilt did? I hope you guys get your money back.
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I ended up doing an Amex chargeback, FYI. Sucks as I'd prefer to have the parts and another reliable vendor for our trucks.
The thing is this is nothing new, can't use the pandemic as an excuse at this point and you couldn't use it before the middle of 2020. I have had a few orders with him in the past and ran into the same issues on every order even well before the c19. And every time I found it ironic the name of his company and how I felt about dealing with him. His issue is he sells products he doesn't have and has no control over.
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I can also be added to this list. I paid $6000 in September 2022 and haven’t gotten any responses either unfortunately.I'm creating a new post following a lengthy discussion in the turbo owners thread about various issues in communication and delivery of turbo kits. Personally, in spite of all of the challenges I would still prefer to have the turbo and I'm happy to wait. I love Joey's gear. However, given what appears to be growing evidence of fraud I have little hope of receiving it.
@NLXTACY - I'm twenty-three months in without communication about a $6,000 item that was promised within a year. There appears to be six-to-ten others just on turbo orders alone, likely more though. Like others, a basic status update and estimate of delivery - two sentences tops (which noting your social media habits should not be an issue) - and I would be fine. I'm happy to be patient. I suspect others would be as well. But your approach is unprofessional and surprising given the amount of money we're talking about here and the longstanding loyalty of the customers that you're subjecting to this nonsense. "I get to choose who I want to have as a customer". and all of your variations of that do not apply here. You've already chosen and have failed. It's time to deliver on your commitment.
Many of your other projects and orders ship, you provide updates enthusiastically, you develop countless new products and custom projects, and your personal and market supply chain issues don't appear to effect those. The lack of communication is the absolute worst thing here and leads me to assume the worst.
Assuming you ignore this like all of the other attempts to reasonably communicate, I will continue my efforts with the BBB (Case #20245438), FTC Fraud Department (Case #161368493) and the Oregon attorney general's office and will solicit support from other customers with issues to bolster the cases. If you are not aware, with my order alone, you are blatantly violating federal consumer protection laws with significant liability.
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Central Point, OR 97502
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joey.romero@gmail.com
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In addition to reasonable and polite requests for updates via email, text, phone, instagram and FB messages, I have sent this thread to all of the above so there is no doubt that he is unaware.
Those with possible issues from their comments in these forums:
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Existing "Buyer Beware" Threads and reviews:
Wits End Turbo Owners
So far we have... ChargedTaco 2/2020 8/2022 (missing wategate, not rec'd) Lazy 8/2020 PDXDave67 2/2021 I believe people's cooperation in putting this together, even if you have received yours, is helpful to the community. Just respond and I'll add you to the table. This is a great...forum.ih8mud.com
Wit's End?
Hi - I ordered CV boots and a few other things from Wit's End on Feb 2nd, but the order status still shows "Awaiting Fulfillment". I've emailed Joey, used the Contact Us form, and called the number listed on the website several times, but no response. Is this typical? Is there a better way to...Absolute Witt’s end?!?!?!?
I purchased the quarter panel mount and paid for it several months ago and according to Joey’s website I should’ve received it around Christmas. Now every time I email him my email system tells me that that email address no longer works. His voicemail is full. Is he alive? Is my quarter panel...Negative Wit's End Experience
First off, I know this post may get a lot of criticism from friends and customers of Joey. I have purchased many items from Wit's End and been supportive of the business. I've even stood up for the business on other threads talking about negative experiences. However, my most recent experience...Best way to get ahold of Wits-End?
Interesting. Sounds like either he omitted part of the order (it's a single "item" so it shouldn't have shipped without the Anderson plug and boots) or perhaps you are mistaken on what you ordered and possibly ordered the bare brackets? I'd double check your order, and if it's the former case...Absolute Wits End
Does anyone know how to get a hold of these guys? I placed an order 10 days ago and ive emailed, called, created an account and messaged directly and I cannot get a response. I ordered a leak kit for my 80 and i wanted to be able to install the new parts mid next week. Order says "awaiting...Wits End - they’ve stopped answering emails.
I bought something from Wits End on 18 June, emailed on 24June and was told they expected to have my item ready the following week. Since then I’ve sent 2 emails, neither of which got a response. I can’t find a phone number for this business, anyone here have info on Wits End or if the business...Google Reviews
Absolute-wits-end Reviews - 1 Stars
2 reviews for Absolute-wits-end, 1 stars: 'Bought common Items and waited 30 day and no word or nothing shipped Some might say i didn't wait long enough. NO emails answered. Here what really got me thinking I made a mistake ordering from them was their own words in my receipt that said. Please...www.sitejabber.com
Facebook Reviews
I think it's import to collect all of these issues in one spot to prevent problems like this in the future for others. Plenty customers have made large purchase decisions based on the previously deserved but now misguided enthusiastic support of Wit's End.
For those continued supporters of Wit's End, please review these threads. He uses victimhood to garner support and distract from his many notable business failures (acknowledging some legitimate issues that while sympathetic, many business owners deal with and successfully navigate equivalents, including myself). I have been a rabid supporter of Wit's End and Joey for seven years, spent countless thousands of dollars, promoted the company, and even offered to buy him a f***ing building to solve his supposed real estate issue (that amounted to his own carelessness then blamed on his landlord). I'm disappointed I didn't notice all of this sooner but as best I can tell now, no other vendor has had as many serious complaints here that are cleverly dismissed. Regardless, in my opinion, what's occurring is not excusable for a prominent business owner and member of this community.
Happy to update this with other people that have issues or other locations documenting problems. I'm hoping the community can come together to create accountability.
@lazy - Do you want to add your order issues list here?
Francis K
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I'm curious, this wasn't even a year ago....did you have any warning at all as to what was going on? Because even in 2022 guys had been waiting years at that point right?
True but it wasn't widely known
and I’ve heard was still reaching out to folks as of a few weeks ago.
