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Those seats really do look amazing. Very nice work! Did you go with vinyl again or did you choose this opportunity to go with leather?

It wasn't vinyl to begin with; the covers were cloth. The ZX trim got a weird tweed-and-not-quite-velour mix of fabrics on the seats, and I just wasn't feeling it...so I went to a durable vinyl. I'm not a leather fan, for the most part; that option was never on the table for me.

At the risk of having mud flung at me, how did you finish the bottom of the headrests? Looks a little bit unfinished? What do they look like with the headrests raised? I am not trying to nitpick in any way just curious.

The factory headrest covers are basically a fitted bag with a Velcro closure; it's a simple and functional solution...but if you're used to a more modern, sleek or contoured headrest, then they'll definitely look unfinished. In fact, they'll look like they came out of a late-model Ford sedan, complete with legit velour and hair/fur of questionable origin.

Pictured: Old and busted.

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...see what I mean? Literally a bag with a Velcro closure on the bottom; you can even see the foam through the cuts for the riser bars. That's one of the headrests from my Prado sets, but they're a pattern-match to the ones that I had remade. As far as that set is concerned:

Pictured: The new hotness.

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Same basic style, just a bit more obvious on the closure because of the stitching. For me, it's a very workable and affordable solution, and it honestly integrates quite well with the utilitarian aspect of the rig; we could have changed it and polished things up a bit...but that would have also detracted a bit, methinks.

I would love to install a set of recarro's or scheelmann's, but at the cost of them, it will have to wait until my kids are all grown up and I manage to save enough up before retirement!

That's one of the reasons that I didn't buy either of those options. They're nice seats, but I'd rather have what I have and put the remaining $3000 towards fuel, supplies and time in points-unknown...and that leads to my prime reason for rebuilding rather than replacing: these seats fit me. Years of hard treatment and poor therapy have taken a toll on me, so I'm very sensitive to how a seat feels; there's no "eh, that's good enough" for me. Seats either work well, or they don't work at all...and these work very well for me. I know that's uncommon - most people will tell you that factory Toyota seats from the 90's are made out of lumpy foam and regret wrapped around barbed wire - but for whatever reason, these fit me. I was genuinely scared of long days in the saddle before we took the drive from the Atlantic to the Pacific, but after an eighteen-hour day behind the wheel I was still feeling okay; no back pain, no shoulder soreness, no leg cramping. I can't even begin to tell you how surprised I was, but I'm not questioning it...and I'm definitely not giving up something which supports me that well.

So I am now looking at making these ones last longer, or something I used to do with my 40 series is go to the wreckers and grab seats out of a supra or celica GT and install those with some added steel to make the mounts work.

We used to do Celica seats in TJs; they're a good option, for sure. The aggressive bolsters on those models is great at holding you in place when things get slightly turbulent. They also hold up well, long-term: a lot of factory seats get a bad rep, but in my opinion most factory options are very well-made.

Very impressive work, keep up the great posts!! :cheers:

I wish I could claim it as my own, but I like giving credit where it's due. I'll do my best to keep things interesting; hopefully, the upcoming wiring tasks will be of both use and entertainment to everyone. I mean, you're gonna get to see me take apart a pair of RX300 switches and put them back together, all while trying to look like I know what I'm doing...so even if it's a disaster, it'll still be entertaining. 🤣
 
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Sunday Afternoon Update: the seats aren't anywhere close to being installed, but we're making progress. I'm going to order some connectors tomorrow so I can clip the stuff that was supplied with the seat heater harnesses; that'll be cleaner and easier than any other solution...and after I get those identified and in the post, I'll be testing and de-pinning the Toyota heater switches, and looking around to see if I have any 24-volt bulbs for them; the stock 12-volt units probably won't be happy with somewhere around 149,760,000,000,000,000,000 electrons all fighting for space in the filaments. I did, however, get my seat bushings sorted.

Pictured: UHMW + bronze = Billy Dee Williams levels of smoothness.

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Also, the astute reader will notice the fresh coat of paint on the seat frame; this side was a bit worse for wear, so it got cleaned/prepped/repainted before the bushing was installed...and the very astute reader will agree that such a process would have been much easier if I had thought to do it before the new covers were installed.

So, that's that; the seats are basically ready to go in, aside from the e-clips that I used being not-the-best for the job; I have some factory ones showing up in my next box of small parts, in about three weeks...so I can work on that, then. It won't prevent me from making actual progress on things, and I seem to have quite a lot to do. That means I really need some parking space, somehow.

Also, random question: does anyone in the crowd have any experience with the baby Webasto heater? I've considered getting one, but the 3,100BTU low level output might be too big for the pico-sized space inside a 73-series. It's just a distant thought, for now, but I'm trying to do some homework ahead of the deadline, for once.
 
Air heater or coolant heater? If you are smarter than me there is a way to have the cabin fan come on when the coolant heater is turned on, then you can heat the engine and the cabin at the same time, just probably wouldn’t run both for more than a couple hrs🤣 Is your rig 12V or 24V? If 24V then you probably can run both a bit longer.
 
Air heater or coolant heater?

