Thoughts From the 200 Crew On the LC250 Reveal

[ryanCA]

The 1.8L doesn’t have the torque required to move these heavy pigs down the interstate

perfect for starbucks run

 

[ryanCA]

Ok, sure, it would have not been a bad vehicle, were it not for the engine.



That was a manufacturing issue, not a design issue. Should be remedied now. The turbo is and will remain a weak link of the engine. Turbos have merit in performance applications, but it is completely boneheaded idea in a truck like this. I am also for improving gas mileage, but not at the expense of the vehicle longevity. It is net loss from the point of view of energy use / lifecycle, but on par with the disposable society. I absolutely deplore the green terrorists who inflicted these insane regulations/incentives on manufactures and thus on us.

doesnt big rigs that go millions of miles have turbos?

 

[Oakleyguy]

@Oakleyguy, am I reading this right that you gave up the GX550 for the LX700? if you posted this exchange in the 250 forum, those guys would absolutely melt down.

Yes.

The GX was awesome, but it'd didn't have the 'feel' of my 200 nor, the LX6 I demoed for an extended period of time.

The ridiculous grill on the LX, dare I say it, has grown on me a little bit. BUT ONLY IN BLACK.

 

[ryanCA]

The LX600 market nowadays has been pretty flat; you'd have to find a ratty one to get a 'deal.'

In 2024 only 6000 units were sold so it's pretty low volume.

In 2024 around 29,000 GX550s were sold.

lx600 with motor swap done under recall by your dealer monkeys can be had for a good deal

 

[ryanCA]

Yes.

The GX was awesome, but it'd didn't have the 'feel' of my 200 nor, the LX6 I demoed for an extended period of time.

The ridiculous grill on the LX, dare I say it, has grown on me a little bit. BUT ONLY IN BLACK.

gx (prado) will never have the feel of the bug boy 200 or 300

glad you saw the light and returned to the herd

 

[Specialeyes]

The LX600 market nowadays has been pretty flat; you'd have to find a ratty one to get a 'deal.'

In 2024 only 6000 units were sold so it's pretty low volume.

In 2024 around 29,000 GX550s were sold.

I haven’t paid all that much (really any) attention to the used 600 market. I only took a peek the other day because someone here made a comment about the engine warrantied Vins being drastically discounted. That turned out to be a bunch of horse hockey. Speaking strictly on 200 Series tho the LX is a much better value proposition.

I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the LX OT and see some driving reviews on them. I still have not driven a LX of any flavor but admit I do have some interest in a 700 OT.

 

[Oakleyguy]

I haven’t paid all that much (really any) attention to the used 600 market. I only took a peek the other day because someone here made a comment about the engine warrantied Vins being drastically discounted. That turned out to be a bunch of horse hockey. Speaking strictly on 200 Series tho the LX is a much better value proposition.

I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the LX OT and see some driving reviews on them. I still have not driven a LX of any flavor but admit I do have some interest in a 700 OT.

Certainly, I'm really excited based on my experience in the LX6 which felt like the true successor to my LC200. Sans tailgate of course.

As par for course, it'll be going off pavement with less than 100 miles on it. Right off the lot I'm taking it straight to the trails.

 

[unclemat]

doesnt big rigs that go millions of miles have turbos?

Diesel turbos. And big displacement. Totally different story. It's apples vs. orangutans.

 

[Zill]

Ok, sure, it would have not been a bad vehicle, were it not for the engine.



That was a manufacturing issue, not a design issue. Should be remedied now. The turbo is and will remain a weak link of the engine. Turbos have merit in performance applications, but it is completely boneheaded idea in a truck like this. I am also for improving gas mileage, but not at the expense of the vehicle longevity. It is net loss from the point of view of energy use / lifecycle, but on par with the disposable society. I absolutely deplore the green terrorists who inflicted these insane regulations/incentives on manufactures and thus on us.

If it’s truly remedied by now, why are 2025 Tundras still experiencing bearing failures? There’s a reason why they have been playing around with the affected bearings and changing the part numbers while forcing the engineers to be silent on the issue. It’s absolutely a design issue.

I do agree that it’s asinine to force manufactures to design unreliable vehicles at the benefit of saving a few droplets of fuel on each drive. It’s not sustainable in the slightest, but these are our options now for new vehicles.

