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Brentbba

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Well, getting close to replacement time - at least before the rain comes to SoCal and oily roads get slick and head up to local mountains for skiing this winter.

Done lots and lots of reading in search and elsewhere.

Don't need anything aggressive for what I do so I've ruled out all the MT's and the BFG AT KO's and similar. Swampers also Junk! :flipoff2:

I've run nothing but Michelin LTX's in the 10 years I've owned the truck and the only real complaint I've had is the lousy wear - typically 35K average.

Looking for a slightly more aggressive look without giving up good pavement manners of the LTX. Also decided to go to the 285/75/16 from the stock 275/70/16 to fill out the wheel wells better. It'll add another inch in overall height to the truck which I have to be concerned with. I've barely got clearance into the garage. Truck at it's high point is 76.5 inches at the top of the OEM roof rack now and the very bottom lip of the garage door is 79.5 inches. Already can't extend the radio antenna completely to keep it from whacking the garage door.

From my research, I've identified 3 tires. Bridgestone Dueler AT Revo, Yokohama Geolander and the Michelin Cross Terrain.

Despite some good feedback from some forum members on the Cross Terrain I've pretty much eliminated it. Seems to me from my research it's been more designed for light SUV's. Lexus is using it as OEM on its RX330 and GX470. Tirerack ratings make it look superior in every way to the LTX tho.

Bridgestone Revo has had some great comments here. Tirerack ratings put it #1 overall in this category of tire.

Yokohama Geolander likewise had had some very good comments here. Ranked 7th in the Tirerack summary in this category slightly lower in every category compared to the Revo.

All three have good road manners, wet and dry traction, etc. Snow (for ski trips out of SoCal) look good.

Haven't been able to confirm what I've seen here about a 'C' load rating on the Geolander. The Revo is a D. Given my towing I'd be more inclined to go with the Revo's for this saftey reason alone.

Stopped by my favorite local tire guy last night. 4 Revo's out the door $700. 4 Geolanders out the door $560. Big difference! He's a little independent that I'd prefer to support. His feedback on both tires was very good and they have very similar tread patterns. He made an interesting comment about the BFG AT KO's being a bitch to balance (already excluded from my list, but we'd walked past a rack of them in his little warehouse). His service is impeccable! Haven't checked prices at Discount Tire or a Bridgestone store about the Revo's. Thinking a factory store may be less than an independent can source them for, but raises in my mind price vs. support/servivce of the local guy. I usually go with the later - you get what you pay for down the road (no pun intended).

Have I missed anything? I know Doc is real happy with his Firestone's and they are probably very similar to the Revo's.

Will probably go with 4 and leave the stock LTX spare initially. Haven't used it in 10 years (knock on wood). If I end up really liking what I end up with, I'll replace it as well for a matched set of 5. I know from Dan's comments (others?) that a 285 will fit in the stock spare location without modification. Hope it will still allow enough room for the receiver in the OEM hitch. Correct me if I'm wrong here as it's a biggie for me!
 
I had as set of 285 geolanders. Exellent in all types of terrain except mud. Not as good as a dedicated ice radial in snow and ice, but better than BFG TAs IMO. If you go to the 285s you will need 5 tires as you cannot use a smaller spare without the VC heating up and possibly getting damaged. The 285 spare will fit and does let you use the OEM hitch and receiver. I have no experience with the Revo, but have heard many good reviews.
Cheers,
Sean
 
>> Hope it [285] will still allow enough room for the receiver in the OEM hitch. <<

Yes, you will have room.

My only comment is that if you have 3" of clearance (76.5 vs 79.5) you should go with 315's :D

-B-
 
Beowulf said:
>> Hope it [285] will still allow enough room for the receiver in the OEM hitch. <<

Yes, you will have room.

My only comment is that if you have 3" of clearance (76.5 vs 79.5) you should go with 315's :D

-B-

Hell B - I honestly didn't think I had that much based on the antenna height. Placed a straight piece of wood across the OEM rack to get a precise measure. Really suprised I still had 3 inches. Guess I should have gone OME heavy with the higher lift instead of the medium huh?

315's I don't think so. hehehe :flipoff2:
 
Don't you need to be careful on tread selection? You don't want to damage the fairways.......:flipoff2:
 
cruiserdan said:
Don't you need to be careful on tread selection? You don't want to damage the fairways.......:flipoff2:

God! You are sooo right. :flipoff2: I completely forgot that criteria, didn't I. hehehe :doh:
 
I got a set of 4 265/70 16 revos a couple of weeks ago at Costco for about 520 for the 4runner. So far they've done well, the day I got them I tried them out in mud and had the runner to the front frame before backing out and they seemed to clean well for an a/t. Points for the Bridgestone: currently fifty dollar rebate, and 30 day trial. If you buy them and don't like them you can return them in 30 days.
 
