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[eatSleepWoof]

I find that having pressurized water is a high-level "comfort upgrade." I built & used this water tank/12v pump system in my Tacoma, and still have it:

Probably won't be able to fit it into the LX (although I haven't checked), but it'll definitely go into a camper trailer, whenever that happens in my life (down the line).

 

[Itsky]

Truth hurts.

No assumption necessary . Anybody buying flats of water bottles to go camping in their LC is creating a bunch of trash for no reason. There is an easy alternative. Why don’t your choose it?

 

[Markuson]

Truth hurts.

No assumption necessary . Anybody buying flats of water bottles to go camping in their LC is creating a bunch of trash for no reason. There is an easy alternative. Why don’t your choose it?

Truth is...balanced views are wiser that blanket accusations.

Do you roll down the window of your gas guzzler to tell folks they hate the environment too? hehe

PS. Wheeling isn’t camping.
I’m happy to fiddle with larger water containers sitting around camp and I do. But long days of hard wheeling? Sorry man. I shall continue to recycle where it makes sense.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

Truth hurts.

No assumption necessary . Anybody buying flats of water bottles to go camping in their LC is creating a bunch of trash for no reason. There is an easy alternative. Why don’t your choose it?

I'll bite.

I had the above ~80L potable water tank in my Tacoma when I drove from Vancouver to Death Valley this past April/May. We spent a few weeks on the road and refilled the tank two or three times. One time it was in a rest stop within a state/national park, which had potable water you could use to fill up. The other time it was a tiny, middle of nowhere town, just like the other tiny, middle of nowhere towns we had been passing (before and after) in that day. No water tap available anywhere that we could find, and the locals said that even if we found one, they wouldn't suggest drinking that water. So we went to the gas station and bought as much bottled water as we could, and used that. Some of it was in 1-gallon containers, some in 500ml bottles. All of the empties were recycled.

Bringing your own water in a water bottle is great, until that water runs out and you don't have a proper source to fill up. And what if you're traveling in parts of the world that don't have clean tap water? Plenty of such places in the US & Canada, not to mention Mexico and every country south of that.

I wouldn't immediately hate on someone with a plastic water bottle. What if that person is refilling that bottle, just as you're doing with your non-plastic one? I've done that many times, and there are times I still do, despite owning numerous stainless/aluminum water bottles.

I think people should take reasonable steps to not contribute unnecessary waste, but I don't agree with taking it to extremes, (such as "plastic bottle = bad") as that is a very slippery, and very long slope. If someone throws trash out on the ground, that's a problem. If someone chooses to drink from a plastic bottle, and then takes reasonable steps to correctly dispose of that bottle, I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Itsky]

Thread is about water.

Answer the questions I asked. What is your response without changing the subject?

 

[Itsky]

I'll bite.

I had the above ~80L potable water tank in my Tacoma when I drove from Vancouver to Death Valley this past April/May. We spent a few weeks on the road and refilled the tank two or three times. One time it was in a rest stop within a state/national park, which had potable water you could use to fill up. The other time it was a tiny, middle of nowhere town, just like the other tiny, middle of nowhere towns we had been passing (before and after) in that day. No water tap available anywhere that we could find, and the locals said that even if we found one, they wouldn't suggest drinking that water. So we went to the gas station and bought as much bottled water as we could, and used that. Some of it was in 1-gallon containers, some in 500ml bottles. All of the empties were recycled.

Bringing your own water in a water bottle is great, until that water runs out and you don't have a proper source to fill up. And what if you're traveling in parts of the world that don't have clean tap water? Plenty of such places in the US & Canada, not to mention Mexico and every country south of that.

I wouldn't immediately hate on someone with a plastic water bottle. What if that person is refilling that bottle, just as you're doing with your non-plastic one? I've done that many times, and there are times I still do, despite owning numerous stainless/aluminum water bottles.

I think people should take reasonable steps to not contribute unnecessary waste, but I don't agree with taking it to extremes, (such as "plastic bottle = bad") as that is a very slippery, and very long slope. If someone throws trash out on the ground, that's a problem. If someone chooses to drink from a plastic bottle, and then takes reasonable steps to correctly dispose of that bottle, I don't have a problem with that.