If the turbo goes out on the 2.4L, you also have room to work on it and it won’t require a cab off removal to fix it unlike the 3.4 TT.

 

[Supra Turbo]

I think the one job the 200 does better than any other Toyota SUV offering is towing--and that's part of why I chose one. But it comes along with a lot of extra stuff that I would consider "baggage" for my use case (size/weight/inefficiency).

Its all in what ones needs are... The last three of your points are partially why we bought our 200. Its big without being massive, its heavy in case of roadrage, and inefficient (stealth wealth). Its perfect for our Neiman Marcus runs

 

[ryanCA]

Diesel turbos. And big displacement. Totally different story. It's apples vs. orangutans.

appreciate the edumucation... definitely don't miss the mass$holes after I left that shi tty state

 

[ryanCA]

If it’s truly remedied by now, why are 2025 Tundras still experiencing bearing failures? There’s a reason why they have been playing around with the affected bearings and changing the part numbers while forcing the engineers to be silent on the issue. It’s absolutely a design issue.

dont listen to him. of course it isn't remedied

same problem started in 2018 in the LS500 v6tt bearing problems, motors going kaput

Toyota put the same crap in the Tundra and the GX wihtout ever fixing the issues... and the LX of course too...

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the best part is the dealer monkeys who cant even change oil properly are trusted do these engine swaps... LOL

used tundra/gx/lx... people will have a wake up call

 

[unclemat]

appreciate the edumucation... definitely don't miss the mass$holes after I left that shi tty state

Certainly a s***ty place, I also left it, did not update info here. But you went even s***tiest state... CA. Hope the weather makes it up for you.

 

[ryanCA]

inefficient (stealth wealth). Its perfect for our Neiman Marcus runs

my favorite part of stealth wealth is how much we talk about it here on the forums....

LOL


i had some friends from a poor American state ($2 gas - yet they have teslas) visit me over the holidays

they were in our LX and our LC when we filled with $5.89/gas..

Theya re like "why dont you buy teslas"

me; sorry we are too poor to buy new cars

 

[ryanCA]

Certainly a s***ty place, I also left it, did not update info here. But you went even s***tiest state... CA. Hope the weather makes it up for you.

You may have left the state, but the attitude and ignorance has followed you

No clue about the weather. I live indoors.

 

[unclemat]

If it’s truly remedied by now, why are 2025 Tundras still experiencing bearing failures? There’s a reason why they have been playing around with the affected bearings and changing the part numbers while forcing the engineers to be silent on the issue. It’s absolutely a design issue.

I do agree that it’s asinine to force manufactures to design unreliable vehicles at the benefit of saving a few droplets of fuel on each drive. It’s not sustainable in the slightest, but these are our options now for new vehicles.

If the turbo goes out on the 2.4L, you also have room to work on it and it won’t require a cab off removal to fix it unlike the 3.4 TT.

I admit I don't know for sure, I don't care, but it seemed they have a legit fix after issuing this mega recall. Whatever, I don't think I ever own a turbo car again. I am cool with my V8/V6/H6 dinosaurs and EVs for daily duty.

 

[unclemat]

You may have left the state, but the attitude and ignorance has followed you

No clue about the weather. I live indoors.

I wasn't here for a while, but I think I remember you now. I think your attitude speaks for itself. Don't bother responding, you're clearly a combative troll not worth anyone's time. Goodbye.

 

[Specialeyes]

If it’s truly remedied by now, why are 2025 Tundras still experiencing bearing failures?

You have any reliable sources on this? I just skimmed over one of the more popular Tundra forums and found no such reports. Found one single Reddit post which I take with a grain of salt. Seems like the majority of these failures were concentrated to ‘22 and ‘23 model years with an occasional ‘24 mentioned.

 

[ryanCA]

You have any reliable sources on this? I just skimmed over one of the more popular Tundra forums and found no such reports. Found one single Reddit post which I take with a grain of salt. Seems like the majority of these failures were concentrated to ‘22 and ‘23 model years with an occasional ‘24 mentioned.

tons of it happen ing on 2024

our farm 2024 pos is at I-10 toyota with its motor open.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ToyotaTundra/s/YEbQwVKlUU

 

[Heckraiser]

The turbo is and will remain a weak link of the engine. Turbos have merit in performance applications, but it is completely boneheaded idea in a truck like this.

Your friendly reminder that Toyota has been putting turbos in Land Cruisers for about 40 years