What have you done to your 200 Series this week?

[siberian]

@gaijin thank you for taking the time. I've included the two charts you mention above to the seller and asked for specific assurances that this will or will not fit BEFORE I mount them. It's specifically mentioned it does, I just want to see what they counter with given your information

Domo arigato gozaimas!

siberian (who just came back from Japan and married 53+ years to an American Okinawan)

 

[gaijin]

@gaijin thank you for taking the time. I've included the two charts you mention above to the seller and asked for specific assurances that this will or will not fit BEFORE I mount them. It's specifically mentioned it does, I just want to see what they counter with given your information

Domo arigato gozaimas!

siberian (who just came back from Japan and married 53+ years to an American Okinawan)

Dou itashimashite.

Please bear in mind that your stock 18" rims have a +60 offset. I'm sure the +12 offset wheels will "fit" but with some compromises different from stock. Best case, they will just sling dirt, stones, etc. up onto the sides of your new truck because they stick out beyond the mud guards. Worst case, they will adversely affect vehicle handling and, under some circumstances, rub against body parts.

If you want to stay stock, then honestly your best bet for 18" wheels is to find a set of new or near new Tundra/Land Cruiser take-offs. They are relatively cheap, the correct specs (offset, Load Rating, etc.), and will be the best fit for your vehicle.

While you are asking the vendor about the wheels, you might want to ask them how they recommend you use those extended valve stems in conjunction with the TPMS sensors. That may convince you about the depth of their ignorance concerning your application. Hint: those extended valve stems will definitely not fit.

In any case, have fun with the new LC200 and all the new parts you will enjoy adding to it. Again, I'm just trying to give you as much info as I can so you get the best performance from your new truck.

HTH

 

[siberian]

This sounds like a major case of "kaoga tsubureru"

Any idea why the 105 series TPMS is not mentioned in either Denso's or RockAuto's website for the 2021 LC but the 106 series is recommended? Confused now as to which to order. Not sure how vendor is going to swallow the 400 bucks shipping cost...

siberian

 

[siberian]

Here is their reply:

You are correct that the wheels will poke out more than stock. Due to the wheels being 9" width and 12mm offset, we describe them as being more aggressive and that they will stick out past the fenders. As you showed in the screenshot, compared to stock, the outside will stick out 61mm (2 13/32") more than the stock wheels. We see in your screenshot it states to make sure you have enough room. We have a tire size guide in the listing that shows the recommended tire size for the wheels and for your vehicle. Please see attached. With stock suspension and to prevent rubbing, we recommend these sizes: 255/60R18, 265/60R18, 275/60R18. If you are planning to put 285/60R18 tires, you may experience some rubbing. It looks like your tire size is not listed under the green "no lift required" section. It is roughly 1/2" wider and 1/2" taller than 275/60R18. We have not tested your tire size so we do not know for sure. We hope that information helps. If you have any other questions or concerns, don't hesitate to let us know.

These will be using 22560R18 Nokian studded. Thanks for your advice

siberian

 

[gaijin]

This sounds like a major case of "kaoga tsubureru"

Any idea why the 105 series TPMS is not mentioned in either Denso's or RockAuto's website for the 2021 LC but the 106 series is recommended? Confused now as to which to order. Not sure how vendor is going to swallow the 400 bucks shipping cost...

siberian

Because the 5500105 part is the wrong part.

These are the Toyota vehicles RockAuto says are a fit for the 5500105:

Note that the 2021 Land Cruiser is NOT one of the vehicles that part will fit.

And here are the vehicles that fit the 5500106 part:

Note that your 2021 Land Cruiser is supported.

Just so the story is complete, let's start with the facts:

The Toyota OEM TPMS sensor part number for a 2021 LC200 is 42607-48010:

If you don't want to buy directly from Toyota, the equivalent from Denso is 550-0106:

That same Denso part from RockAuto:

Note the helpful install info at the bottom which explains about the OEM equivalent is a "RELEARN" type sensor.

What I don't know, and I hope others who have purchased the Denso sensor can chime in with more info, is whether you would also have to purchase a "fit Kit" for the sensors:

It appears to me that the sensor direct from Toyota comes with these extra bits, but they are not shown in the pics from Denso.