Fine. Your scenario makes sense and traveling abroad is a good point.

But, that’s not what’s up here. Dudes are talking about buying flats of water at home as their “solution”

 

[Itsky]

You said you pack plastic water bottles on “most trips” - what are you taking about? You’re dodging.

What does “wheeling” have to do with it? Are you insinuating you’re too tired to fill a reusable bottle because of“wheeling” ?(which is somehow more tiring than camping?)

Do I have that right?

 

[eatSleepWoof]

Fine. Your scenario makes sense and traveling abroad is a good point.

But, that’s not what’s up here. Dudes are talking about buying flats of water at home as their “solution”

Way before I ever heard the term "overlanding," my friends and I would go camping, and we would buy packs of bottled water. We all had water bottles, but none of them were large enough to hold us over even for a couple days. All of us lived in apartments, and no one had a jerry can, much less a dedicated, large-capacity water container. And with the vehicles we drove, they were packed to the brim, with water bottles scattered into every nook and cranny. No way would that same volume of water, in a single container, fit anywhere in the vehicle. Water bottles made sense.

With water bottles we were able to use only what was needed, and take the rest home. With a single container, any extra/remaining water would get dumped. That's also wasteful. You win some, you lose some.

What's practical and convenient for one person, may be completely impossible for another.

 

[Markuson]

You said you pack plastic water bottles on “most trips” - what are you taking about? You’re dodging.

What does “wheeling” have to do with it? Are you insinuating you’re too tired to fill a reusable bottle because of“wheeling” ?(which is somehow more tiring than camping?)

Do I have that right?

I guess you don’t realize how I use the term “wheeling.”

Wheeling is not simply camping, and it is not just a road trip. Far from it.

Wheeling:
-Ever bounce through Moab in a group of trucks for 11+ hours alone behind the wheel at 100+ degrees? Or bouncing through Baja for 8 days?

-When you do...you’ll understand what I mean by “wheeling.”

-I use a large gravity filter at home.
-I use a 5 gallon potable jerry can for drinking and coffee water in camp (refer to my bumper mods)

-But while actually WHEELING?
(See above term use description)
...I reach for a bottle in my door.

Closing edit:
My very wise wife just reminded me that it doesn’t matter what some guy on the internet wrongly assumes...so I shall heed her sage advice and leave you to your opinion.

 

[Itsky]

Way before I ever heard the term "overlanding," my friends and I would go camping, and we would buy packs of bottled water. We all had water bottles, but none of them were large enough to hold us over even for a couple days. All of us lived in apartments, and no one had a jerry can, much less a dedicated, large-capacity water container. And with the vehicles we drove, they were packed to the brim, with water bottles scattered into every nook and cranny. No way would that same volume of water, in a single container, fit anywhere in the vehicle. Water bottles made sense.

With water bottles we were able to use only what was needed, and take the rest home. With a single container, any extra/remaining water would get dumped. That's also wasteful. You win some, you lose some.

What's practical and convenient for one person, may be completely impossible for another.

In your scenario, I fail to see how this isn’t the solution.


And, are you comparing the environmental impact of plastic water bottles to that of excess water remaining from the end of your trip?

 

[Itsky]

I guess you don’t realize how I use the term “wheeling.”

Wheeling is not simply camping, and it is not just a road trip. Far from it.

Wheeling:
-Ever bounce through Moab in a group of trucks for 11+ hours alone behind the wheel at 100+ degrees? Or bouncing through Baja for 8 days?

-When you do...you’ll understand what I mean by “wheeling.”

-I use a large gravity filter at home.
-I use a 5 gallon potable jerry can for drinking and coffee water in camp (refer to my bumper mods)

-But while actually WHEELING?
(See above term use description)
...I reach for a bottle in my door.

Yes, I have. It’s still a waste and not the best solution.

Reusable bottles come in all shapes and sizes.

 

[KLF]

Not trying to contribute to the derailment of a thread, but...

