What are People Doing These Days for Fuel Tank Inlet Pipe (77201-60350)

[Kernal]

For comparizon a FZJ80 (Petrol) has a flapper valve at the fill end of the pipe which is pushed open by the gas/petrol sized fuel nozzle:

Anyone with a FZJ80 (at least a US spec model?) has seen this every time they fill up, but FWIW:

Screwdriver used to partially open the flapper valve:

 

[Irish Reiver]

Any one know what the purpose of the flapper valve is? I assume it is not to stop gas fumes evaporating or to seal the tank. Those functions would surely be part of the fuel caps job.
Also is the throat on the diesel pipe wider than the gas pipe? I recall something about 1 being wider than the other so you couldn't fill your tank with the wrong fuel.

 

[BILT4ME]

Any one know what the purpose of the flapper valve is? I assume it is not to stop gas fumes evaporating or to seal the tank. Those functions would surely be part of the fuel caps job.
Also is the throat on the diesel pipe wider than the gas pipe? I recall something about 1 being wider than the other so you couldn't fill your tank with the wrong fuel.

They started installing these on vehicle in the late 1970's. There were implications of emissions (help reduce expulsion of vapors) as well as reducing gasoline theft. Yes, the size of the hole was to prevent anyone from dumping leaded gas into an unleaded only vehicle.

Diesel fuel has less vapors (higher vapor pressure) and is less likely to vent vapors rapidly. Think of what it would be like at elevation with ethanol gasoline without that flap!

 

[MYSHERPA]

I guess it would make the old moving a section of garden hose up and down to siphon gas more of a pain in the butt.

 

[Irish Reiver]

Just to add an update since I was the OP. I ended up buying a new diesel filler pipe from our friends in Dubai. I had decided to lift the body and swap out all the body mounts at the same time. Lifting the body was the land cruiser equivalent of Pandora box as all manner of evilness was exposed. Ended up with a replacement tank from @slow95z , new tank straps and a week or 2 of welding in new panels. It fit together very nice but work has kept me so busy it hasn't moved since it rolled into my garage on 1 March last year.
How long does something need to sit in the garage before it's technically a "barn find"

 

[taylort232]

actually none. people have been buying those since i started doing this 10 years ago. those rusty states have been buying then forever.

the biggest issue is i tell people, over and over, that you simply cannot install it without lifting the body. i charge 150 more to remove it as one piece. they make a big stink about not wanting a cut one. i remove it whole for them, and it cost 3 times as much to ship that way, then they call me a week later asking how to get it in because it doesnt fit... idiots.

How hard is it to lift the body to squeeze one of these in? I live in N FL, and am about to order a diesel one because mine's developed a leak, and I don't really see another way. I see you're in Dublin - any chance you'd be interested in doing it for me?

 

[slow95z]

I have one and could do it for you but it's a real pain. You need to pull the interior to get to the bolts. Not a 5 minute job

 

[taylort232]

maybe this is a dumb question, but lots of cars come with flexible fuel hose from the factory. Why not just cut the rusted steel out and run a flexible hose to the tank?

 

[Old Nick]

As many will know the fuel tank inlet pipe has been discontinued by Mr. T. My guess is that there probably isn't many good second hand ones on the market and going by the posts in the wanted section there appears to be a few people who were looking but no obvious sign that they found one.
So what are people doing when theirs is damaged or rusted out? Are there any aftermarket suppliers or even maybe a mud member who is making these? The pipe work doesn't look very complicated so I wondered if a decent exhaust shop could fabricate one.

Interested to hear your solutions.

I got a new OEM one from Japan - from the auction site. Looked all over the place. When that one popped up, I grabbed it.

 

[Rusty Cruiser]

I recently installed a new aftermarket inlet pipe from CruiserParts. It seems to be an exact copy of the OEM version and it was less costly than what several people quoted me for a used OEM part. It seems a few people say to avoid CruiserParts but my experience was positive. As far as install goes, I was able to get the old one disconnected and out without lifting the body. I already had the spare tire removed and the rear portion of the exhaust out so that likely helped. To get the new one in I loosened the rear three sets of body mounts and then used a very large pry bar in between the rear crossmember and body to slightly lift the body enough to squeeze the tank side of the pipe between the body and crossmember where the mounting holes are.

