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@Oakleyguy, am I reading this right that you gave up the GX550 for the LX700? if you posted this exchange in the 250 forum, those guys would absolutely melt down.
Thoughts From the 200 Crew On the LC250 Reveal (5 Viewers)
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I respectfully disagree and would say that the aesthetic of the 250 is the natural evolution of the 90 series Prado:
well said.
not sure why people would insult the 60 series... by associating the garbage 250 with it
He is a smart man.
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Someone posted this highly accurate assessment of the 250 market on reddit and 250 guys lost their minds...
https://packaged-media.redd.it/8t63...00&s=1f08d362158c8f60f53a15caf7e76d925a45388f
https://packaged-media.redd.it/8t63...00&s=1f08d362158c8f60f53a15caf7e76d925a45388f
I agree. The 250s are definitely more adventure-ready than the Q7 or GV80, so I stand corrected on that point.
That is a great clip. Put a big smile on my face.
Do us a solid and post a new thread in the 250 forum with this? Those guys are gonna whine and melt like grilled cheese.
if 250 guys had brains - they wouldn't be 250 owners....
250-series or new 4Runner are not bad vehicles, styling is cartoonish but not bad, and utility and capability seems pretty great. Small details, but I really like plastic overfenders makes so much sense for an off-road vehicle to protect paint there.
There is one deal breaker. A s***ty strained 4-banger with a snail. Sad effect of CAFE, but this is just garbage engine with half if not 1/3 of the life than a good ole Toyota V6 or V8 (if the turbo does not explode sooner). And with a s***ty fuel economy on top of it. I never saw a turbo engine matching it rating unless you drive like a total grandma. Don't try to convince me about small turbo engines. Been there, done that, no thanks, they are better than they used to be, but still crap. I own 7 cars and all are normally aspirated (or not aspirated at all).
GX is a better proposition, sad it is a turbo, but higher displacement always helps.
So glad to have two 200-series. With some luck they will outlast me.
There is one deal breaker. A s***ty strained 4-banger with a snail. Sad effect of CAFE, but this is just garbage engine with half if not 1/3 of the life than a good ole Toyota V6 or V8 (if the turbo does not explode sooner). And with a s***ty fuel economy on top of it. I never saw a turbo engine matching it rating unless you drive like a total grandma. Don't try to convince me about small turbo engines. Been there, done that, no thanks, they are better than they used to be, but still crap. I own 7 cars and all are normally aspirated (or not aspirated at all).
GX is a better proposition, sad it is a turbo, but higher displacement always helps.
So glad to have two 200-series. With some luck they will outlast me.
Shi tty enigne + Shi tty fuel economy (your words) = do make a bad vehicle.
Remind me again, what new engine is Toyota producing that’s seizing up? The TTV6 3.4L that’s known to have bearing issues with a 30k bill to get replaced? Why would you want that TTV6 in a Land Cruiser?
The 2.4L, even though it’s small, is mighty off the line with the instant torque of the battery assist. I haven’t seen reports of a failed 2.4L yet, so in my eyes, it’s the better engine when you are looking at these two engine options.
This is all about heat management, and Toyota did their homework on keeping the engine and turbos cool on this motor, it just sucks it sounds like crap.
Granted, if they dropped a big V8 in the 250, I would upgrade in a heartbeat. It’s hard to make up for the lack of V8 sound and harmony.
The 2.4L, even though it’s small, is mighty off the line with the instant torque of the battery assist. I haven’t seen reports of a failed 2.4L yet, so in my eyes, it’s the better engine when you are looking at these two engine options.
This is all about heat management, and Toyota did their homework on keeping the engine and turbos cool on this motor, it just sucks it sounds like crap.
Granted, if they dropped a big V8 in the 250, I would upgrade in a heartbeat. It’s hard to make up for the lack of V8 sound and harmony.
Using that logic
, The 1.8L in our Corolla has no failures in last 20 years.I think we should have LC with the 1.8L in it.
the 5.7L has radiator problems, timing chain problems, camshaft problems, head gasket problems, leaky cam tower.... etc etc...
The 1.8L doesn’t have the torque required to move these heavy pigs down the interstateUsing that logic
I think we should have LC with the 1.8L in it.
the 5.7L has radiator problems, timing chain problems, camshaft problems, head gasket problems, leaky cam tower.... etc etc...
One point for the 250 and against the 200 that I don’t see mentioned all that often is for a prospective buyer who wants a brand new Land Cruiser their only option (in North America) is the 250. Shopping for a used 200 in my experience has been a PITA. Lots of ratty trucks out there on market. The cream puffs are priced way too high. Then you think you found a good deal on a clean rig only to later find out the previous owner did something to it and had some paint/body work done and who knows what else?
Given the option I prefer to buy new knowing nobody else has ran into a telephone pole, skipped an oil change, etc. Getting a manufactures warranty is just a nice cherry on top.
Given the option I prefer to buy new knowing nobody else has ran into a telephone pole, skipped an oil change, etc. Getting a manufactures warranty is just a nice cherry on top.
Ok, sure, it would have not been a bad vehicle, were it not for the engine.
That was a manufacturing issue, not a design issue. Should be remedied now. The turbo is and will remain a weak link of the engine. Turbos have merit in performance applications, but it is completely boneheaded idea in a truck like this. I am also for improving gas mileage, but not at the expense of the vehicle longevity. It is net loss from the point of view of energy use / lifecycle, but on par with the disposable society. I absolutely deplore the green terrorists who inflicted these insane regulations/incentives on manufactures and thus on us.
LX600?
True, I forgot about that tbh. Go for it if you want the Lexus badge, styling, and features. Although if I were buying a LX I’d probably be more open to buying pre owned (or CPO) because they take a bigger hit on depreciation than their Toyota counterparts and they tend to come off leases after being pampered by grey hairs. (No offense to my elders, I’m catching up)
The LX600 market nowadays has been pretty flat; you'd have to find a ratty one to get a 'deal.'
In 2024 only 6000 units were sold so it's pretty low volume.
In 2024 around 29,000 GX550s were sold.
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