Working on an academic environment I get to see all sorts of research reports, especially given that many of my students are enrolled in an Environmental Science program. One of the more sobering things I leaned last year in the Environmental Technology class that I taught was that although we all feel great about putting that water bottle (or whatever it is) into the proper recycling bin, a higher percentage than you would think of those bins then get dumped into the TRASH dumpster. Some of it is just it is a nuisance and the group collecting the items (store, municipality, individual, even a college campus housekeeping company) just can't be bothered. But, more often it is because someone didn't read the sign and threw something in the wrong bin, and once it is contaminated, the entire bin is considered trash. They just toss it into the regular dumpster.

My daughter worked a a LARGE grocery store chain as a cashier, and they had a bin in the front of the store where you could bring back your plastic bags and get recycled. Her job at the end of the night was to empty that bin into the regular trash dumpster.

So, unless you actually SEE the plastic bottle go into the shredder/recycler, I wouldn't count on it getting there.

We all make choices on lifestyle and products we buy.

 

[Markuson]

So back to the thread...

Here is my potable water source when stationary, or in camp, etc. The left two are just hose water for showers, or emergency. The one on the right is potable for drinking and coffee, etc when stationary on long spans in the boonies. Weird things can happen to mass water storage units though (tampering, fouling, leaking), so bottles also serve as excellent potable backups. In Baja for 8 days, they were very reassuring.

See ya around...

 

[Itsky]

Not trying to contribute to the derailment of a thread, but...

Working on an academic environment I get to see all sorts of research reports, especially given that many of my students are enrolled in an Environmental Science program. One of the more sobering things I leaned last year in the Environmental Technology class that I taught was that although we all feel great about putting that water bottle (or whatever it is) into the proper recycling bin, a higher percentage than you would think of those bins then get dumped into the TRASH dumpster. Some of it is just it is a nuisance and the group collecting the items (store, municipality, individual, even a college campus housekeeping company) just can't be bothered. But, more often it is because someone didn't read the sign and threw something in the wrong bin, and once it is contaminated, the entire bin is considered trash. They just toss it into the regular dumpster.

My daughter worked a a LARGE grocery store chain as a cashier, and they had a bin in the front of the store where you could bring back your plastic bags and get recycled. Her job at the end of the night was to empty that bin into the regular trash dumpster.

So, unless you actually SEE the plastic bottle go into the shredder/recycler, I wouldn't count on it getting there.

We all make choices on lifestyle and products we buy.

Exactly!

Thanks for the contribution!

Fact is, if you bought the bottle and drank it, you are responsible for its environment impact. Which as described above, and commonly known, is detrimental.

We can get better

 

[JohnJB]

So, unless you actually SEE the plastic bottle go into the shredder/recycler, I wouldn't count on it getting there.

Ya, the phrase is "reduce, reuse, recycle" for a reason. If you skip points 1 and 2, you're terribly off target.

 

[Itsky]

You mean like this potable water I use when stationary? Lol.

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See ya around...

That is nice.

I’m talking about your plastic water bottles that you referenced earlier and said you pack in all door pockets and in your cab on “most trips”

Why not use reusable bottles?

 

[Markuson]

That is nice.

I’m talking about your plastic water bottles that you referenced earlier and said you pack in all door pockets and in your cab on “most trips”

Why not use reusable bottles?

Yay! A nicer tone and question.
I keep my doors filled partly because I find that space otherwise wasted, and those bottles mean that no matter what, I have a water source in a pinch.

Just an aside...
I give away a lot of chocolate milk and water to LEOs in the boonies.

Have you ever needed to hand a border patrol or other LEO a bottle of water...or helped out a stranger? It doesn’t work with metal or other permanent bottles. But you can hand a thirsty person a water bottle and leave.
Border Patril who are often stuck at some post on nearby trails here really appreciate these gestures.

 

[Itsky]

 

[Markuson]

Hey @Itsky .
You’re a good guy. Lets move on.

If anyone is interested in the potable-jerry-can water-faucet mod I did, I’ll be glad to add sources and details. I’m really happy with how it came out.

With a cap, the spout stays clean, even with muddy trail grime.

 

[Docboy]

Closing edit:
My very wise wife just reminded me that it doesn’t matter what some guy on the internet wrongly assumes...so I shall heed her sage advice and leave you to your opinion.

Smart man (and husband)!