Toyo OpenCountry AT3 Experience? (1 Viewer)

[fajitas21]

Also can you measure the tires? If you don't have a tire tool they are like $4 from any parts store. They are measured in 16th of an inch, so you'd see a new tire look like 13/16".

For example, my K02s on my 4Runner with 36,000 miles are measuring 9/16", and my K02s on my LC200 with 12,000 mile are measuring 13/16", pretty consistently. I measure inner, mid, and outter tire on each tire.

Most people consider them done about 4/16" - 6/16", I think the wear band is around 3 or 4/16".

 

[Killacaviar]

I wouldn't take it that way. Maybe @Killacaviar has a different view, but IMO, I'm abusing the tires. That they're seeing some chipping and wear should be expected because this isn't normal use. I saw similar chipping with my Falken AT3Ws.

It's not just chipping, we've been outright cutting and destroying tires, counting 4 tires lost of various brands. Sidewall cuts and others.

I do wonder what others see and if they have pictures so we can have a sense of what's expected.

To be fair here, I beat the hell out of my tires lol. With that said, I beat the hell
Out of all my tires in the past and have never seen this level of chunking/splitting.

I was just curious if others have experienced the same. Honestly, @TeCKis300 had almost validated that for me… historically I get about 20-30k out of a set of ATs before it’s time to refresh. These just seem way worse compared to past experiences.

 

[Killacaviar]

Went to Discount this afternoon. 4 brand new tires to be installed on the 1st!!! Covered and replaced. Cost me 5 bucks…

 

[Itsky]

Went to Discount this afternoon. 4 brand new tires to be installed on the 1st!!! Covered and replaced. Cost me 5 bucks…

Great. Was this due to your discount certificates the Toyo warranty, good customer service or a combo? I always debate the certs.

 

[Killacaviar]

Great. Was this due to your discount certificates the Toyo warranty, good customer service or a combo? I always debate the certs.

Toyo warranty and good CS. I didn’t have to use my Certificates.

I always get the certificates and have used/needed them in multiple situations. They refunded the tire and allow me to pick any news tire I wanted. It was best case scenario for me.

 

[TeCKis300]

Toyo warranty and good CS. I didn’t have to use my Certificates.

I always get the certificates and have used/needed them in multiple situations. They refunded the tire and allow me to pick any news tire I wanted. It was best case scenario for me.

So the big question is ... what's the next tire

 

[Killacaviar]

So the big question is ... what's the next tire

…I went with an MT lol. It’s been a regret of mine since May. I have a set of studded Nokians on OEM wheels if I need them for ski trips.

Yokohama Geolander G003 35x12.5x17 are the next try. I make so many local wheeling trips it finally makes sense to move to a proper MT.

 

[OregonLC]

I've heard good things about those Yoko's. Let us know how they roll.

 

[TheDan]

I have a recent bad experience with the open country at3's. I put a set on my 1998 Toyota t100 4wd in October 2023. Its my commuter daily and i drive 75 miles a day of paved commute to work daily with it. I also took these tires on a 1600 mile roadtrip for work as well. Yesterday i had a sidewall failure while driving on the highway. The tires were checked for level daily and i check psi every couple weeks. They haven't had any hard slams and have had zero curb contact.
The tire affected has multiple sidewall bubbles. There is no punctures on the tire. But suddenly i lost most my psi while driving 70... I believe that the multiple sidewall bubbles could of probably been caused by me not being able to get to the side of the road for probably a bit too long... But with no punctures/proper psi maintenance/ and no abuse i am 100percent confident i had a defective sidewall causing this. Discount tire is crediting me 140 of the 215 dollars for the tire- but they are not ponying up for a full defective warranty case. They say i either grossly overinflated it or had severe contact with something that woulda caused the sidewall to fail. Neither of which is true.
There IS a recall on open country at3s made in serbia out of a specific molding that was incorrect... This caused separation and loss of air thru the sidewall. But my tires were manufactured elsewhere and dont fall under the recall. My issue however is screaming that the same defect happened to me though. I called toyo to let them know and they politely denied any responsibility or possibility that it could of been a defect (of course) and they were thrilled to have discount tire handle any claim there may be....
I won't be trusting this brand after this ordeal... I know it can happen to any tire but sidewall failure with no punctures on 12k/4month old tires is not acceptable.

