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all that engineering into a pair of HOLES?

You should have put the same amount of thought into the upper shock mounts/location/angle.

You have much more important things to engineer if ever want to wheel this thing.

Happy holes:beer:
 
Chop Shop said:
all that engineering into a pair of HOLES?

You should have put the same amount of thought into the upper shock mounts/location/angle.

You have much more important things to engineer if ever want to wheel this thing.

Happy holes:beer:
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I did put that same effort into the shock mounts. I mounted them in that fashion because I wanted to keep my floor in the back. I new it wasn't ideal, I wanted to try it first, before I started hacking away. I knew that it would be changed at some point. Hell I calculated everything, building the brackets to work without binding wasn't something you could just throw together. I knew how much efficiency would be lost from the angles and what all the angles were exactly. There is a good possibility that it will be dovetailed, or tubed out at some point, I can mount them better then. It isn't a custom buggy you have to work around things, in this case the frame, it's right in the way.

I will do things my way
 
bustanutley said:
you no longer need that part of the frame with a linked suspension. fyi ;)
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All this work doesn't happen overnight. What would the body mount on? I want to be able to play with my ideas. It is a rather extensive project to cut and rebuild all that, I would love to do it. I'd really hate to lose my hard top as I would still like to use in the very cold winter. I'm a little torn on what I will do in the future. I would love to totally change it all, but I do not have the time now, in the immediate. I have lots of priorities in life, the cruiser comes and goes. I have been all over this stuff the last couple months. I wish I hadn't broken so many bones this year, I would have gotten more done. This by far has been one of my worst years for injuries. Both of my shoulders, my right hand twice, my big toe in the spring, and my knees are trashed. I didn't accomplish half of my goals for the year, cruiser related and other. I don't plan to change my reckless ways ever. I'm hoping that this rockcrawling stuff will fill the void when I'm too old and broken. My ideas for my cruiser are always evolving, time will tell where I end up taking it.
 
John Smith said:
Is it your distorted pictures fooling me or are you running no misalignment bushings on any of your joints?
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Small ones, they will offer a few extra degrees, but don't down size the bolt. I have not had any binding issues, no problems, so far. Wasn't real familiar with them (high misalignment spacers) when I started building it a year and a half back. I made these spacers myself at the machine shop.

The main reason I built this 4-link was to learn. Otherwise I'd just left leafs on it and extended it back a couple more inches. I took risks just to see what would work for myself. I will rebuild somethings without a doubt. I may have built it with high misalignment spacers if I could go back. I haven't needed them but just the same, no reason to not have used them. I just didn't know better at the time. I am the kind of person who just has to teach myself, that is how I learn the best. Often that means learning the hard way, I'm fine with that it's just who I am.


At some point in life I do plan to build a competition worthy buggy, and use accordingly in competition. I don't know if that buggy will be some future evolution of my cruiser or something else totally original. It seems like these days what it takes to win is a buggy that is built in a way that this cruiser couldn't be. The point here is this cruiser is the launching pad for the future. How far I take this cruiser is one thing, I could at some point start fresh. All the money and the time spent on learning was an investment to me.
 
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there are certainly some engineering things I might do differently. I could get a list going, but I'm not any master engineer myself.

I am not a big fan of gratuitous profanity.

You might very well not want your young child around my campfire late at night, but I will do my best to not offend needlessly. That sticker is stupid.
 
Hey, why haven't I seen you around? Cool rig, what part of PG are you in?
 
mookie said:
you prolly won't need a anti-sway bar as long as you've got leafs in the front.....
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From what I've seen, most of the time the guys who need a sway bar most are those with a mix of leaves and links... otherwise, the back does all the work... what's your take?

Rich "he who is swaybarless" Q.
 
