Builds This Is Not A F-king Jeep

[notaf-ingjeep]

I don't know any of them, or hang out at gas stations. I like to ride fairview into hunnington it's long 200+ miles. Like to ride the nebo loop, traverse mountain. I can't afford miller motorsports park, It will get costly fast. I have worked as a track marshal there for all ama and world super bike events. Utah has some of the best canyons around to ride! Stay away from state street on friday saturday night. My bike is my daily driver I go every where on it.

ben spies #1 world champ.

 

[notaf-ingjeep]

Here is my center tracking as the cruiser is now. This was the best design and ground clearance was slightly compromised in order to obtain the proper ride height to match the front suspension. Good squat characteristics were a top priority, along with the suspension's travel in relation to the chassis.

The second photo is what my center tracking would be if I raised my lowers 1.5" as has been suggested. This would greatly compromise my good squat characteristics, and how my pinion rotates. I fear that there would be too much rotation in the pinion angle. EDIT: I feel I should add that there would probably be an increase in rear steer 7 fold.

The only way for me to raise my mounts for better clearance and keep my top suspension design would be to lower the ride height overall. Also I'd have to relocate both upper and lower mounts higher on the frame. This would be fine in the future, but for now I can not lower my front "soa" shackle reversal, any lower. In the future I will likely build a new 4-link up front and a lower ride height overall can be achieved properly.

In reality I may gain a few inches of initial ground clearance by raising the lower mounts. But I would end up with a steeper more abrupt ramp for sliding up and over rocks.

As it is now I may have less ground clearance initially, I have a more horizontal and gradual ramp for sliding over obstacles. No matter what the lower links will be hit by obstacles and be used as ramps in such a manner.

I'm not sure if it is worth what I'd be sacrificing.

 

[Chop Shop]

I have done my best to rationalize my bad decisions.

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For what its worth the second picture more clearly matches you rigs center of gravity not the first/lower angled one.

getting the "squat" too for in either direction will negatively affect you aswell.
I would bring those lowers up and get the separation at the frame end of the links a little closer to each other.

!!BUT STILL ITS ALL MOOT IF YOU DONT FIX THOSE UPPER SHOCK MOUNTS!!

Now drill some complex new holes further up in them tabs and snip them up clean, then get to them upper mounts

 

[notaf-ingjeep]

I'm telling you, this design that I've used is not very adaptive to the changes you all want to pressure me to make. As is the suspension I have built will work much better as is, and that is the truth. I have spent too much time doubting my design, that was my real mistake here. In all honesty I really only adapted this design to fit my truck as it was supposed to. I copied this 4-link design from a professional buggy used in uroc competition, and built it to fit my cruiser as it was a little different. Your comments have been taken into consideration, but truthfully you have made your point.

I have evaluated the changes suggested and it would without a doubt be a mistake at this point. This is
in my opinion, I trust my own judgement more than anyone's.

As far as my coilovers go it is an experiment I have pointed this out too many times. I will not again!
I will try it and see how it works, this is better than just trusting a nameless face on the internet.

 

[CruisinFJ60]

so.... get it on the trail and lets see what it can do, then you will also know if it was a success or a fail.

 

[notaf-ingjeep]

so.... get it on the trail and lets see what it can do, then you will also know if it was a success or a fail.

You are thinking just like me! The haters can be just that, haters! I have never found any success in life by being a follower. I really only put this out there so others would know that I had actually done the work I had been on here claiming to have done.

 

[notaf-ingjeep]

Here is a photo I found of a suspension built similar mine on the cruiser frame. This would demonstrate the ultimate way to lower the lower frame brackets. I use the term "ultimate" lightly, as I considered using something like this before building what I did. The biggest problem I was worried about is that there is significantly less triangulation in the uppers than mine. I have to say that just fitting it may be a problem with the cruiser t.case, I'd have to look again to be possitive. With the lowers having very little triangulation I feared that there would be problems without a panhard bar to help control the axle.

The triangulation in the lowers is the biggest problem with shortening my lower brackets with my upper mounts as is, as has been suggested. Rear steer would be horrible if not unbearable without longer links and more triangulation. This is really not possible without the center diff and high t.case output to clear the drive line with the cruiser t.case, if anyone has pulled this off I'd love to see a pic!

On top of that without the flat belly pan as this cruiser has, I felt it wouldn't be worth it nearly as much. I would still like to keep my center tracking as parallel with the frame as possible. So a lower ride height achieved with the front 4 link would be best in my opinion. In the future I may go this route if possible.


What do you guys think about the triangulation shown here? These mounts look to be about 4", possibly more narrower than my uppers at the frame. Seems sketchy to me, I don't want side to side movement. I think that I could throw some new upper mounts like this together pretty easily and install them in the spring, it is a frozen hell now.

 

[Chop Shop]

I dont know where you are getting the idea that folks are advising you to shorten the lower links?

The setup you copied form a comp buggy is not going to work the same on your rig. Your rig has a much higher center of gravity than a comp rig.