 

[NYC570]

I have a recent bad experience with the open country at3's. I put a set on my 1998 Toyota t100 4wd in October 2023. Its my commuter daily and i drive 75 miles a day of paved commute to work daily with it. I also took these tires on a 1600 mile roadtrip for work as well. Yesterday i had a sidewall failure while driving on the highway. The tires were checked for level daily and i check psi every couple weeks. They haven't had any hard slams and have had zero curb contact.
The tire affected has multiple sidewall bubbles. There is no punctures on the tire. But suddenly i lost most my psi while driving 70... I believe that the multiple sidewall bubbles could of probably been caused by me not being able to get to the side of the road for probably a bit too long... But with no punctures/proper psi maintenance/ and no abuse i am 100percent confident i had a defective sidewall causing this. Discount tire is crediting me 140 of the 215 dollars for the tire- but they are not ponying up for a full defective warranty case. They say i either grossly overinflated it or had severe contact with something that woulda caused the sidewall to fail. Neither of which is true.
There IS a recall on open country at3s made in serbia out of a specific molding that was incorrect... This caused separation and loss of air thru the sidewall. But my tires were manufactured elsewhere and dont fall under the recall. My issue however is screaming that the same defect happened to me though. I called toyo to let them know and they politely denied any responsibility or possibility that it could of been a defect (of course) and they were thrilled to have discount tire handle any claim there may be....
I won't be trusting this brand after this ordeal... I know it can happen to any tire but sidewall failure with no punctures on 12k/4month old tires is not acceptable.

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From your pictures I assume that this is a P rated AT3 tire. Do you know whether they were made in Japan or the US?

 

[TheDan]

It is a p tire. Made in serbia

 

[Sean Caldwell]

I have a recent bad experience with the open country at3's. I put a set on my 1998 Toyota t100 4wd in October 2023. Its my commuter daily and i drive 75 miles a day of paved commute to work daily with it. I also took these tires on a 1600 mile roadtrip for work as well. Yesterday i had a sidewall failure while driving on the highway. The tires were checked for level daily and i check psi every couple weeks. They haven't had any hard slams and have had zero curb contact.
The tire affected has multiple sidewall bubbles. There is no punctures on the tire. But suddenly i lost most my psi while driving 70... I believe that the multiple sidewall bubbles could of probably been caused by me not being able to get to the side of the road for probably a bit too long... But with no punctures/proper psi maintenance/ and no abuse i am 100percent confident i had a defective sidewall causing this. Discount tire is crediting me 140 of the 215 dollars for the tire- but they are not ponying up for a full defective warranty case. They say i either grossly overinflated it or had severe contact with something that woulda caused the sidewall to fail. Neither of which is true.
There IS a recall on open country at3s made in serbia out of a specific molding that was incorrect... This caused separation and loss of air thru the sidewall. But my tires were manufactured elsewhere and dont fall under the recall. My issue however is screaming that the same defect happened to me though. I called toyo to let them know and they politely denied any responsibility or possibility that it could of been a defect (of course) and they were thrilled to have discount tire handle any claim there may be....
I won't be trusting this brand after this ordeal... I know it can happen to any tire but sidewall failure with no punctures on 12k/4month old tires is not acceptable.

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I have run many versions of Toyo Tires on all types of vehicles over the years and have never had an issue. It would seem to me that the tread in the pictures is uniform in wear no excessive wear in middle or edges. I think its fairly likely you ran over something and it didn't stay in and the driving on it while low did the sidewall damage. If you inspect the tire from the inside you may even see a sign of a small or possible not so small hole, who knows.. To me for a T-100 you should not have had P metric tires on there, you should have been sold a LT type tire with a load range of C at a minimum. I don't know enough to decipher the side wall code other then the date it was made which was 07/23. I think when you make an investment like tires it's pretty important to never inflate to what tirs say but use the vehicle tag on the door jamb and then go off how youre using the vehicle ie has weight in it or towing etc.. thewn rotation every 5k miles and keeping up on alignments/ front end components etc too. lastly I always get the "road Hazard" warranty through where i buy the tires if it's available, costs a couple bucks but one tire does this and the warranty pays for itself.


Bummer you had to go through all this

 

[TheDan]

The p tires showed recommended for me on all the sites. I dont tow or haul anything heavy with the t-100. I use my 100series with e rated ko2's for towing when needed. If i was going to haul heavy loads regularly id certainly have chosen LT tires.
The tire pressures in the tires are 35 all the way around. Came that way installed and i dont have any issues with that pressure. They have not budged from that pressure since original installation.
I inspected the tire on the outside when i turned it to discount tire. I then inspected it externally with the tire techs there and verified no external punctures. When i picked up the truck i asked the manager if there were any punctures found when dismounting. He said no. I then asked the tech who dismounted/mounted new if there was anything in there. He stated no as well.
The tire held air in it from the time the sidewall gave way all the way until dismount 2.5 days later.
Sidewall breakage in less than 10k miles with no punctures or hard impacts is unacceptable and unsafe.
As for discount tire certificates- spending 10-15 percent more each tire is still not for me. I just wish i was fully reimbursed for such an obvious manufacturing defect. Im very sure discount tire will get the full refund into their account.
I also have spent a year as a diesel tech and changed/repaired 100's of tires myself (by hand) for 18 wheelers/trailers. From my experience in the field i will make an estimate on what happened:
Sidewall cord broke causing a profile change in the outside tread wall- this caused growling sound while driving that i thought was my rear end/diff growling. The sidewall scrubbing on the ground due to the broken side wall cord caused heat and further damage and the bubbles between each sidewall groove. Tire held air from the time of taking it off till dismount at tireshop. Looking up toyo tires recall on the at3's this failure lines up perfectly with what happened. However toyo is claiming that this issue doesn't apply to my dot#. At the end of the day im the guy with the short end of the stick. 75 dollars poorer driving with a set a supposedly good quality tires that i dont trust anymore- purchased from a reputable source who recommend these tires to me and will not offer manufacturer warranty to me when the tire failed in an extreme and unsafe manner out of no fault of my own.