HTH

 

[siberian]

I saw that, it was just that @GrouchyTech mentioned them

DENSO 5500105 Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) Sensor | Shop Now at RockAuto

DENSO Wheel Parts and More for Your Vehicle at Reliably Low Prices. Fast Online Catalog. DIY-Easy. Your Choice of Quality. Full Manufacturer Warranty.

www.rockauto.com

Any thoughts as to whether the 225s would attenuate some of the concerns re. rims?

siberian

 

[eatSleepWoof]

K9 roof bars install. Anyone have any ideas on how to cut down on the whistling and wind noise with an aftermarket rack? I feel I may be designing an air dam until I put my tent up there.

The majority of the noise is likely coming from the open tracks inside the bars. Test this by putting a piece of tape across every opening (check the underside of the bars too).

If that solves your noise issue, get rubber inserts that go into those tracks and "fill" the holes. Rhino Rack has these for their own bars, and they might work for your K9 bars too.

 

[siberian]

@gaijin , I do have plenty of time to return them if it's really a no go, just unsure if I will have to eat the $400 bucks shipping (again). Thank you again for your thoughts

BTW the 106 does NOT come with a lift kit. Is it necessary as I would "assume" that if it's made for the vehicle it wouldn't need it

siberian

 

[GrouchyTech]

Because the 5500105 part is the wrong part.

These are the Toyota vehicles RockAuto says are a fit for the 5500105:

View attachment 4053828

Note that the 2021 Land Cruiser is NOT one of the vehicles that part will fit.

And here are the vehicles that fit the 5500106 part:

View attachment 4053831

Note that your 2021 Land Cruiser is supported.

Just so the story is complete, let's start with the facts:

The Toyota OEM TPMS sensor part number for a 2021 LC200 is 42607-48010:

View attachment 4053832

If you don't want to buy directly from Toyota, the equivalent from Denso is 550-0106:

View attachment 4053837

That same Denso part from RockAuto:

View attachment 4053838

Note the helpful install info at the bottom which explains about the OEM equivalent is a "RELEARN" type sensor.

What I don't know, and I hope others who have purchased the Denso sensor can chime in with more info, is whether you would also have to purchase a "fit Kit" for the sensors:

View attachment 4053844

It appears to me that the sensor direct from Toyota comes with these extra bits, but they are not shown in the pics from Denso.

HTH

Sorry, I looked up LX sensors for 2017 for some reason.

Regarding the TPMS hardware, Toyota sensors are packaged individually and the service/install kit is separate.

 

[gaijin]

I saw that, it was just that @GrouchyTech mentioned them



Any thoughts as to whether the 225s would attenuate some of the concerns re. rims?

siberian

Maybe I missed it, but specifically what tire are you talking about when you say "225" ?

 

[gaijin]

Here is their reply:

You are correct that the wheels will poke out more than stock. Due to the wheels being 9" width and 12mm offset, we describe them as being more aggressive and that they will stick out past the fenders. As you showed in the screenshot, compared to stock, the outside will stick out 61mm (2 13/32") more than the stock wheels. We see in your screenshot it states to make sure you have enough room. We have a tire size guide in the listing that shows the recommended tire size for the wheels and for your vehicle. Please see attached. With stock suspension and to prevent rubbing, we recommend these sizes: 255/60R18, 265/60R18, 275/60R18. If you are planning to put 285/60R18 tires, you may experience some rubbing. It looks like your tire size is not listed under the green "no lift required" section. It is roughly 1/2" wider and 1/2" taller than 275/60R18. We have not tested your tire size so we do not know for sure. We hope that information helps. If you have any other questions or concerns, don't hesitate to let us know.

These will be using 22560R18 Nokian studded. Thanks for your advice

siberian

OK I missed this post.

First off, the 225/60R18 104R XL tires have a maximum load of only 1,984 pounds @42psi. They are also 9% smaller in diameter than the stock tire. Minimum Laod Limit is 2,512 pounds. These tires cannot carry the load of your LC200, will make your speedometer read about 9% faster than stock, etc., etc. - not a safe option.

