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Sorry for not being current on the updates. I'm dealing with a medical situation with my inlaws and have not had much time this past week. Several of you have sent me lists of parts you have to donate. Please keep them coming and i will try to get caught up over the weekend by updating the list in this thread so everyone can see what we have and what we still need.

I will also follow-up with Jeff Zepp as the insurance question has been investigated and there is some misinformation out there, depending on who you talk to. Because the truck is not being driven, I do not see a big liability risk. Let's focus on getting the truck over here and started on the rebuild.

Once we show some progress the additional support will come in and the naysayers will go find something else to quash.
 
People looking for fact are not NaySayers. :rolleyes:

Hopefully this answers you questions on the insurance.

Questions

Different Types of Coverage Possibly Needed

One for the project while it is under construction. Vandalism, Theft, Fire, Flood, etc

One for the the People who are working on the rig

One for the actual Property/Business and owner of the Property/Business that the vehicle is being worked on.

One for transportation of the Rig from Event to Event.

Answers

1. the project while it is under construction. Vandalism, Theft, Fire, Flood, etc
– Currently we only have a liability only policy. K & K would have to quote an actual auto policy on this – max premium for the year would be $500.

2. for the the People who are working on the rig
– No, current policy would not cover people working on the rig. If the work is done in a professional garage, this would be covered under that garage’s commercial policy. If it being worked on at a personal home, that injury would be covered by that homeowner’s insurance. Our policy does not cover this type of stuff.

3. for the actual Property/Business and owner of the Property/Business that the vehicle is being worked on.
– see answer to number 2 We cannot get a policy for this. We can purchase a physical damage policy alone & that would be $500 but again, that only covers damage done BY the vehicle. If we buy both a physical damage & auto policy we would spend $1000 for the two to cover the year of 2010.

4. for transportation of the Rig from Event to Event.
– It will be covered by whomever’s vehicle is towing the rig. Any add’l that that person’s insurance wouldn’t cover, would be covered by our insurance.

5. ?add a rider policy specific to the owners of the property and the actual address that the vehicle would be worked on??.
– again, see number 2. We do not have a garage policy, we have an event liability policy. Not a garage keeper’s policy.
If we buy liability & physical damage policy on this vehicle, if the vehicle rolled off a lift from someone else’s garage & rolled downhill into someone else’s vehicle or God forbid, a human then the dual coverage from the physical policy & auto policy would cover that damage. Even if we buy both coverage’s, none of them will cover anybody that may get hurt while working on it UNLESS the vehicle itself physically caused that damage.

6. clarity on the “social gathering” stuff see if that covers it getting built? .
– Social gathering coverage only provides coverage for slips, trips & falls should we be litigated against. With the auto policy, we would only be covered for vehicle damage from fire, theft, auto or flood. With the physical damage policy, that only pertains to dollar damage to the vehicle.

We would be adequately covered by a comprehensive auto policy for over the road transport of the vehicle, display of the vehicle in public areas, theft, vandalism, weather (tornados, hail damage, etc), fire, flood, etc but let me stress that NO PERSONAL INJURY WHILE WORKING ON THE VEHICLE would be covered, PERIOD. If someone is injured while driving it, they would be covered, but the actual act of performing maintenance on the vehicle is EXCLUDED, period.
 
I spoke with Jeff Zepp before I posted the "5 Wrenching Weekend" proposal. He said it would be easy to add a rider policy specific to the owners of the property and the actual address that the vehicle would be worked on.

Insurance for a TLCA Event is around $259 so it may be that amount per location of each wrenching weekend.
 
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If you have any more questions regarding insurance, liability, damages, etc. please let me know & I will answer them for you. To be blunt, if the truck isn't worked on under the umbrella of a professional shop & it's insurance coverage,, then any damages to property or volunteers is not covered under our policy. Even if we were to purchase a comprehensive policy as stated above, any damages, injury, etc. that was caused to a volunteer while working on the vehicle would not be covered. So, if volunteer A wrenches himself into an injury, our policy will not cover that injury. If we were to purchase a comprehensive policy to cover the vehicle, that coverage is only for damages done BY the vehicle - i.e., it rolls off the lift & into another vehicle or a human. It will not cover an injury to a volunteer because somebody flung open one of the truck doors into somebody's face.

If we want to have a shop offer their space to work on the vehicle, then that shop's garage keeper's policy will be in effect. So, what we're really looking at is "Will any shop want to put their coverage on the line to allow volunteers to work on this truck in their shop?"

We cannot purchase a policy that will cover any injuries that may occur to persons working on the truck, period.
 