 

[bloc]

The p tires showed recommended for me on all the sites. I dont tow or haul anything heavy with the t-100. I use my 100series with e rated ko2's for towing when needed. If i was going to haul heavy loads regularly id certainly have chosen LT tires.
The tire pressures in the tires are 35 all the way around. Came that way installed and i dont have any issues with that pressure. They have not budged from that pressure since original installation.
I inspected the tire on the outside when i turned it to discount tire. I then inspected it externally with the tire techs there and verified no external punctures. When i picked up the truck i asked the manager if there were any punctures found when dismounting. He said no. I then asked the tech who dismounted/mounted new if there was anything in there. He stated no as well.
The tire held air in it from the time the sidewall gave way all the way until dismount 2.5 days later.
Sidewall breakage in less than 10k miles with no punctures or hard impacts is unacceptable and unsafe.
As for discount tire certificates- spending 10-15 percent more each tire is still not for me. I just wish i was fully reimbursed for such an obvious manufacturing defect. Im very sure discount tire will get the full refund into their account.
I also have spent a year as a diesel tech and changed/repaired 100's of tires myself (by hand) for 18 wheelers/trailers. From my experience in the field i will make an estimate on what happened:
Sidewall cord broke causing a profile change in the outside tread wall- this caused growling sound while driving that i thought was my rear end/diff growling. The sidewall scrubbing on the ground due to the broken side wall cord caused heat and further damage and the bubbles between each sidewall groove. Tire held air from the time of taking it off till dismount at tireshop. Looking up toyo tires recall on the at3's this failure lines up perfectly with what happened. However toyo is claiming that this issue doesn't apply to my dot#. At the end of the day im the guy with the short end of the stick. 75 dollars poorer driving with a set a supposedly good quality tires that i dont trust anymore- purchased from a reputable source who recommend these tires to me and will not offer manufacturer warranty to me when the tire failed in an extreme and unsafe manner out of no fault of my own.

Tens of thousands of these on the road without this issue…

I understand feeling put out by this failure and their response but the odds are absolutely against another similar issue.

 

[TheDan]

Tens of thousands of these on the road without this issue…

I understand feeling put out by this failure and their response but the odds are absolutely against another similar issue.

 

[TheDan]

Under bullet point 2 is the most likely experience i had. All the evidence points to it. However my dot numbers supposedly aren't under this recall so thats why im here stating my experience. It is easy to feel bias towards something you like and have possibly invested in. But i have a bad taste in my mouth from it now. At least its posted so that anyone looking into this thread can see my first hand experience with the product.

 

[bloc]

Under bullet point 2 is the most likely experience i had. All the evidence points to it. However my dot numbers supposedly aren't under this recall so thats why im here stating my experience. It is easy to feel bias towards something you like and have possibly invested in. But i have a bad taste in my mouth from it now. At least its posted so that anyone looking into this thread can see my first hand experience with the product.

Totally fair.

Both of my sets of OCAT3s were perfect for what they were.. but they wouldn't have been included either.

 

[MCtree]

@bloc
I'm just starting my search to replace my KO2's and don't love that the KO3 is heavier than the KO2 so I'm looking more widely for a replacement.

Since you were a strong proponent on these OCAT3's on this thread, I thought it might be worthwhile to hit you up a year later to see if you would still recommend them?

 

[bloc]

@bloc
I'm just starting my search to replace my KO2's and don't love that the KO3 is heavier than the KO2 so I'm looking more widely for a replacement.

Since you were a strong proponent on these OCAT3's on this thread, I thought it might be worthwhile to hit you up a year later to see if you would still recommend them?

Truly great tires until I went back to stock suspension and stock sized Defender LTXs about a year ago.

I’d definitely recommend them to someone looking for a tire in that category.

 

[MCtree]

Ha! Your response is helpful…. But it opens more questions than it closes.

Why did you switch?

And please don’t make me dig through that tortuous “I think Defenders are the best tire” thread.

While 90% of my driving is on paved roads, I’m okay with having a less comfortable ride on that 90% if it means I’m less likely to get stuck in some place where help is hard to get.
So I’m avoiding the defenders even though they would probably suffice in the easy off-roading that I do.