No real comment on your choices as I could really give a :flipoff2: . But one on the balancing comment. I've had several sets of BFG AT/Kos and can tell you that depending on how they are stored the balancing of them are greatly affected. I use to run 2 sets of tires on 1 set of rims. After the first season I realized quickly that the BFGs will get a set to them that will make balancing them damn near impossible. What I ended up doing was to drive on them for a week or two and then have them rebalanced. Once they were rounded out again they balanced fine. I did get better results from stacking the tires verses standing them on edge but the balancing issue was always there for the first few weeks. I now run 2 sets of rims which eliminates the problem.
 
Can the stock spare on a 97 LX450 go bigger than 285's or is that all there is room for?
 
305/70/16 is the largest tire that will fit under the truck.
 
Gary - thx - I noticed the rebate and guarantee as well. Rebate runs thru this Friday. WTF tho if you don't like them in the 30 days. Are they going to keep your old tires for that period? hehehe

Really didn't want to pull the trigger this quickly, but $50 is $50, right?
 
The Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos are beautiful tires- quiet on the road, decent for mild to moderate wheeling. As for price, I got my local Firestone dealer to price-match tirerack.com's $150 price so it was $450 out the door.
 
Brent,

I replaced my stock Michilins with BFG AT KO's on my 94 and have had them for 4 years now and still have lots of tread left. So far I've got over 40K on them. I got lifetime ballance from discount tires, and have never heard of any trouble ballancing them. I think they have excellent road manners, long life, pretty good street/light trail use except I sure wouldn't want them in mud but expect they would be more agressive than those you've listed. I know several friends running these as well and all have excellent results with them. They do have stiffer sidewalls than the marshmellow Michilins but I like the firmer feel. You should easily get 50+ miles from them, with great road manners and good trail capability for a standard style A/T so I don't see why your ruling them out. It's your money and your truck, but I think they are still a great tire. I also like the fact that if your out on the road somewhere and one blows out or whatever, they're one of the easiest tire to find if you needed one in a pinch.
I just wish I could find a mud tire that has these street manners and tread life for my next tire. I don't think it exist that I'm looking for something more aggresive for my next set but know I'll be replacing them sooner.

Bryan
 
Brentbba said:
Have I missed anything? I know Doc is real happy with his Firestone's and they are probably very similar to the Revo's.

Yes, My Firestone Destination M/T's are the greatest tire I've ever driven on.

No way in hell should you buy them.

Why not? First of all, they are an MT tire. Big lugs. Lots of traction. If you drove your cruiser across a fairway with these tires you'd pick up golf balls inbetween the lugs because there is so much tread space, and you'd rip the grass up by the roots because they are that grippy. They are also an LT tire, which would be good for you to help pull trailers, etc.. and they look bad ass installed.

HOWEVER. They would be completely wasted on you if you didn't get them good and muddy/dirty now and then.

The Revo will have better snow manners because of the tread design and lots of siping, and is also an LT tire I believe.

The Revo is definately more of a street tire, with off road capabilities. The Destination is an off road tire with street manners.

Unless you go wheelin' at least once a month you won't appreciate the destiation tires like I do. Get the Revo's.
 
I completly love my Revos. Best wet handling I've ever had on my 2 cruisers, but not an MT as others have noted. Also - 285 is the biggest size the Revo comes in - I'm pretty sure. I had a set of 275's on 97 and resently gave them to my wife for her YukonXL. She had been running some 285 dueler AT (non revo) and they were really wrong for that big a truck. I have had them on my LC about 3 months and they are driving me crazy cuz they are so unevenly worn. I am planning to use the rebate this week and get some new 285 Revos for the Landcruiser. Jay
 
Jay - If you wait a day, I'll give you my first impressions. Ordered today, on tomorrow. Figured I'd take advantage of the rebate as well. 285's!
 
Please do. Got the same requirements as yourself and will be buying...something in the next 6 months.
 
Strange. Getting the truck inspected at my local shop and I asked the guy what tires they had in 285s, he looked in some magic book and told me that there is no recommended upgrade in size for the 97 LC because it will throw "the computer" off. Said to check with the dealer to confirm if I wish. I know the speedo can/will be affected a bit but WTF?
 
acf - yes, speedo will be off 5.4%. As for the computer??

First impressions:

Look great!

Initial ride to work, mostly stop and go freeway - ride seems a little firmer. No noticable lag in acceleration or braking at all.

Took a before and after pic. Doubt I'll have time to take off camera tonight and post up. Maybe Sunday after canoe trip.

My local tire guy that I've been going to for years, best service in the area, gave me $100 for my 10 year old, unused spare LTX! Was hoping maybe $25-50 if anything at all.
 

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