SAS SAS #9 Official Page 08/04/25- 08/08/25 (73 Viewers)

[Mike Shull]

That generational cruiser thing you got going is pretty cool.
I wonder how many on here have their ‘family heirloom’?

That would be a pretty cool chat around the campfire. In hindsight this one probably should have been restored had I not cut it up when I was 15. I’m happy with my decisions though as it has never driven better and I am excited to get it back to the area that the Cruiser was originally intended for.

 

[Mike Shull]

Don’t be caught without safety equipment.

I need to replace my recovery ropes and there are so many options. What do you all recommend. I am also thinking of doing volunteer rescue so I need something durable. My machine slings and rigid ropes from centuries ago are still good, but I imagine that the new technology ropes are much safer.

 

[Kleatus]

Don’t be caught without safety equipment.

I need to replace my recovery ropes and there are so many options. What do you all recommend. I am also thinking of doing volunteer rescue so I need something durable. My machine slings and rigid ropes from centuries ago are still good, but I imagine that the new technology ropes are much safer.

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I keep some straps (certified US made lifting straps) in the rig. I am very comfortable using them as I trust them and know exactly how they behave, and have been to the place they're made and have seen first hand how they are tested.

I have recently got a kinetic rope but haven't used it yet.. I'll not be bringing it, as I am of the opinion they're more for mud/snow (so great to keep in the daily here in the midwest in the winter). I don't like the idea of stretching and momentum in the mountains with technical trails..

I personally don't have enough time using the dyneema type rope but have a roll. One of these days I'll need to spool it up on something and get to know it. Until then, steel it is. There is nothing wrong with steel cable or machine straps.. I wouldn't even say that the new stuff is always safer - but will admit that it is more tolerant of poor decisions by users in many cases.

 

[Mike Shull]

I keep some straps (certified US made lifting straps) in the rig. I am very comfortable using them as I trust them and know exactly how they behave, and have been to the place they're made and have seen first hand how they are tested.

I have recently got a kinetic rope but haven't used it yet.. I'll not be bringing it, as I am of the opinion they're more for mud/snow (so great to keep in the daily here in the midwest in the winter). I don't like the idea of stretching and momentum in the mountains with technical trails..

I personally don't have enough time using the dyneema type rope but have a roll. One of these days I'll need to spool it up on something and get to know it. Until then, steel it is. There is nothing wrong with steel cable or machine straps.. I wouldn't even say that the new stuff is always safer - but will admit that it is more tolerant of poor decisions by users in many cases.

Thanks for sharing that. Normally I would recommend bringing a kinetic rope to Colorado all year around (and an ice scraper) as it can snow in July/August and there are normally drifts that can block the road at high elevations all year around. I doubt that will be an issue this year as we didn’t get very much snow.

What brand of rope did you get?

 

[Kleatus]

Thanks for sharing that. Normally I would recommend bringing a kinetic rope to Colorado all year around (and an ice scraper) as it can snow in July/August and there are normally drifts that can block the road at high elevations all year around. I doubt that will be an issue this year as we didn’t get very much snow.

What brand of rope did you get?

I don't recall. May have been from an IronMan4x4 sale online? It is pretty common to need to pull folks out of mud/snow around here especially in the spring/winter, that's what I got it for. The F150 or Rav4 off in the ditch on the way to work....

For sure I can see the application for snow use on passes with that type of rope but personally haven't been into that kind of snow at SAS. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from bringing specific recovery gear, just that there are specific applications and limitations to each piece of gear and the user should understand and follow them. I just have yet to see a recovery up there where I would have been comfortable with momentum and a kinetic rope. If I was putting together a gear list for someone new to the game, I wouldn't suggest a kinetic rope as their only strap. Too tempting to press it into service where it’s not appropriate. Nobody's going to get stranded in our groups, it's better to remain safely stuck and wait to get the right help/gear than to do something sketchy..

 

[Mike Shull]

I should clarify as it seems as if I may have sent a misleading message. I didn’t intend to suggest that someone new should only pack a kinetic rope.

 

[Broski]

I don't recall. May have been from an IronMan4x4 sale online? It is pretty common to need to pull folks out of mud/snow around here especially in the spring/winter, that's what I got it for. The F150 or Rav4 off in the ditch on the way to work....

For sure I can see the application for snow use on passes with that type of rope but personally haven't been into that kind of snow at SAS. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from bringing specific recovery gear, just that there are specific applications and limitations to each piece of gear and the user should understand and follow them. I just have yet to see a recovery up there where I would have been comfortable with momentum and a kinetic rope. If I was putting together a gear list for someone new to the game, I wouldn't suggest a kinetic rope as their only strap. Too tempting to press it into service where it’s not appropriate. Nobody's going to get stranded in our groups, it's better to remain safely stuck and wait to get the right help/gear than to do something sketchy..