All I was saying was to move the hole up about two inches and cut the bottom of them plows off.

Moving the hole up will bring the separation together helping you a little more.

And just cut the floor and run them shocks up where they will work.

 

[notaf-ingjeep]

No one said shorten the links, I was referring to the brackets. In order to avoid rear steer I'd need a whole other design. My center tracking also points to where the traction will be pushing the axle. Steep links aren't cool, as they will cause the axle to swing forward and back more than up and down. Also the axle will want to pivot under traction and crawl forward towards the front axle, rather than push the whole rig forward. My center tracking now will transfer almost every bit of traction into forward motion of the whole rig, not get wasted caused by a poor suspension!

I disagree with all you have suggested to me, enough is enough.


Also the comp rig I copied the initial design from was built from a FULL FRAME landcruiser cruiser fj-40. It even still had the 2f engine, only difference it had an atlas and flat belly pan, front 4-link and centered rear diff.

 

[Chop Shop]

I disagree with all you have suggested to me, enough is enough.

you are correst. I have no advice for you. You know it all. you are the man.

You will never plug up the woods in my area, thank you. good day.

 

[notaf-ingjeep]

Hey guys sorry for all the back and forth crap here, if anyone is still trying to keep up. After going back over all my notebooks and various plans made during the build I realized why I did what I did. My center tracking was one of my top issues, and still is. I compromised there with ground clearance to put the center tracking out by the front bumper as I wanted. The center tracking should be the point where all the force from the traction is directed. With my front soa, sr, I had to lower them to position it all right. A good squat % was key as well. I am more than confident that my suspension will offer ultimate traction, even as is.

I did trim down the excess material on the lower brackets so they are better, and will finish the ramps soon. I am going to give this thing hell once it is done. I built this suspension as I felt was a good starting point, you never know what you want until you use it. We will see what changes I make after I get the chance to develop it to my driving style. There is a lot of preference here and it is a complicated thing to build when you don't know what you want.

I may shorten the upper links so I can push the brackets higher than the frame, as they would need more narrow bracketing. Then raise the lowers as high as possible.

I want to find the balance in the suspension travel as far as up and down #'s go. Now I have 5" up and about 8" down before my driveline binds, that is measuring the shock not actual travel. Once again only a lot of testing will tell what I really want.

I will give the updates as they happen, with winter here I doubt much change can happen soon. Truth is with out experience using a 4-link on my cruiser, I will not know what suits my driving style best. What you see is what I felt was Important at the time, and what would be a good launching pad for future development. I am not a know it all, but I do hate being talked down to like a fool.

 

[notaf-ingjeep]

life's been crazy, several deaths of my close freinds in the past few months, mom in icu for 2 weeks. In all, with myself 26yrs old, i have 15 friends dead in past 7 years all of them between 18 - 27 years old. rip-pgc

Anyway i'm in the process of building my new garage!!!!! Soon I will have a nice concrete floor to lay on while under the cruiser! I will then purchase a tube bender, plasma cutter, and a tig welder. This will give me a new sort of freedom in my fabrication. I still have access to the machines at the shop where I work.

So this is what I'm working on now, soon it will be the cruiser once again. just wanted to drop in and let you know I havent given up. I've got some new big ideas for the cruiser, I cant wait to start fabricating. But it is one step at a time and I need to finish this garage/shop/clubhouse?

 

[Slowerthanu]

I keep reading about you claiming to not be a follower and fist fighting with someone over your offensive sticker.

Truth is, my first impression of you is of an ignorant, stubborn, selfish person that is unwilling to listen to advice and cares nothing about what others think or feel.

There are people on this forum that have built some amazing vehicles, they are giving you FREE and sound advice. You should take a step back and realize that acting 15 when you are 26 is not "cool".

I'm local and I would go hit trails with you but I don't want to pull you off the trail when your suspension fails.

 

[mookie]

anyone who hates jeeps as much as this guy can't be all bad in my book.....and i doubt that anyone's going to have to drag him off the trail cuz his suspension failed (unless he's a terrible welder) worse case scenario it just won't work as well as he hoped.....but it'll still be better than freaking leafsprings

 

[tattoosbyfreak]

nice

i had the same stickers made about 4 years back . i have mine about 4 inchs tall on each of the rear side glass. i did it to piss off my brother (he is a jeep guy) i keep telling him jeeps are for barbi.

 

[uglyoinker]

This thread cracks me up! It's awesome! Really though. Not a jeep guy. Chill out. Try not to be a drama queen. When people make suggestions to you they could have no idea what they are talking about or have wisdom and experience and are trying to pass it on. Spitting in their face only shows youth and arrogance. I'm not trying to hate. Just observing. Like I tell my redheaded step child all the time chill out. Then drink a beer

 

[BrianSanDiego]

Is this thread over?
bump....

 

[slvrbck]

This thread brings the awesomeness. Wish I was on MUD more and would have noticed it sooner.

 

[cruiser88]

wheel it..............problem solved

 

[mookie]

whatever happened to this guy/build?