The 265/60R18 114T XL Nokian Hakkapeliitta 10 SUV studded tires have a maximum load of 2,524 pounds @41psi so they can carry the load of your LC200, but just barely. They are about 3% smaller in diameter than your stock tires and look like they will not have any clearance problems, but the scrub radius is increased and they will throw your speedometer off about 3% faster than actual.

I could not immediately find any 275/60R18 studded tires - you may have better luck finding something.

I did find a P275/65R18 114S SL tire that is studdable (there may be others out there) that has a Load Limit of 2,535 pounds @33psi. They will comfortably manage the load of your LC200 and at a much lower (read comfortable) tire pressure. They are about 1.9% larger in diameter than your stock tires, but look like the decreased tread width will just allow for adequate fender clearance. See these tires here on TireRack:

And here's what the clearances look like (Note: I'm still not happy with the increased scrub radius):

But honestly, I'm not comfortable recommending any tire for those +12 offset wheels. If you are stuck with them, I'd try to find something in the 275/65R18 size that you like. You can always hit me up for a recommended tire pressure for whatever you finally settle on.

HTH

 

[TeCKis300]

You are correct that the wheels will poke out more than stock. Due to the wheels being 9" width and 12mm offset, we describe them as being more aggressive and that they will stick out past the fenders. As you showed in the screenshot, compared to stock, the outside will stick out 61mm (2 13/32") more than the stock wheels. We see in your screenshot it states to make sure you have enough room. We have a tire size guide in the listing that shows the recommended tire size for the wheels and for your vehicle. Please see attached. With stock suspension and to prevent rubbing, we recommend these sizes: 255/60R18, 265/60R18, 275/60R18. If you are planning to put 285/60R18 tires, you may experience some rubbing. It looks like your tire size is not listed under the green "no lift required" section. It is roughly 1/2" wider and 1/2" taller than 275/60R18. We have not tested your tire size so we do not know for sure. We hope that information helps. If you have any other questions or concerns, don't hesitate to let us know.

These will be using 22560R18 Nokian studded. Thanks for your advice

siberian

While most focus on physical fitment (which is bad at +12mm and will likely impact fenders in any real articulation), you might want to know it could be the least of the concerns. Offset is integral to suspension geometry. Meaning poor offset will affect things like scrub radius and ackermann that affect handling. Factors that are important for handling traction, perhaps more so on low grip surfaces.

As the wheels turn, the geometries will be impacted such that it forces slip between the steering tires as they no longer work exactly together to steer the car. What was once a stable car negotiating turns, may tend to slide out more easily and earlier even at low speeds negotiating a simple corner. That same slip makes for poor tire wear. It also makes for busy steering feedback that is fatiguing to drive.

 

[Land Stalker]

Surprised to see so much talk about +12 offset with so many running even lower 0 offset.

Also, so many good looking wheels in LC bolt pattern being only available in 0 offset, like Nomad Sahara.

Lets be realistic, most will never flex their rigs enough to even come close to the fenders. Costco speedbumps are not that large.

Sure, but those are built rigs. Look at what he's considering... +12 doesn't make sense. I'm running +25 17" x 8.5"s with KO3 275/70s, and my tires are right on the edge, just slightly proud, and again that's with only 10.8" tire width. Small amount of harmless rub full lock in reverse, but with an extra .5" -or possibly even up to 1.2", if the OP goes with a more standard sized tire- I'd have to start chopping. Which isn't the end of the world, but unless I misread the vibe, this doesn't appear to be that involved an upgrade...

 

[siberian]

OK I've sent them a cancel order; the only sticky point will I assume be the shipping which was over 400 bucks with FedEx. I've cancelled the valve stems and TPMS and ordered the 106 Densos with a separate lift kit (6 bucks and change). Anyone have some suggesiton as to where to find 18" 0 offset rims please ping me.

