What's better offroad, 80 series, or 100 series?

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I'd thought I'd never see the day to say this, but I basically agree with Shotts.
The best wheeler is the one that fulfills your needs.

Regards

Alvaro
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
This was an interesting 80 vs 100 thread. I just finished it. One last post and I'm out.....

I read two sets of qualifications in your question.

1. Off-road capability is MORE important than on-road ride quality.
2. You ask about 33-inched 2-3" lifted rigs.

Because of those points I have two answers.

1. No question the 80s can out perform the 100s on the tough trails.
2. IF...IF you plan on modding your buy with 33s and only 2-3 inches lift...IF....that will predetermine the trail-types you will run. The extreme to very-difficult ones are out. IF that's the case....IF....the 80 will not offer hardly anything over the 100 on the "runnable" trails. That give the nod to a 100-series overall due to it's other beneifts.

So really, the answer lies with you. If you re-think or re-post and say you'd like 35's and/or taller lifts, etc.....then it's back to the 80-series.
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I completely agree with this post.
 
alvarorb said:
That must be it. Finally you are getting wiser....

Alvaro
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I have found that getting older makes me less inclined to defend an indefensible position.:flipoff2:
 
shottuzj100 Don't miss understand what I'm trying to say about a mild off road capabilities on the 100 series, I have a "05" 100 and I know what my LC is capable to do, bud I also know the I wont take it to Hells revenge whit out modifications, that's why I always take the fjcruiser or the 40 series.

Here in the USA unfortunately the 105 is no produce "Don't ask me why" but this truck is the ultimate expeditions vehicle, whit a combination of comfort, diesel power, heavy duty suspension, is build this way from factory. that why the 80 can't touch it
 
cruiserloco said:
shottuzj100 Don't miss understand what I'm trying to say about a mild off road capabilities on the 100 series, I have a "05" 100 and I know what my LC is capable to do, bud I also know the I wont take it to Hells revenge whit out modifications, that's why I always take the fjcruiser or the 40 series.

Here in the USA unfortunately the 105 is no produce "Don't ask me why" but this truck is the ultimate expeditions vehicle, whit a combination of comfort, diesel power, heavy duty suspension, is build this way from factory. that why the 80 can't touch it
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Please understand my pointing out your post.......

Both the 80 and 100 models have no trouble running a trail like Hells Revenge. If equally equipped (the topic of this thread), they compare favorably on a trail like that. Hell's is not "mild" but it also is not "wild". Neither the 80 or 100 are designed to be "mild" wheelers.

Now....you want to do Dump Bump and those other extreme lines....an 80 is the ticket due to taller lifts a SFA and the like.

And by the way....I'm sure they exist due to intense aftermarket mods.....but I personally have not seen an FJC yet that will out-wheel my 100 (and especially my 80). Durability is not at the same level as a LC.

The 105 has two advantages over the 80....larger capacity and a bit more luxury....I say a bit more because the 105 does not benefit the perks the smooth and quiet V8 offered here in the US. So if I hear you right....the 80 can't touch the 105 due to capacity and luxory (not 4-wheeling)?
The 80 on the other hand is the better choice for the extreme wheeler. It is essentially a 105 with a smaller and lighter body and therefore it will fit where a 105 will not. On the extreme trails....the 105 will not better an 80.
 
And by the way....I'm sure they exist due to intense aftermarket mods.....but I personally have not seen an FJC yet that will out-wheel my 100 (and especially my 80). Durability is not at the same level as a LC.

I definitely agree with Shotts here. The FJ, although cool looking to some, is not ever going to be in the some class as an 80 or 100 series wheeler. It is not built as beefy, and has the WORST visibility of any "off road" vehicle I have ever driven.
That being said, i am buying an '06 FJ for the wife this weekend.:) What's a guy to do...

TK
 
I've been test driving the Fj's for a while now to find the right one, and visibility is my biggest gripe.
I'll admit that the style is growing on me, but the 40 and the 80 will see all of the off road time and my wife will be happy to have a "new" Toyota.

TK
 
AKcruiserfreak said:
I've been test driving the Fj's for a while now to find the right one, and visibility is my biggest gripe.
I'll admit that the style is growing on me, but the 40 and the 80 will see all of the off road time and my wife will be happy to have a "new" Toyota.

