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It’s kind of dumb if you ask me to kill the NA throttle response experience by hunting down 3 gears when you actually need the motor.

For what even, dont the 2015 and 2016 get the same MPG? Perhaps some benefit in towing or acceleration. Someone post the numbers I’m too lazy right now.

But still, IMO not worth it. I know @bloc has told me before he thinks it would be nice for gear advantage on 34”s+. But bloc, didn’t you just post about the final drive ratio also being lower? I need to educate myself on the mechanics of all this. What are the technical pros ?
First gear is so deep it overcomes the taller final drive. Teckis has written about this elsewhere. Plus if you want to regear for larger tires 3.9s are a great option, and readily available with low miles from the earlier trucks. And, factory toyota gears which are IMO superior to anything aftermarket.

My gut is the move toward the 8spd was all marketing pressure. Americans “get” higher numbers being “better.” Plus it may have an emissions benefit, though that’s just a guess.
 
anyone experience engagement delays in their shifts?
I did a full fluid change 12 quarts and I still see engagement delay in transmission. Wonder if its by design being a 4W drive system.
I got the vehicle few months ago with 130k miles 2011 lx 570, every time I shift from park to drive or park to reverse, the engagement happens after few seconds.
If I dont hold my break, there is a small jerk.

It gets better when vehicle warms up.
Same thing happen occationally when its shifts to 2nd gear.
If I do ECT 2nd, I dont see that jerk.

Is think normal or common as the vehicle ages?
 
As far as the jerk goes, I've been noticing a harder 1-2 (or 2-1) shift in my 2013 LC. I'm moderately sure it was there before but the re-gear to 4.88s makes it more pronounced. I need to spend a little time under there but it wouldn't surprise me if there's some normal wear going on (transmission mounts? driveshaft or u joints?)

I've only once had an engagement issue. It was cold recently (20F maybe), I started up the truck and put it in reverse after maybe 2 or 3 seconds... not even sure the engine RPM had dropped from the initial revs at start. It barely engaged, like I was almost in N. Went back to P and then to R and it was fine. No issues since. I've heard that low fluid level may cause that (not my case here) as well as sometimes the fluid pump didn't hold pressure while the vehicle was off. Not sure how likely that is but I'd expect the transmission to engage within a second or so, especially once you've warmed up. That said I don't try to drive until the vehicle is in gear, so if you shift to R and immediately remove your foot from the brake that could certainly delay engagement as the TC starts spinning before the gears are meshed
 
As far as the jerk goes, I've been noticing a harder 1-2 (or 2-1) shift in my 2013 LC. I'm moderately sure it was there before but the re-gear to 4.88s makes it more pronounced. I need to spend a little time under there but it wouldn't surprise me if there's some normal wear going on (transmission mounts? driveshaft or u joints?)

I've only once had an engagement issue. It was cold recently (20F maybe), I started up the truck and put it in reverse after maybe 2 or 3 seconds... not even sure the engine RPM had dropped from the initial revs at start. It barely engaged, like I was almost in N. Went back to P and then to R and it was fine. No issues since. I've heard that low fluid level may cause that (not my case here) as well as sometimes the fluid pump didn't hold pressure while the vehicle was off. Not sure how likely that is but I'd expect the transmission to engage within a second or so, especially once you've warmed up. That said I don't try to drive until the vehicle is in gear, so if you shift to R and immediately remove your foot from the brake that could certainly delay engagement as the TC starts spinning before the gears are meshed
Cold fluid has caused shift delays from P to D/R on all my Toyotas. I try to give them some time to warm up. All Toyota truck transmissions I own appear to “clunk” into 2nd gear under very low throttle applications.

The 5 speed A750f is the smoothest followed by the LX 6 speed and last by the 8 speed.
 
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Cold fluid has caused shift delays from P to D/R on all my Toyotas. I try to give them some time to warm up. All Toyota truck transmissions I own appear to “clunk” into 2nd gear under very low throttle applications.

The 5 speed A750f is the smoothest followed by the LX 6 speed and last by the 8 speed.
Sounds like it’s normal.

Shift delays when cold are to be expected as the transmission will hold gears longer until the engine warms up. I hadn’t heard of any lengthy delays or slipping going from P to R being considered normal until recently
 
Sad to say my truck often sits for a week or more between drives. It’s definitely not every time, but there seems to be a correlation between how long it sits and an occasional delay getting reverse to produce torque. Fluid level is definitely correct, no other signs of transmission problems, hasn’t gotten worse in the 65k miles and 3+ years I’ve owned the vehicle. I’m not worried about it at all, and chalk it up to something within the transmission losing prime from sitting so long.
 
Sad to say my truck often sits for a week or more between drives. It’s definitely not every time, but there seems to be a correlation between how long it sits and an occasional delay getting reverse to produce torque. Fluid level is definitely correct, no other signs of transmission problems, hasn’t gotten worse in the 65k miles and 3+ years I’ve owned the vehicle. I’m not worried about it at all, and chalk it up to something within the transmission losing prime from sitting so long.
I recently did a full fluid exchange to make sure this fluid level and quality factor is ruled out. I have also reset the ECU shift mapping memory by removing the battery cables to see if it makes a different.

I haven't driven a lot to notice any change, will update in few days if the ecu memory reset made it any better.

I was reading that engagement delays happen due to couple of factors:
1. fluid level and degraded fluid quality. (I have eliminated this with full replacement)
2. Worn out solenoids in transmission valve body, so the solenoids are slow to respond due to aging. If they are super slow, they will throw a specific error whether its the fluid pressure solenoid or shift solenoid.
3. There are some bands within the transmission which wear over age and mileage which cause this.

I am also trying to baseline for land cruiser/lx , since these vehicles have too many moving parts (transmission, transfer case, front and rear differentials), may be its how the default response for the truck is that it take little extra time to make sure all of these components are lined up correctly before shifting?
I will try to test drive other lc/lx in the same year and lower miles to see if they are shifting any different.
(Based on the responses I saw so far, it may be the normal way the truck operates.)

Word of advice to all other, please drain refill your transmissions often (atleast every 60k miles if not for 40k miles). This will make your trunks run longer and repair free.
 
There is a lot of info on these transmissions doing what mine does even when perfectly healthy otherwise. Then again mine doesn’t have problems while actually driving..
 
Cold fluid has caused shift delays from P to D/R on all my Toyotas. I try to give them some time to warm up. All Toyota truck transmissions I own appear to “clunk” into 2nd gear under very low throttle applications.

The 5 speed A750f is the smoothest followed by the LX 6 speed and last by the 8 speed.
I also find that the 2UZ and A750F is the smoothest combination as well. The 3UR does not feel as smooth.
 
I’ll chip in my 1 cent for data point.

Ran my 8 speed 2 quarts low for a couple days due to a fill leveling issue. Had no slipping or delayed engagement symptoms. Just had delayed upshifts
 
After the ecu (battery) reset, noticed the 2nd gear shifting has moved into a spot where I don't see a bit of jerky shifts and the shifting has aligned with my driving. The truck is idling much much low. (Just about 1000rpm in drive).
But the delayed engagement from park to drive and reverse didnt entirely go away. (I 'feel' it got a bit better)
Also the transmission fluid change has made a noticeable difference in gas mileage. (by 1 mpg)
 

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