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How would you describe the effort it takes to get it started? My 32/36 DGV Weber on the 2.4L inline-4 is sensitive to the amount of choke, and mine is a manual choke, which gives me a hand-control on the dash, but, it gets tricky when it is in the teens F., or colder.

My 38/38 is also Manuel choke. I feel this is my biggest challenge as it is also very sensitive.

Morning cold procedure above 35 degrees:
Pull choke approx 1/2
Turk key on wait one second,
Pump twice
Crank and apply light throttle for count of 15 -20
Set heater to high speed
Walk away.

20 Degree cold start
Pull choke 3/4
Turn key and wait one second
Pump twice
Crank while pumping occasionally until it hits and runs/ dies a couple times (I counted today approx 40 seconds of cranking)
Crank again applying throttle until it runs
Hold at approx 1500 rpm for 15 -20 count
Apply brick to keep rpm at approx 1000~
Set heater to high speed
Walk away

My idle is set a little high, somewhere around 750-800

Let it run 5-10 minutes depending on time with kids

Drive to work with toasty feet and cold ears trying not to spill my coffee on myself
 
My Weber reacted similarly. I do now have Sniper EFI, it was in the teens a few weeks ago, in between 60*and 50* days. For the real interest to see how it started… it was outstanding…within 3 seconds it started, gave a little pedal and it took about 8-10 seconds to stabilize and ran beautifully. Have not touched it for a while but I am SUPER happy with it
 
As much as I grew to loathe the 32/36 DGAE(?) Weber I had, it definitely started like a boss. One pump and it fired up like it had somewhere to be no matter the temps.

Kind of miss the electric choke but not the constant tinkering with that female dog in heat.
 
I've never had trouble with the 2F non-USA Aisan, or OE 2F Aisan carb for cold starting. Just pull the choke, turn the key, and optimize the idle with the choke button, no gas pedal involved. The 2F does not like too much throttle on a cold day, fresh out of the stable. It needs choke at idle, but, it likes an open choke butterfly when mashing the gas in at a green light. I installed a choke cable, from my Weber conversion kit, to function like a hand-throttle, so I don't need a brick to operate the gas. However, my throttle linkage springs and what not kinda pull the choke button back in, or there there is too much slop in the factory throttle linkage, and it settles back down to rpm.

My non-choked idle was set at 600 in the summer, 100 rpm and much quiter than the 700 rpm Holley Sniper idle minimum.

I used to think that the cold intake manifold was the problem. Because engine coolant temp can be cold, but, if the engine ran within the last hour or so, the motor runs strong. The carb makes larger fuel droplets in the cold, and the primary barrel feeding the carb is all the way to the one side of the carb spacer. Sharp corners are less desirable than a laminar-flow. Running headers, cold intake manifold.

However, I'v never tested for vacuum in the cold. Running a cold 2F, there is a rougness, like one cylinder isn't firing as strong as the others, then it goes away. I wonder if the engine isn't sealing up like it is supposed to, on the rings side. I know the cylinders have wear, I can see it. The dry compression numbers were low, I didn't perform a wet compression test. The same cold-running symptom is observed when the plugs are fouled, maybe the plug fouls in the cold, and burns itself clean when warm?

My spark plugs are always getting fouled, but, I usually get to them before they make a roughness to the otherwise smooth-as-a-Singer-sewing-machine 2F. I never 'pump' or prime the carb with throttle (only tap the throttle when doing a hot-start), so it can't be flooding the intake from my doing, just the drip from the hot carb in the summer makes a puddle of fuel after the car is shut-dow. I think that oil-varnish is burning off of the plugs, oil getting sucked in on the intake stroke, via the rings. The plugs have a shadow of deposit, like only one side is really black.

The neat thing is most of my engine issues seem to be improving on their own. Oil consumption is not as bad as when I put the motor in service. I run the lowest viscosity oil that the Owner's Manual will spec. I always buy gasoline with additives, or add something to the tank. The latest Valvoline formula, Restore and Protect, is supposed to free rings of deposits - like an engine oil flush, but having anti-wear, and anti-friction properties, unlike an engine-oil-flush. I'm uncertain if the 2F soft seals are compatible with this synthetic formula. Lucas fuel injector cleaner, bottle of Techron, or MMO in the tank should also improve clean ring sealing, and I'm already on that track. Before the engine was on the frame, I had MMO in the crankcase for a month or so, it stripped the varnish from the lower half of the dipstick, but, I'm not going to stack-up miles with oil diluted with MMO, it will contribute to wear. I know that the rings are vulnerable, because oil in the combustion chamber is always a bad thing, but, the shiny black plugs that I once had to clean are no where as bad as they were when I first started with the always fresh and additive improved gas, fresh oil, and hand-cleaned spark plugs maintenance routine.
 
I seem to remember @Skreddy having a cold start sniper video on his 40?