TK
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Robbie on the FJ team says he hears the gripe out visibility all the time. He told me if you learn to use the mirrors,its not an issue :D
 
Nay said:
Buy a real offroad rig and get a four door Rubicon Unlimited.
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Umm...sure, right after hell freezes over. The FJ may have its limitatins, but it's still a Toyota which means it will outlast a Heep 3 to 1.
Romer, I guess I will have to learn what those big shiny things are sometime soon.:) I just am so used to cranking my neck around, I don't even think about mirrors.

TK
 
landtank said:
I wheeled with a Rubicon recently, what a pile of crap. The FJ following was hands down a better wheeler.
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You know, I'm one of the most die hard toyota fans out there, worked for the company, and can really appreciate the quality difference over most other companies.

Yes, I do believe the Jeep is nowhere near the Toyota in quality and on road drivability, HOWEVER, some (4wheeler mag) independant testers (more than one) in certain off-road circumstances ( ie. when you MUST have a locker) the jeep will outperform the FJ.

As a whole, I believe the FJ is better, but I don't know if I really subscribe to the opinion that it is "hands down" a better wheeler. Harsh words when you're offroad to next one that's taking you down.
 
The FJ was in front of me and the Rubicon was in front of him. Now this was up in the north east so there isn't a lot of lines you can take, basically it's one and you all take it. Both the FJ and Rubicon were lifting tires but the Rubicon was constantly rubbing tires and when you look at the pics it had almost no flex on the front axle. The truck looked stock to me and I'd say it needed some work to get it down the trail the way I'd expect it to behave. Who knows, maybe the owner made some changes that weren't thought threw completely and that's why it was performing so badly. Admittedly I don't know the product well enough to realize subtle changes if they were there. So maybe this one truck isn't a good indicator of the product as a whole.
 
landtank said:
I wheeled with a Rubicon recently, what a pile of crap. The FJ following was hands down a better wheeler.
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A stock TJ of any type is useless, because all Jeeps come with tiny tires. With similar mods, say a 4" lift, there is no comparison when you improve the wheelbase and drivetrain with the Rubicon Unlimited.

Well, there is a comparison if you choose to do one, but the FJ Cruiser will only come out ahead in perceived build quality and silly colors.

You guys need to see a Rubi Unlimited on 33's walk a climb that sets an FJ40 on 38's back with a busted tierod rather than focusing on morons who don't even understand what it means to disconnect a swaybar when you have an electronic swaybar disconnect button staring you in the face.

What Toyota does so very well (and Jeep does not except for the Rubicon) is create platforms that get to the "95% capable" without mucking up the base vehicle. You can stick 35's on a 3" lift on an 80, regear the diffs, and have a shockingly capable dual purpose rig that is at home everywhere except for extreme trails.

The 100 is also 95% capable. So is the FJ Cruiser and the 3rd Gen Runner on 33" tires. That is because 95% of the trails don't require anything extreme. When you want to push into that last 5% is when you need to ask these type of questions. The last 5% contains 99.99% of the suffering. How you choose to suffer doesn't much matter.

The way I see 100 vs. 80 vs. FJ Cruiser is simple. If you can stomach looking at a 100 or FJ Cruiser every day you should buy one.
 
my comments were based on viewing two stock trucks. What their capabilities are after doing a bunch of mods I wouldn't know. It was actually my 14 yo son who first asked about the tire rubbing and then pointed it out to me when he saw the photos on my computer. I see tire rubbing on what is supposed to be a stellar off-road performer as poor design at the most basic level.
 
Sounds like the root of this comparison pops up again.

Stock vs. Modded. If you went PURELY on stock platforms, the FJC with the stock rock rails, ATRAC, etc would be able to out perform the 80 (stock) without damage. Since an 80 and 100 do not have offroad armor, they would hang up or get body damage faster...even if they could "go farther."

The Rubicon would also be ahead in the game at this point since it is locked and has an electronic sway bar disconnect + stock MTRs . I have seen stock Rubis fairly deep in Tellico. I have seen them climb some rocks as well (this was a rental...don't ask, don't tell).

So, what happens if you mod them?

FJC + OME + 33s = VERY capable truck
80 + OME + 33s + sliders = VERY capable truck
100 + OME + 33s + sliders (add front bumper and it becomes even more equal) = VERY capable truck
Rubicon + lift + 33s + sliders = VERY capable truck

Wow, look at that...

I still think it is mostly the driver at this point in the game. They become completely different once you go past this point since you mod and play to the advantages of each platform. I would wager I could get any of the above configurations through most trails with no issue. Spotting and driving matter more than the mods once you get the basics installed.
 
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