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Who are these 20 to 30 year old women?
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Who are these 20 to 30 year old women?
Where do they live?
Phone numbers?
This is probably going to be very unliked, but this is just like my opinion man. This is my issue with the LC250 (1 Viewer)
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This.
I can tell your for experience, when the 5th Gen was facelifted, almost EVERYONE was hating it... And look what fenomenal hit it became !
Auto Brake hold. Should be able to turn that off from a button on the dash by the parking brake/shifter. I agree though it’s annoying.
The LX600 carried over a lot of the 120-series design language that I like so much. I think it actually looks better than the GX550. Not sure how the used market for a 600 will be in the future, but it might be an attractive option if I want to build a rig a decade from now.
I'm definitely thinking of the LX. I'm not intending to troll the LX, just don't understand what its purpose is in the current trim/configuration. It would be like selling the 4Runner only in Platinum trim. The TX makes a lot more sense to me. It's the 3 row crossover Lexus needed. Lexus is still missing the full size 3 row that the dealers want and it appears Toyota has no intention of building a Lexus trim Sequoia.
If I were running the show, I would develop a new GA-L (LS500) based unibody larger midsize SUV that is performance and luxury oriented. A production model of the LF-1 concept. This in Lexus trim. The concepts start to show enough similarities that I think it may be a real future product in the pipeline. It really needs to be either full EV or longitudinal rear drive based though. That's what the TX is not. It's a minivan without a sliding rear door. The FT-1 would be a sporty SUV built to compete directly with Range Rover.
The LX is a low-volume, large, premium SUV. Kind of like a short Escalade. I dont' think they intend to move a lot of them. I agree it's somewhat odd they chose a LC300 to build the platform, but presumably it was "the best they had".
I stand by my comment that the 600 could be great "bones" for a build in the future. They'll likely be lower-mileage and well maintained by the upper-class owners, just like many 470/460/570s were.
I stand by my comment that the 600 could be great "bones" for a build in the future. They'll likely be lower-mileage and well maintained by the upper-class owners, just like many 470/460/570s were.
I agree it has great bones for a future build. But that's not what it's sold as. It's a very nice reliable luxury street trim of the LC300. And that's kinda the issue - why offer only the street trim of the global offroad platform when the stable is full of street trims of street vehicles?
It shares the same wheelbase and rough size as a Highlander although the highlander has about 50% more interior cargo space. I'm not sure if we're calling a Highlander a large SUV now or not. It's big, but I'd still categorize it as midsize. The highlander has slightly more ground clearance.
We have a Highlander too 
. It's a great vehicle (bigger than my GX in every dimension and around the same weight), and gets killer MPG.
It also feels like a unibody SUV. It's nowhere near as substantial-feeling as my GX since it lacks a true frame and solid rear axle. It has a certain "lightness" to it as well (which my wife certainly likes and much prefers over my GX which she says "feels like driving a bus"). We love the Highlander for many reasons, but it is a mass-market vehicle and is not a premium product. FWIW, I prefer driving my GX over the Highlander, MPG be damned.
It's really a different target demographic. The LX is targeted at the old-money, upper-class crowd who likes Toyota/Lexus reliability and does not want to be seen in a GM product. They also like the "feel" of a body-on-frame SUV with a powerful engine - which the Highlander does not offer. They will also never take their LX off-road so approach/departure angles and ground clearance do not matter either. These are the same people who have been reliability buying the 470s, 460, and 570 for the past 20+ years.
. It's a great vehicle (bigger than my GX in every dimension and around the same weight), and gets killer MPG.It also feels like a unibody SUV. It's nowhere near as substantial-feeling as my GX since it lacks a true frame and solid rear axle. It has a certain "lightness" to it as well (which my wife certainly likes and much prefers over my GX which she says "feels like driving a bus"). We love the Highlander for many reasons, but it is a mass-market vehicle and is not a premium product. FWIW, I prefer driving my GX over the Highlander, MPG be damned.
It's really a different target demographic. The LX is targeted at the old-money, upper-class crowd who likes Toyota/Lexus reliability and does not want to be seen in a GM product. They also like the "feel" of a body-on-frame SUV with a powerful engine - which the Highlander does not offer. They will also never take their LX off-road so approach/departure angles and ground clearance do not matter either. These are the same people who have been reliability buying the 470s, 460, and 570 for the past 20+ years.
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This.
I can tell your for experience, when the 5th Gen was facelifted, almost EVERYONE was hating it... And look what fenomenal hit it became !