Lka1988 said:
Hey, why haven't I seen you around? Cool rig, what part of PG are you in?
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I've had my cruiser for 8 years, since high school. I could have known some of your relatives, based on your last name, from the old baseball days. I'm from the old part of town. R.I.P pgc

It doesn't see the street much anymore. I have too much to finish this year. So it will be spring before she's out for fun.
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I am sorry if you all aren't impressed, truthfully I don't care. It isn't perfect, and as I have been saying, a lot is only done enough to test it . And there isn't any problems from and engineering stand point that I haven't considered my self first you could point out, compromise was needed. I expected every criticism thrown my way. The lower mounts or the rock hangers might get changed, as is w/ramps they will be great, I promise . I have built a jig so I can drill some decent holes in it w/ good accuracy. I refuse to just slap some poorly drilled holes in it, I don't do that sort of fabrication. The coilovers are a problem to most as well. Personally, my goal here was to make them fit. I wanted to try it for myself first, as I feel it will work well, although not ideal. To repeat myself again, I will change it later if it needs it or I just want to improve it. I am not sure of what I may do to the rear of the frame in the future. If you can't respect it then, you've lost sight of what I was trying to do. As far as my sticker goes it stays! I understand how it will effect some people, if it offends I'm willing to apologize. If that isn't good enough well, I'm not afraid of much, and this is America!

I will post some updates as soon as they are done. I have been occupied with bigger priorities so I'll get them done asap
 
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Eskimo said:
From what I've seen, most of the time the guys who need a sway bar most are those with a mix of leaves and links... otherwise, the back does all the work... what's your take?

Rich "he who is swaybarless" Q.
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I'm not sure if a mix of suspensions as mentioned by eskimo would need sway bars most, I might not be surprised. I haven't done any good testing yet with hard turns and speed, just some slow crawling and flexing the suspension. But I still need to test a bunch, I basically assumed it was the soft really long travel suspension that would be the cause for needing the antirock bars. I see mookie's point that the shorter travel suspension with the leafs up front would help in that respect. Remember leafs on their own don't need sway bars.

I do need to know if Placing the sway bars in rear of the axle or in front of the axle closet to the drive train, which would be the best for sway control? Comments any one?

I can say that...........................
When I pick the whole rear end up, tires off the ground. Then push on the tire, forcing the axle side to side in order to test if my triangulation was enough to hold it centered. It doesn't move the rear axle in that respect, but the front does slop side to side quite a bit. Like I said I felt my rear suspension needed the sway bars mainly because of soft springs and monster travel. I've driven on that front suspension for years so there's nothing new there. I haven't tested it the other way around, lifting the front up so tires are off the ground and seeing how the rear responds to the same test. I'm curious to try that to see what happens, better or worse front vs back with side to side motion. I say that the rear moves less side to side, as it should, but has more travel. It might be that the weight of the truck swinging is what is needed because of the forces. THis may be the way to properly test what the suspension that is planted on the ground with have for side to side motion. I'll try it for fun and find out when I can.
 
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2008 gixxer 600?
 
notaf-ingjeep said:
I do need to know if Placing the sway bars in rear of the axle or in front of the axle closet to the drive train, which would be the best for sway control? Comments any one?
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Doesn't matter.

notaf-ingjeep said:
When I pick the whole rear end up, tires off the ground. Then push on the tire, forcing the axle side to side in order to test if my triangulation was enough to hold it centered.
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If that was your "test", you're in for a shock when you get it out on the trail...

I think people's problem with your rig is that in one post you'll acknowledge something like "Yes, I realize now that as the suspension compresses, I'll lose something like 80% of my dampening", and then in the next post, say something like "Remember leafs on their own don't need sway bars." like you know what you're talking about..
 
just my experience....my friends rig is linked front and rear and he had terrible body roll until he got a anti-sway bar, my rig is linked in the back and leafed in the front and i haven't had any problems....it no doubt has a lot to do with with the center of gravity and how the suspension is set up.....it seems like folks with air shocks have the worst problem with the body flopping over on side hills etc......hell just take it out and drive it on the trail a while then you'll know if you need one or not and whether your shocks are gonna work right or not. i think you'd be a lot happier if you cut holes in the floor and stuck them up on the same vertical plane as your axle though
 
Eskimo said:
Doesn't matter.



If that was your "test", you're in for a shock when you get it out on the trail...

I think people's problem with your rig is that in one post you'll acknowledge something like "Yes, I realize now that as the suspension compresses, I'll lose something like 80% of my dampening", and then in the next post, say something like "Remember leafs on their own don't need sway bars." like you know what you're talking about..
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I have done my best to defend myself, sorry if my communication over the net isn't the best.
 
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ride much? I hope you don't hang out at a certain chevron with a bunch of guys calling themselves the darkside riders? I have a 06 gixxer 1000. I try to avoid posertopia state street and hang out in the canyons and at miller...
 
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