IMO the only time a kinetic rope is not superior is when you need to extend your winch line.
A kinetic rope/strap is much easier on the vehicle being used to extract a stuck vehicle and also easier on the vehicle getting extracted as it has give and doesn’t put as much shock load on either vehicle.
They’re also better if you have to tow a vehicle for a long ways for the same reason reduced shock load.
I carry both in my rig at all times. I also carry a short kinetic rope, they have become more popular as of recent. They can be especially handy if you have to tow someone off the trail. If there are tight turns a long tow rope will start to pull the towed vehicle sideways and in worst cases can flip it over. I have seen this happen.
My short kinetic rope is only 10 feet long and perfect for this use.
I have also moved away from steel shackles and only use soft shackles.
IMO in most cases its better to use the winch for extractions as it’s more controlled.
I also carry a tree saver at all times

 

[Mike Shull]

IMO the only time a kinetic rope is not superior is when you need to extend your winch line.
A kinetic rope/strap is much easier on the vehicle being used to extract a stuck vehicle and also easier on the vehicle getting extracted as it has give and doesn’t put as much shock load on either vehicle.
They’re also better if you have to tow a vehicle for a long ways for the same reason reduced shock load.
I carry both in my rig at all times. I also carry a short kinetic rope, they have become more popular as of recent. They can be especially handy if you have to tow someone off the trail. If there are tight turns a long tow rope will start to pull the towed vehicle sideways and in worst cases can flip it over. I have seen this happen.
My short kinetic rope is only 10 feet long and perfect for this use.
I have also moved away from steel shackles and only use soft shackles.
IMO in most cases it better to use the winch for extractions as it’s more controlled.
I also carry a tree saver at all times

I’ve never use a kinetic rope for towing. Let’s hope that we don’t have to do that but I will try it next time that I do. There is nothing worse than being yanked around on the blacktop by a strap. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Kleatus]

IMO the only time a kinetic rope is not superior is when you need to extend your winch line.
A kinetic rope/strap is much easier on the vehicle being used to extract a stuck vehicle and also easier on the vehicle getting extracted as it has give and doesn’t put as much shock load on either vehicle.
They’re also better if you have to tow a vehicle for a long ways for the same reason reduced shock load.
I carry both in my rig at all times. I also carry a short kinetic rope, they have become more popular as of recent. They can be especially handy if you have to tow someone off the trail. If there are tight turns a long tow rope will start to pull the towed vehicle sideways and in worst cases can flip it over. I have seen this happen.
My short kinetic rope is only 10 feet long and perfect for this use.
I have also moved away from steel shackles and only use soft shackles.
IMO in most cases its better to use the winch for extractions as it’s more controlled.
I also carry a tree saver at all times

Great points. I agree it's better to use the winch whenever you can. I hadn't thought about towing someone. I need to get mine out and try yanking the old dually around with it so I'm better in tune with how it reacts.

 

[shanko]

OK Folks, those of you that are registered have been sent an extra swag order form to your registration E-Mail. You have until Tuesday June 10th to fill it out.
Thanks, Casey..

I am just reading this. And I did not get an email. And it is now past June 10th. Ugh!

 

[DrRock]

Hello All, I’m in the middle of my route planning to Ouray. By day 3 I’m targeting to arrive in the Walsenburg, CO area. Are there any good dispersed camping spots in this area that you recommend? Otherwise, looks like Lathrop state park has camping as well.

 

[Mesa Woman]

I am just reading this. And I did not get an email. And it is now past June 10th. Ugh!

We will have some extras at registration, it will be first come first served.
Wonder if it went to your spam…?

 

[shanko]

We will have some extras at registration, it will be first come first served.
Wonder if it went to your spam…?

It might have. What email address would it have come from (makes it easier to check)? Or what exact date was it sent out?

 

[raisinhell2]

I forgot I had a tent site T-11 reserved after I knew I couldn't make it this year . I just called KOA and cancelled it . So t 11 is now open it anyone needs a site in the thick of things

 

[Broski]

I forgot I had a tent site T-11 reserved after I knew I couldn't make it this year . I just called KOA and cancelled it . So t 11 is now open it anyone needs a site in the thick of things

It just won’t be the same without your shenanigans, Randy

 

[POTATO LAUNCHER]

Happy Fathers Day to all. Enjoy your day......


Here is the link to the Extra Swag order form. It will be open until 2pm CST today for those that have had trouble finding the email.
Casey...

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@shanko

 

[Flatlanderfj40]

Happy Father’s Day. First time topless for the patina green

 

[Flatlanderfj40]

It might have. What email address would it have come from (makes it easier to check)? Or what exact date was it sent out?

5/31 titled ‘EXTRA SWAG FORM’

 

[CruiserTrash]

Hello All, I’m in the middle of my route planning to Ouray. By day 3 I’m targeting to arrive in the Walsenburg, CO area. Are there any good dispersed camping spots in this area that you recommend? Otherwise, looks like Lathrop state park has camping as well.

Medano Pass has dispersed camping on the Wet Mountain Valley side. Camping from the summit to the sand dunes are dedicated “primitive” sites that are reservation only.

There’s also a postage stamp of BLM land that @CenTXFJ60 showed us a few years ago. From Walsenburg go south around Mt. Blanca. When you get to the turn off for the sand dunes go right. Right away there will be a small parking lot with some placard signs, you can camp there.

Are you then going up through Poncha Springs/Monarch Pass/ Gunnison, or the southern router through Wolf Creek Pass, Pagosa Springs/Durango?

 

[matzell]

Looks like Imogene will be closed to Telluride all summer...... Guess, just an up and back...

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