Here is their reply:

We are sorry to hear you want to return the wheels and we understand your concerns. We understand how frustrating it can be when something technically fits, but doesn't give you the look you expected. A simple way to think about this is like ordering a phone case that’s listed as compatible with your phone model. The case fits and functions exactly as designed, but once it’s installed, you realize it adds more bulk than you personally wanted. In that situation, the product is compatible, but the end result doesn’t match the customer’s preference. In your case, the wheels are compatible with your vehicle and installs as a 9" width wheel with +12 offset would. The width/offset is intentionally designed to create a wider, more aggressive stance and make the wheels extend past the fender. This is noted in the listing. Please give us some time to get you a quote for the return shipping cost and provide you with return labels. Thank you, Mike

Will keep you posted with my thanks

siberian

 

[Nothinghead]

“What have (are) you done (going to do) to your 200 Series this (next) week?”​

With Mrs Claus taking the kids to visit family after Christmas, I’m staying home to complete a refresh/upgrade to the suspension courtesy of Mr. T, Perry Parts, JPanime, ToyTec and @turbo8.

 

[siberian]

So interesting, freight up here was $400 and change; return is $200. Accepted, refund minus freight. Back to search for some rims.

Now concerning the 225 Nokia tires; the car will be hardly loaded apart from taking the kids to the vet in case of emergency. So I don't think a single driver 99% of the time will take it over the limit with just groceries or dog food. These are winter tires where the roads are better than summer since all the potholes are now filled with snow. Traction and resistance are the operative words not off roading

siberian

 

[Supra Turbo]

Sure, but those are built rigs. Look at what he's considering... +12 doesn't make sense. I'm running +25 17" x 8.5"s with KO3 275/70s, and my tires are right on the edge, just slightly proud, and again that's with only 10.8" tire width. Small amount of harmless rub full lock in reverse, but with an extra .5" -or possibly even up to 1.2", if the OP goes with a more standard sized tire- I'd have to start chopping. Which isn't the end of the world, but unless I misread the vibe, this doesn't appear to be that involved an upgrade...

We do not know if he is planning any other modifications, like massaging plastics or chopping.

Neither do we know what lift he will be running which will also have impact. I would not even consider any of the above that involved at all. Not until we start talking BMC, and even then.

Is 0 offset ideal, not particularly. But depends on how one uses the rig, to what extent one is wanting to modify it and what they prefer looks wise.

My recommendation would be a 2" or less lift and +35-40 offset wheels for optimal compromise between performance and looks.

 

[Ratchey]

So interesting, freight up here was $400 and change; return is $200. Accepted, refund minus freight. Back to search for some rims.

Now concerning the 225 Nokia tires; the car will be hardly loaded apart from taking the kids to the vet in case of emergency. So I don't think a single driver 99% of the time will take it over the limit with just groceries or dog food. These are winter tires where the roads are better than summer since all the potholes are now filled with snow. Traction and resistance are the operative words not off roading

siberian

I ran 265/60r18 Blizzaks on my LX for a couple of seasons and it looked ridiculous. And the Speedometer was off nearly 9mph at 70.
I now run 275/65r18 Blizzaks and they look right and the speedometer is spot on.
Those 225s will be much worse looking and far less surface traction.

 

[dudemancool1904]

oil and filter change, 5 tire rotation, and coolant change. I just did the radiator, managed to get just about under 2 gallons out which is close to half. Having shop access is great for cleanliness and visibility but the actual oil change and tire shuffle is a little easier right off the ground vs on a lift.

 

[Land Stalker]

We do not know if he is planning any other modifications, like massaging plastics or chopping.

Neither do we know what lift he will be running which will also have impact. I would not even consider any of the above that involved at all. Not until we start talking BMC, and even then.

Is 0 offset ideal, not particularly. But depends on how one uses the rig, to what extent one is wanting to modify it and what they prefer looks wise.

My recommendation would be a 2" or less lift and +35-40 offset wheels for optimal compromise between performance and looks.

These are 17" x 8.5" +25 wheels running 275/70R17 KO3s... the 10.8" spec'd width seems pretty accurate, the 32.2" spec'd diameter seems very, very conservative, as they are taller than my previous 265/70R18 Destination A/T2s which were an honest 32.6". No lift, there is some very slight rub at full lock in reverse when the truck is under heavy compression.

Personally, I think this is the sweet spot, unless you want to get into a lift...