Sequoia vs 100 series

[nukegoat]

Been thinking that Toyota built a wolf in sheep's clothing with the Sequoia. Same engine, trans, etc, but bigger and more American. Anyone able to even tell the difference on road? To me, the Sequoia only lacks the night view and mark levenstein stereo but has seat memory and leather and nav and full time 4wd and solid rear axle.

What are the technical differences?

 

[Pucker5]

I don’t know about the technical but I’ve had a 2004 sequoia that I bought in the wrapping and my current 2003 Landcruiser that I bought at 120k on the clock. while I loved that my sequoia was in immaculate condition at 150k miles because I took care of it, I prefer my Landcruiser in all its flaws. However, should my wife get her way one of these years and force me to sell my cruiser A 2006/2007 sequoia would probably be my second choice.

 

[nukegoat]

I don’t know about the technical but I’ve had a 2004 sequoia that I bought in the wrapping and my current 2003 Landcruiser that I bought at 120k on the clock. while I loved that my sequoia was in immaculate condition at 150k miles because I took care of it, I prefer my Landcruiser in all its flaws

The Sequoia also has Dana, the 100 does not

 

[silver02accord]

I thought I also read the computer/ecu or whatever controls atrac or vsc etc. wasn't geared for as much off road use and is more intrusive. I can't recall where i read that though.

 

[White Stripe]

Rear axle on the 1St gen is a 8.5 I believe. 100 rear axle is 9.5. The rockers are lower and the wheel opening smaller too I believe. So the body is a little more clunky for a offroad build.

 

[JunkCrzr89]

1st gen Sequoia (00-07) was graced with Toyota’s worst knuckle + lower ball joint design ever produced. Identical to 1st gen Tacos, 1st gen Tundras, and 3rd gen 4runners. The LBJs are ticking time bombs that rarely give indication of impending doom...the LBJ design also has 5 potential failure points.

Also, the front wheel bearing design is fubar. The bearings are sealed and can’t be serviced, so the options for fixing play are to 1) pull knuckle off, cut bearing out, press newbearing in, or 2) replace knuckle.

We bitch and moan about the 100’s torsion bar IFS, but it’s superior to Toyota’s other alternative at the time...

Rear axle on the 1St gen is a 8.5 I believe.

It’s an 8” 2-pinion diff in the rear. Front is 7.5” clamshell idiocy. Both are weaker than the 100’s 9.5” rear and 8” front...

 

[hickuptruck]

Yeah, Sequoias are pretty good. Considering how cheap they go for, and how much the 100 series prices have been. A lot of value for its money, far more than the 100. Its built for Americans and American road conditions. Its kind of like Tacoma to Hilux, and Sequoia to Land Cruiser. One is just built more for Americans, taste and road conditions

Also, you might even have a pretty new frame on the Sequoias because they were recalled due to the garbage Dana pumped out.

 

[Njck22]

That instrument panel and column shifter. Yep thats american alright. The ford explorer should be an example of what NOT to do!

underhood it uses a simpler(and more servicable) typical vacuum assist brake booster, meaning the atrac system is going to feel different because it’s a less sophisticated system. The air filter is smaller.

 

[VinylSeats]

That instrument panel and column shifter. Yep thats american alright.
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underhood it uses a simpler(and more servicable) typical vacuum assist brake booster, meaning the atrac system is going to feel different because it’s a less sophisticated system. The air filter is smaller.

That interior is an absolute crime.

 

[krice118]

Gross.

 

[abuck99]

In the class of large soccer mom SUV's (Tahoe, Expedition etc) A 5.7L powered Sequioa would be versatile (like a pickup) to tow boats, campers (10k+/- tow capacity 1,400lb payload), light offroad duty ( ranch & forrest road) would make a great travel vehicle. But its way too big- heavy-wide- long to be an effective trail truck, in fact the 100 is a little too big-wide-heavy. Personally I never cared for the look of the Sequoia- small looking wheels & wheel openings, weird design lines, etc just not appealing to me. Aside of any reliability differences, I prefer the look and feel of a Tahoe or Yukon (6.2L) over a sequoia in this class of SUV.

 

[Beau]

The LBJ was defo a concern but I wouldn't say they go out all of a sudden. People just don't check for play. I have a 99 tacoma and 97 landcruiser prado, both have original LBJ and are over 250k miles with no play. Both trucks are on original bearings as well. I actually think bearing wise it's superior to the 100, as it doesn't require the maintenance the 100 requires. I've owned my prado for 20+ years, and the tacoma 10+.