Thanks Dan for the info. Now does this mean TLCA is going to title it for it to be covered under a comprehensive auto policy? The only reason I ask is what if the truck got stolen or a freak accident happened and it got distroyed. IPOR shop policy might cover it but since it was never titled by some one other than the Previous owner. How could a claim be made or who would collect on the insurance?
 
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Here are my ideas on how to build it. This was posted over a year ago and goes with the above insurance post I made.


Just an idea while having morning coffee with my wife:

If this rig is going to be used for the TLCA FJ 40 Raffle some decisions need to be finalized in writing in this thread on the final product. Someone has the power to say "Here is what we are building and here is the final product goal" and that person is not me.

At this stage of the project getting the rig from club to club is a waist of time.

Here is what could happen

I could host a Wrenching Weekend where all the clubs come and assist with the tear down. They take the components back to their club house and do the repairs. I am within 80 miles of the center of California. My garage is bigger than most peoples garages. My neighbor has 36 acres and about 15 acres of it is prime places to pitch a tent. 7 of those campable 15 acres will require a 4x4 to get you there. I can ask him for permission to use his place. Make this your Club Run of the month if you want to. I am literally just outside of Sequoia National Forest. Come down on a Friday night and Saturday morning throw your keys to the significant other and let them go play in the national park with the kids.

First Tear down Wrenching Weekend
- Front and Rear Axles go to one club for a Refresh/rebuild.
- Tub and sheet metal goes to another club for sheet metal work and paint.
- Engine goes to another club for a freshening up, ie Rings, bearings, complete gasket set and seals, etc.
- Transmission and Transfer case goes to one club for a refresh/reseal T-Case saver installed, flywheel machined, etc.

Other than the tub, any one of these project can be done in a weekend.

I could host The first Assembly Wrenching Weekend two weeks later where the clubs bring the components back to my place and we assemble the rig.

First Assembly Wrenching Weekend
- Mate the 2F engine to the H42 transmission and T-Case
- Install 2.5" springs on the newly painted frame
- Install new shocks
- Install newly rebuilt axle assys
- Install the power train

Second Assembly Wrenching Weekend
- Install the freshly painted Tub
- Install new body mounts
- Install steering componenets
This would give the club that takes the tub an extra week to work in it and get it painted.

Third Assembly Wrenching Weekend
- Install entire wiring harness
- Install pedal bucket
- Basically begin bolting it together
- Radiator and shrouds
- Engine bay splash shield
- Heat shields under the body.

Fourth Wrenching Weekend - Rig (possibly) gets shipped to another clubhouse (?)
- Install Clutch Master/Slave
- Install Brake Master
- Install Brake lines

Fifth Assembly Wrenching Weekend
- Wire the 2F Engine up
- Install all emission components
- Begin installing the items I refer to as "giblets".
- Hood hinges and all rubber pads
- Lights (All)
- Fuel Tank and fuel lines
- Dash Instrument Cluster
- Dash controls
- Heater assy
- Tail gate
At this stage the vehicle would be licensed and registered and emissions tested in California. If it passes in Tulare County California, it will pass emissions anyplace on earth.

At this stage it would go to Justin at Redline Motorsports
- RollCage
- Bumpers
- Winch Install
We have someone who can get it there earlier if we are done with it sooner out here in California/Nevada.

Once Justin is done with it, Rising Sun is almost in the middle of the USA so maybe their hands on portion of this is getting it to as many 4x4/Events/CarShows as possible. Also bringing it to Rubithon 2010.

I could have the donated parts shipped to my commercial address. It is cheaper to ship to a commercial address than a residential address.

Just my ideas and yes there are a lot of "Could"s in this post.
 
Dan,
Thanks for the insight on the insurance. What I am understanding is that everyone working on the truck needs to sign a hold harmless wavier.

Matt,
I didn't mean to sound so much like an ass but the crap you have to go thru now a days to do anything is ridiculous. File a JHA, do a SPA, provide and wear your PPE do a safety stand down at least once a week and God forbid someone cuts their finger. The worker and superviser get sent home for 3 days

Tom
 
Dan,
Thanks for the insight on the insurance. What I am understanding is that everyone working on the truck needs to sign a hold harmless wavier.

Matt,
I didn't mean to sound so much like an ass but the crap you have to go thru now a days to do anything is ridiculous. File a JHA, do a SPA, provide and wear your PPE do a safety stand down at least once a week and God forbid someone cuts their finger. The worker and superviser get sent home for 3 days

Tom

I agree its a pita to get anything done. I'm not so much concerned about the people getting hurt while working on this. Signing a wavier would some what take care of that. I guess I what I am trying to say is What protects the truck. How can a insurance company insure a truck thats not titled in the clubs name or any one's name that is apart of this. I just dont want CLCC, BBRC, IPOR, and other companys to invest Money, and their hard work go to waste if something happened to it. Which is why I think it was brought up to have CLCC buy the truck.