I thought the 5th gen was ugly and still do. The 6th is even worse. I'm a 3rd/4th gen fan myself, I'm not crazy about the design language Toyota has adopted for the NA market, hence part of the reason why I'm in a 100.
The new 4Runner looks pretty good, still too bad no natural aspirated V6 as an option.
Clearly bringing out the LC250 Prado as a Land Cruiser is a big mistake/scam. Disgrace to the Land Cruiser name IMO. I would be ashamed buying one and prentending I have a Land Cruiser. Toyota should keep it as Prado in the markets they do not sell a 4Runner and have it as the model below the 300. Oh well...
Clearly bringing out the LC250 Prado as a Land Cruiser is a big mistake/scam. Disgrace to the Land Cruiser name IMO. I would be ashamed buying one and prentending I have a Land Cruiser. Toyota should keep it as Prado in the markets they do not sell a 4Runner and have it as the model below the 300. Oh well...
Lol. A "scam". Take a log off the fire, chief.
You need to get up to speed. The “Prado” is called the “LandCruiser Prado” in Australia.
The Prado is a land cruiser variant. It always has been
I just watched Doug Demuro video of TRD pro 4Runner. Agreed that it’s looking good. All The styling changes are winners IMO.
Interior is great too. The dash display is really cool, for example.
Demuro is somewhat baffled by the overlap with this model and Land Cruiser, not to mention the GX and Sequoia.
4Runner and Land Cruiser have same power train, almost identical in size and off road features and likely to be close in price too. He expects 4Runner to be a bit less expensive. Doug was hoping 4Runner would be smaller with removable top.
Yeah, that’s the only problem with 4Runner-too big!
Yep, what does it say on the front. It's a Prado. And everybody calls it overseas a Prado.
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I agree.. they should have called it the Land Cruiser Prado instead of passing it off as a regular Land Cruiser. It makes the real Land Cruiser name look like a mid Grade product instead of the top end product Americans expect.
And so the rest of the world which uses Land Cruiser for the 80, 100, 200 and 300 series. Land Cruiser 70 for the 70 series... and Prado for the 120/150/250 series.
I think the feel is all about the suspension tune and steering etc. I have an RX350. Despite being the same basic thing as a highlander it feels quite different. But I don't think it's just the platform. I think it's about the engine isolation, damping, engine tune, etc. The tundra has a bunch of small changes on the higher trims like fluid cab mounts and engine mounts etc.We have a Highlander too
It also feels like a unibody SUV. It's nowhere near as substantial-feeling as my GX since it lacks a true frame and solid rear axle. It has a certain "lightness" to it as well (which my wife certainly likes and much prefers over my GX which she says "feels like driving a bus"). We love the Highlander for many reasons, but it is a mass-market vehicle and is not a premium product. FWIW, I prefer driving my GX over the Highlander, MPG be damned.
It's really a different target demographic. The LX is targeted at the old-money, upper-class crowd who likes Toyota/Lexus reliability and does not want to be seen in a GM product. They also like the "feel" of a body-on-frame SUV with a powerful engine - which the Highlander does not offer. They will also never take their LX off-road so approach/departure angles and ground clearance do not matter either. These are the same people who have been reliability buying the 470s, 460, and 570 for the past 20+ years.
The LS is a really the target I'd build on for a premium 2 row SUV though. I think an SUV version of the LS would be significantly better than the LX for highway use.
I think the core LX demographic would be happier in a luxury crossover than the LC if Lexus would build it. I'd love to see the numbers, but I'd guess about 80% are leased and don't care about the long term reliability. I'd also guess that most are buying the LX because it's the most expensive SUV in the showroom. If the prices were swapped with the TX, I bet half or more would be driving TXs. I suspect that many will migrate to the TX despite being less expensive because it's the biggest one.
I agree that it's a very small percentage of first leases or buyers who ever see a dirt road. That's why I'm not sure the LX is the right platform for that category. It's a vehicle that will be driven on the highway and could do that significantly better on a highway first platform. Like the GA-L.
What is a "regular" LC?
When the 80 came out...blasphemy
When the 100 came out....
When the 200 came out.....
We (US) should tell the rest of the world what a "real LC", and they better comply!
Back to my first cup of coffee
What is a "regular" LC?
When the 80 came out...blasphemy
When the 100 came out....
When the 200 came out.....
We (US) should tell the rest of the world what a "real LC", and they better comply!
Back to my first cup of coffee
I feel like I’m beating a dead horse here. I’m saying they should have called the 250 what it actually is.. a Land Cruiser prado.