 

[TonyT]

I've had 3 early 100's and a 2002 Sequoia. No problems with any of them from an engine/transmission perspective. I had to replace the rear end in the Sequoia when I bought it due to the axle seals leaking all the fluid which wore out the ring and pinion (133k miles). Door hardware has been replaced for 3/4 passenger doors and all the hardware for the lift gate opening and window went out. Seat leather and interior overall is MUCH cheaper and falling apart. Front suspension was rebuilt on one side due to bearing going out and the strut broke at the neck when I hit a 2" deep pothole. The sequoia still drives fine with 200k+ miles but figure on fixing non critical things every 6 months or so. I've lost track of all the fixes

The 100 is a true Toyota. In comparison, the sequoia is like an old dodge with a cummins in it. The engine will run forever but the vehicle will fall apart around it.

 

[jammingator]

The 100 is a true Toyota. In comparison, the sequoia is like an old dodge with a cummins in it. The engine will run forever but the vehicle will fall apart around it.

As the owner of both a 2001 100 series and a 2001 Dodge with a Cummins - I resemble that remark!

Actually the Dodge has been a great vehicle with few issues, though I am currently looking at the possibility of the dreaded vp44 injection pump failure :-(

 

[Exiled]

My $0.02. Sequoias are great vehicles for their intended market. It was designed specifically for the US market to compete against the Tahoe and Expedition, and it did so well. They're BIG, significantly bigger than contemporary Land Cruisers and feel bigger. I think they make great road trip vehicles and -when properly modified- do well on trails that can handle a vehicle of those dimensions. Like the Tundra, I think the current Sequoias are looking pretty dated vs. their competitors (in particular the watered-down Nissan Patrol sold in the US as the Nissan Armada and the Infiniti whatever).
The Land Cruiser is a totally different animal. It's a global platform, designed for the "roads" of Pakistan, the extreme conditions of Australia, Africa and South America. Most components are over-built, designed to last a long time, and in many cases over-engineered even for the expected use. This is also why Land Cruisers are SO expensive, they don't usually share platform or many components with other Toyota vehicles produced at scale. They're built in small batches to exacting levels and with less automation than other platforms.

 

[ramangain]

Sequoia feels cavernous inside compared to the Hundy. The brake pedal feel is also much more "wooden". Noise insulation sounds nonexistant compared to my LX.

 

[CanyonLX]

A wolf in a sheep’s clothing? I would consider the Sequoia more of a 4 Runner in a Panda’s clothing.

One area where it will always beat the 100; kids/gear hauling ability.

 

[nukegoat]

My $0.02. Sequoias are great vehicles for their intended market. It was designed specifically for the US market to compete against the Tahoe and Expedition, and it did so well. They're BIG, significantly bigger than contemporary Land Cruisers and feel bigger. I think they make great road trip vehicles and -when properly modified- do well on trails that can handle a vehicle of those dimensions. Like the Tundra, I think the current Sequoias are looking pretty dated vs. their competitors (in particular the watered-down Nissan Patrol sold in the US as the Nissan Armada and the Infiniti whatever).
The Land Cruiser is a totally different animal. It's a global platform, designed for the "roads" of Pakistan, the extreme conditions of Australia, Africa and South America. Most components are over-built, designed to last a long time, and in many cases over-engineered even for the expected use. This is also why Land Cruisers are SO expensive, they don't usually share platform or many components with other Toyota vehicles produced at scale. They're built in small batches to exacting levels and with less automation than other platforms.

Isn't the land cruiser engine, suspension linkage, transmission, brake calipers, etc all just parts bin stuff? I mean, it seems that the engine and trans are the core of the platform and those aren't special or "overbuilt" beyond the tundra/4runner/sequoia applications?

Also, plastic heater tees, I dont' think the sequoia has that problem

 

[Mike NXP]

I remember there being some differences when it came to center diff locking as well, something like it will only lock up if in 4lo? Not really a big deal just trying to think of differences.

 

[Njck22]

Isn't the land cruiser engine, suspension linkage, transmission, brake calipers, etc all just parts bin stuff? I mean, it seems that the engine and trans are the core of the platform and those aren't special or "overbuilt" beyond the tundra/4runner/sequoia applications?

Also, plastic heater tees, I dont' think the sequoia has that problem

Being made in japan counts for something to most people, I think the culture over there contributes to better assemblies (engines, transmissions), versus the us counterpart, but that's just anecdotal, as the million mile 4.7 was built in the US.

I actually see Toyota using parts bin parts for maintenance items as a good thing, their parts are pretty good(why change what has been proven works well?) and I like the availability.
So while maintenance items may be common, what makes the land cruiser special (suspension design, strength of the frame and components, etc) are actually unique. Also a lot of land cruiser electrical and interior interface parts are unique, and considerably higher quality (door panel assemblies, wiring harnesses), part of why they are so expensive.

Sequoia has the same two heater tees. no idea why we only hear about it on our platform.