Dont worry Tom i didn't think you were sounding like ass.
 
First off let me clarify, the Naysayers are the ones saying we shouldn't or can't do this and are trying to stop those of us willing to do the work to make this happen. No one who has posted on this thread is in that category. Second, I welcome questions, but would caution that questions were the guise being used to derail the discussion by aforementioned Naysayers on the BODREPS forum. I am not interested in rehashing thos discussions such as the insurance questions when the research such as Dan provides above has been done and reported.

At this time TLCA has minimal financial outlay in this project so I do not see a reason to worry about comprehensive coverage to protect TLCA from loss due to flood, fire, vandalism, etc. The money spent to date to move the vehicle would not be recoverable under that kind of policy so I do not take that into consideration. I also do not count the opportunity cost of the free advertising that Mark received as a thank you for making the donation because it was not solicited by Mark, but offered by Jeff. If TLCA wants comprehensive protection for the $3500 estimated value, they can pony up for that policy and make whatever ownership decisions need to be made based on the ownership requirements for the policy they purchase. my concerns are focused on what is needed for the act of building the truck and hosting that build at IPOR. If we do the disassembly and remote work on components as Dan has proposed, that adds a dimension to the liability that the host of the remote work needs to accept before taking the part(s) onto their property or allowing others to work on those part(s).

Our focus needs to be the build for now to get this project off the ground and build more support from the other clubs. That is what the TLCA BOD voted to let us do. Running of the Raffle, collection of raffle monies (as opposed to build monies) and Raffle marketing and sales will be left to TLCA to figure out as this moves along. There is time for that as this will not be ready for holding a raffle drawing until 2012 as currently planned.

I need to go back to work now. Thanks everyone!
 
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Tom, are you hosting the PPE and Lift Safety training for the build.
Don't worry I have my OSHA 10 training completed last month.

Chris
 
As long as your there to assist. My OSHA 30 is at least 5yr old and with the one I'm dealing with now that the Corps of Engineers has I'm totally confused. One says you can, the other says you can't and the GC makes up their own as you go along. When I get back to work next week I'll take a pic of one of the guys with the required safety gear on. Should give everyone a good laugh.
 
Santa' sleigh after OSHA.
Ed


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Great Idea! No four letter words allowed:D

Uh....on second thought, that may not be practical when working on an FJ40, even if it's a "cream puff" by east coast standards. :bang:

Perhaps banning official sounding acronyms will work for everyone?:D
 
Updates Post# 4 with recent parts donations. Please send me a PM and I will update the list. Please also let me know if you want me use your name or MUD name as the Donor.
 
Missing/Replacement Parts- 77 FJ40
Hood Bumpers I have the hood pads for the front
Windshield Bumpers I might have these
Wiper arms and mounting hardware I have these but they might be used and need some tlc
Door Hing Plates Are you talking about the ones that mount to the body or the doors?
Fuel Cap Door I have this

Interior
We have front seat frames, steering column, steering wheel and a few knobs on the dash and a gas tank cover. I can rebuild all the knobs and switches if you have them all and most likely donate anything that is missing. Just need a list.

We also do not have a roll bar or rear seats. 2 Jump Seats - donated by 76FJ40; decent/repairable I have a stock gray newer roll bar

How's that?


And as far as legalities I say ignore them all and just build the damn thing.
 
Missing/Replacement Parts- 77 FJ40
Wiper arms and mounting hardware I have these but they might be used and need some tlc.


Used is ok, we have plenty of tlc available to nurse them back to full function! Thanks!

Door Hing Plates Are you talking about the ones that mount to the body or the doors?


It is my undersanding that we don't have doors at this time. When we get it to IPOR next week we will take stock of what we have and what we need. Thanks!

I can rebuild all the knobs and switches if you have them all and most likely donate anything that is missing. Just need a list.

Thanks Marshall, that is very generous. As soon as we take a detailed inventory I will get that list to you.

We also do not have a roll bar or rear seats. 2 Jump Seats - donated by 76FJ40; decent/repairable I have a stock gray newer roll bar

How's that?


That will be GREAT!


And as far as legalities I say ignore them all and just build the damn thing.
:cheers:

I appreciate the sentiment. We will build a truck that is road worthy and safe, as well as trail capable within reason and the means at our disposal. The intent is to have a truck that can be registered and driven on teh highway by the winner. For obvious reasons, we will have to include a disclaimer that passing local safety and emission inspections will be the new owner's responsibility. We cannot guarantee that it will pass in any and all state regulations, but we will do our best to get it within reason.

Thanks Marshall!
 
e-mail sent Jon.:)
 
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