 

[taylort232]

I recently installed a new aftermarket inlet pipe from CruiserParts. It seems to be an exact copy of the OEM version and it was less costly than what several people quoted me for a used OEM part. It seems a few people say to avoid CruiserParts but my experience was positive. As far as install goes, I was able to get the old one disconnected and out without lifting the body. I already had the spare tire removed and the rear portion of the exhaust out so that likely helped. To get the new one in I loosened the rear three sets of body mounts and then used a very large pry bar in between the rear crossmember and body to slightly lift the body enough to squeeze the tank side of the pipe between the body and crossmember where the mounting holes are.

Thanks for the note. It looks like the cruiser parts one is a clean used take off. How long did the install take you?

 

[Rusty Cruiser]

Thanks for the note. It looks like the cruiser parts one is a clean used take off. How long did the install take you?

This is the one I bought. It is a new reproduction part. https://shop.cruiserparts.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=77921
Hard to say on how long it took...I removed the old one before ordering a new one. I would guess if I was doing it start to finish 5-6 hours.

 

[Old Nick]

Bought from this fella in Japan (no affiliation).

Pardon Our Interruption...

I know that buying from sellers on Eghey can be sketchy, but this one came through for me.

 

[taylort232]

This is the one I bought. It is a new reproduction part. https://shop.cruiserparts.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=77921
Hard to say on how long it took...I removed the old one before ordering a new one. I would guess if I was doing it start to finish 5-6 hours.

Will this fit a 97? It says 93-94

 

[Rusty Cruiser]

Will this fit a 97? It says 93-94

Mine is a 95 and it seems to be the same as the OEM one. I believe the only difference is the lack of the little flapper inside that keeps you from being able to stick a full size diesel nozzle into the filler.

 

[cruiserdan]

Bought from this fella in Japan (no affiliation).

Pardon Our Interruption...

I know that buying from sellers on Eghey can be sketchy, but this one came through for me.

Will this fit a 97? It says 93-94

Mine is a 95 and it seems to be the same as the OEM one. I believe the only difference is the lack of the little flapper inside that keeps you from being able to stick a full size diesel nozzle into the filler.

To clarify, this neck is indeed a diesel neck and does not have the unleaded fuel nozzle restrictor. This can be an issue in a gas truck where emissions testing is taken seriously. Obviously that doesn't happen everywhere but it is important to consider.

Note #2, the restrictor is not there to prevent diesel from being dispensed into a gas truck. It is there to prevent leaded gasoline from being dispensed into a gas truck.

 

[Old Nick]

To clarify, this neck is indeed a diesel neck and does not have the unleaded fuel nozzle restrictor. This can be an issue in a gas truck where emissions testing is taken seriously. Obviously that doesn't happen everywhere but it is important to consider.

Note #2, the restrictor is not there to prevent diesel from being dispensed into a gas truck. It it there to prevent leaded gasoline from being dispensed into a gas truck.

Thank you very much for that.

Luckily, no emissions testing in these parts, but I'm glad to know this information.

 

[mudgudgeon]

Note #2, the restrictor is not there to prevent diesel from being dispensed into a gas truck. It is there to prevent leaded gasoline from being dispensed into a gas truck.

I'd wager that's a feature that is all but redundant these days.
Is leaded gas still sold anywhere?
Haven't seen a nozzle that isn't a standardized size in ages (excepting diesel nozzles in truck service lanes)

 

[cruiserdan]

Is leaded gas still sold anywhere?

Yes. Primarily at municipal airports and race tracks. The Utah Motorsports campus has pumps open to the public.

 

[mudgudgeon]

Interesting. I don't think its available at all in Australia, but I maybe wrong.