The road to a new Tranny...2000 LC.

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I have read all of the threads about the poor 2000 tranny and after 140k miles I thought I was in the clear, apparently not. This is a bit long but I wanted to share my experience.

A couple of weeks ago we took off out of Austin and headed for Ouray, Colorado. As one of the directors of the FJ Summit I was supposed to be there a few days early to finish up the pre-event work. We decided to break the trip up a bit and go see some friends in Midland, Tx. for one night then head on up to Santa Fe for a relaxing weekend. We made it to Santa Fe without issue and parked the LC for the weekend. I had my fridge in the back and decided to go out an start the truck to recharge the battery, to my surprise the check engine light came on...Do What? I scanned the code with my scan gauge and up popped code P0715, its a speed sensor code with the sensor being located on the side of the tranny. After a bit of reading I thought I had figured out which sensor it was. I contacted Beaver Toyota on Monday morning and low and behold they had the sensor in stock for $259, Ouch, I skipped breakfast and went to pick up the part. On the way over I heard what sounded like gravel clunking around from under the truck but just for a second...hmmm, not good but I thought it possible that the computer was not allowing things to sync up properly. When I got to the dealership I decided to have them run a diagnostic on the vehicle. They came back and said it was a sensor but not the sensor I thought it was and that they would have to overnight the part in....another night in Santa Fe and a day late to Ouray.

The next day they guys got my truck in and pulled the sensor and there was a chunck of metal magnetized to it :crybaby:. I asked that the tech drain the fluid from the pan and to our surprise there was nothing, poured the fluid over white paper and still nothing. I told him to fill it back up, put the new sensor in and get me out of there. The guys at Beaver were great to work with and I would not hesitate to recommend them.

We headed out and within a few feet the SES light came back on so I reset it and kept going...it then came right back on... The tech did tell me that his system was telling him that the problem was in the overdrive and as we headed up the highway the overdrive sounded like a wounded moose. Solution, turn the overdrive off and what do ya know,:idea: it worked!

We made it from Santa Fe to Ouray, up 550 over a few high mountain passes, where I know there would be plenty of knowledgeable people to ask about WT>>>? After talking with Christo & Ben, the regional Toyota service guys out of Denver, a lead engineer from TRD and a few others the conclusion was....the overdrive was bad. Apparently there is a bearing that goes bad and everyone agreed that trying to fix it was not a good idea, the best approach would be to find a reman somewhere.

Luckily my good friend Jacque from TRDParts4u was there and he, with the help of his counterpart Barbara who was stuck in the office, started the search. They located the one available tranny and hooked a brother up! This means that if yours goes you might just get my old one that is set to become a reman.

Unfortunately I didnt get to wheel my truck while in Ouray but did get out on the trails in a borrowed FJ. I did make it all the way back to Austin and then up to Dallas where Toyota of Dallas is doing the install as I type this. 12 hours labor and a new tranny is not cheap but I have no plans to swap vehicles any time soon.

As an FYI I did regularly drop the fluid out of the pan and replace with M1. When we drained the pan the fluid didnt smell burnt and was clean as a whistle.

I will pick the Cruiser up later this week and report back.
 
Dang, figured I was in the clear at 135k. Is this bearing the usual suspect on the 2000 model?
 
According to previous posts that I read the OD is the problem. I can only assume that the bearing is the culprit.
 
Hate to hear you got bit by the Y2k bug. :frown: Sounds like it happened amongst the best company it could have happened around though!
 
What is the service history on your tranny? Would be interested to find out, if a well maintain one will go south as well.
 
Has anyone ever used this opportunity to switch to the newer 5 speed? What else would need to change beside the tranny and maybe the computer?

I was kind of hoping Matt would be the guinea pig and do this switch :)

From what i have read those are what you need to switch but there is some problem with getting the TCU to talk with the ECU.
 
Toyotapartsales lists the tranny at $2900, I got a little better deal than that. On top of that its 12 hours labor to do the install. The dealership did call late this morning to tell me the rear main seal was bad and that would be another $100, I thought that seal had to be replaced anyway but whatever at this point. They have not called back so I can only assume things are going well.

When I purchased the truck last July the records showed no tranny problems, dont recall weather fluid changes had been done but I did them regularly with oil changes. Like I said, the fluid that came out of the pan was like new. The tech, service advisor, and I were shocked that there was no visible metal in the fluid.

From what I read, Layton is correct in the fact that at newer 5 speed tranny will not work in a 2000 because the ECU is not programmed to work with it. I will leave that to someone else to figure out.

I did ask the service advisor to take a pic or save the tranny for me to see when I pick my Cruiser up so I could post up pics on here, he said he would see what he could do.
 
I wonder what all parts are needed for the swap to the A750. I wonder if you could find a wrecked 03-04 LC or LX and buy the trans, TCU, ECU and be good to go.
 
Give it a go Layton!
 
The better gearing and piece of mind would be nice.

Would it be a few grand, 12+ hours of work nice? Dunno.
If someone else does it and shows it can be done, all you need are the parts, then i will in the future. The A750 is the only reason i wish i would have bought an 03-05.
 
The better gearing and piece of mind would be nice.

Would it be a few grand, 12+ hours of work nice? Dunno.
If someone else does it and shows it can be done, all you need are the parts, then i will in the future. The A750 is the only reason i wish i would have bought an 03-05.

Agreed. Do our A343s have any value if they haven't exploded yet? If I could sell my 90k trans to help with the cost of switching to the A750, I'd consider it. Sounds like we're right. You'd need to swap both the computers with one from 03-05.

Maybe Beno or someone would know how much all the parts would cost. You'd probably have to switch the gear shifter and center console cover part with the newer one, but that's pretty simple.
 
I do not get the 12 hours for removing and replacing a transmission....having had my tranny out for a leaking rear main, it was more like 6 hours for two amateurish mechanics without a lift. Good luck with you new tranny....should last for a long, long time.....
 
^ Thanks, the 12 hours is book and i am sure most good mechs can do it in considerably less time. Swapping the tranny is way above my :banana::banana: ability plus it will have some warranty, I believe one year but not sure.

My understanding is that the remans have had all the bugs worked out and are much more of a solid unit, I guess I will have first hand knowledge.
 
^ Not sure but I would imagine they are rebuilt somewhere here in the states.

Dealership called yesterday and said everything went well and the Cruiser is ready to go. If you have to have this done at the dealership you would have to figure that the total repair with a new rear main seal is gonna cost you about $4200 - $4500. Thats figuring the tranny at $2900 and the labor, 12 book hours, at $100 - $125 per hour plus the rear main seal. I am thankful for good friends and will be heading to the Liquor store to pick up a thank you bottle of quality bourbon.

Ill pick up the rig on Friday and report back.
 
Book hours are always higher than actual, thats how the dealership makes $$$ but I am sure you already know that. I have known plenty of techs that could do jobs in half the book hours but that didnt change the hours charged. Its kinda like them charging you an hour labor for programming your key, a 1 minute job...or if you call your attorney you will get whacked for a 20 minute minimum for a 2 minute call.

My security in having the dealership do it lies in the comfort that it was done right and that it comes with a warranty.
 

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