If not maybe he can post us one. I’m sure it’s cold wherever he is.

Every day I cold start mine I dream of efi. Then it warms up and I drive it and it’s as good as I can ask for, for a tractor motor. Hot starts are fantastic.
I have it in my head and parts collection pile that if/ when it gets EFI it will be the V8 flavor.

Fun story- yesterday I had a meeting at 4:00 I had forgot about, was driving the 40 as per the norm. At 4:05 I was Reminded of said meeting (which is across town) I hurried to the cruiser, fired it up and put my foot on the throttle to keep it going. Keep in mind it hasn’t ran since 7:00am and it’s 30 degrees out.
Called the place and apologized and zoomed across town. Maybe 30 seconds of warm up time before I got on the road.

40 ran like a champ and got me there. Toes were even toasty when I pulled in.

In the meeting about 40 minutes, came out, clutched it and it fired up and purred waiting for more.
 
There is a short linkage on the Weber DGV that kicks-up the fast-idle. It is bent from the factory. I bent mine even more so that I can run with less choke but more idle rpm. There is a straight linkage between the throttle shaft and the choke on the 38/38.
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There is a short linkage on the Weber DGV that kicks-up the fast-idle. It is bent from the factory. I bent mine even more so that I can run with less choke but more idle rpm. There is a straight linkage between the throttle shaft and the choke on the 38/38.
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Noted I need to look at that. Mine definitely does not have fast idle
 
With that brick, it sounds like you need more fuel-charge. I'd install a hand-throttle if you can find a factory one, or home-brew a choke cable for one. That and the fast-idle adjustment will certainly help, if the 38/38 will take to modification.
 
man i do not miss my webers at all.

i went with a nonusa oem and never looked back. the choke cable is set up so out to the detent is no choke just idle up, the remaining half pull chokes it.
full choke to fire it, then back to no choke idle up.
 
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man i do not miss my webers at all.

i went with a nonusa oem and never looked back. the choke cable is set up so out to the detent is no choke just idle, up the remaining pull chokes it.
full choke to fire it, then back to no choke idle up.

That’s definitely a solid cold start.

Is that a city racer carb?
 
The vacuum pipe to the choke breaker on the OEM USA carbs is super helpful on startups. The choke butterfly can be closed by the cable, but, it opens up with the presence of engine vacuum. The choke button can be either in or out, but, the carb doesn't need the middle-position. It appears that you can install one on the china-carb, Fuji, or OEM non-USA Aisan (NLA, iiac), sourced from an original OE-smog carb (if it sill is good). I'd be interested to see if a new AC Delco-type distributor diaphragm can be modified to perform the choke breaker-function on an Aisan-type carb. They don't come with the various rebuild kits.

When I ran the original carb with choke breaker, it was a no-brainer start-up that even someone unfamiliar with the car can make work, first try. I need the choke butterfly closed to perform a cold-start, and I'm at an altitude of about 7,000-feet.
 
That’s definitely a solid cold start.

Is that a city racer carb?
i bought it from him, but its the oem version not the aftermarket version.

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I seem to remember @Skreddy having a cold start sniper video on his 40?

If not maybe he can post us one. I’m sure it’s cold wherever he is.

Every day I cold start mine I dream of efi. Then it warms up and I drive it and it’s as good as I can ask for, for a tractor motor. Hot starts are fantastic.
I have it in my head and parts collection pile that if/ when it gets EFI it will be the V8 flavor.

Fun story- yesterday I had a meeting at 4:00 I had forgot about, was driving the 40 as per the norm. At 4:05 I was Reminded of said meeting (which is across town) I hurried to the cruiser, fired it up and put my foot on the throttle to keep it going. Keep in mind it hasn’t ran since 7:00am and it’s 30 degrees out.
Called the place and apologized and zoomed across town. Maybe 30 seconds of warm up time before I got on the road.

40 ran like a champ and got me there. Toes were even toasty when I pulled in.

In the meeting about 40 minutes, came out, clutched it and it fired up and purred waiting for more.
I don’t think I have a cold start video with the sniper. I’ll see if I can get one today when we head out for a Christmas tree. It’s like 30 F here.
 
I’ll add, my sniper startups can be finicky. Almost always, it starts great but on occasion it starts and chugs around 500 rpm and dies. Will fire right back up but I have to give it some pedal to get the rpm’s up to 1000 or so, then it’ll stay. Almost like the iac can’t compensate sometimes. I haven’t looked into it at all, seems to happen mostly when I haven’t driven it for a few weeks or more.
 
Today I worked on a little bit of the weather strip project.

The biggest air inlet is the hardtop is only about 20% sealed to the fiberglass cap. I need to finish my drip rail and seal it to the windshield mount.

However my son did steer us home the other night.

And my old pup reminds me how fortunate I am.

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