Air heater; sorry for not clarifying that. I'm looking at ways to increase the coziness inside the rig on long, dark, chilly nights. I have a sleeping bag that'll work, but I always feel more content when there's warm air in my immediate environment, and not just in my next-to-skin layers.

If you are smarter than me-

I'm not. Mostly I just stumble along and try to follow instructions, and I still manage to muck up the works.

-there is a way to have the cabin fan come on when the coolant heater is turned on, then you can heat the engine and the cabin at the same time, just probably wouldn’t run both for more than a couple hrs.

Not a bad idea; two for the price of one. That's...hmmmm; that's an interesting notion. It would only take a single alternate switch leg - I think - but getting that wired in to the blower controls and then getting that heat to move aft in the cabin might be fun. 🤔

Is your rig 12V or 24V? If 24V then you probably can run both a bit longer.

The main bus is 24 volts, but I also have 12 volts available in the rear after the long saga of my trailer-light harness install, the first post of which I need to finish editing, now that I think of it. I would rather not pull 12 volts for much of anything, but since almost every accessory on the market is tenfold-more-available in the lower-voltage configuration, I'm up for ideas. I like the little Webasto air heater because it's extremely small and it'll run on 24 volts...but even something putting out 1,000BTU - a third of the Webasto low setting - may be too much for the tiny cabin space.
 
Air heater; sorry for not clarifying that. I'm looking at ways to increase the coziness inside the rig on long, dark, chilly nights. I have a sleeping bag that'll work, but I always feel more content when there's warm air in my immediate environment, and not just in my next-to-skin layers.



I'm not. Mostly I just stumble along and try to follow instructions, and I still manage to muck up the works.



Not a bad idea; two for the price of one. That's...hmmmm; that's an interesting notion. It would only take a single alternate switch leg - I think - but getting that wired in to the blower controls and then getting that heat to move aft in the cabin might be fun. 🤔



The main bus is 24 volts, but I also have 12 volts available in the rear after the long saga of my trailer-light harness install, the first post of which I need to finish editing, now that I think of it. I would rather not pull 12 volts for much of anything, but since almost every accessory on the market is tenfold-more-available in the lower-voltage configuration, I'm up for ideas. I like the little Webasto air heater because it's extremely small and it'll run on 24 volts...but even something putting out 1,000BTU - a third of the Webasto low setting - may be too much for the tiny cabin space.
Espar is also another option, and available in 24V
 
Espar is also another option, and available in 24V

I looked at them as well; seems pretty similar, overall. I haven't yet found a smaller option either in terms of physical size or heat output, but since this search is in its infancy, there's no telling what I'll trip across.

Also, I have a quandary...one with which the wiring gurus in the crowd may be able to help. Here are my observations:
  • I poked around under the center console and found something interesting; I have two connectors with functional pins - at least, as far as voltage is concerned - out of the five connectors that are present. One of them is a two-pin in which each pin goes to ground; the second connector is a four-pin, two pins of which have 28.2V and the other two of which have nothing, as best I can tell.
  • The switch in the aftermarket seat heater kit only has four wires; I don't have a wiring diagram for the harness, but I'm guessing that they're for High, Low, Ground and the illumination LED. I can probably figure it out by looking at the relay and seeing what pins are switching which wires, there.
  • The actual power feed to the aftermarket seat heater kit only has two wires; which are a hot lead (with a small inline fuse) and a ground.
  • The factory Toyota/Lexus switches that I would like to use are six-pin connectors, as already deciphered here, thankfully.

As best I can tell: two input wires and four switch wires roughly equals the six total wires that I have on the factory Toyota switch. My quandary is this: how, exactly, do I convert from the aftermarket harness/switch to the factory six-pin Toyota seat-heater switch? I think I can do the following, but it would really help if someone would check my logic before I catch things on fire.
  • De-pin the existing below-console connections to create a single connector with two hot leads and two grounds. (Note: this is the part that concerns me because I have ZERO idea of what those connections are supposed to do, from the factory; all I know is that they're unused at current.)
  • Build a Y-shaped harness that feeds the 24V+/- circuits from the new connector created in Step 1 to both the right and left heater switches.
  • Pending that deciphering the relay in the aftermarket harness tells me good things, I can then de-pin the aftermarket switches and just run those wires to the similar pins in the Toyota switches.
That seems pretty easy, but the part about the illumination is tripping me up. 24V+ from keyed ignition is pretty simple, and the ground is pretty simple; likewise, the Low and High outputs are pretty simple...but the bulb ground and bulb hot aren't making sense. Are those are coming from the relay, in that it's activating a second circuit when either High or Low is engaged? I really need to go look at that thing and see if I can figure it all out; relays frighten me, after having killed about $100 of them learning how diodes work, mostly by trial and error. 😑
 
Several Hours Later...

I've been pulling the looming from the harness to trace the circuits and figure out what does what, and the result is...well, it's confusing.

Pictured: Beware the blue wire.

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I pulled the electrical tape at the main junction of wires near the relay; there are a couple of jumpers present, which did not go to anywhere near where I thought they would go...and I'm having to visually trace the wires because several of them are the exact same color and definitely not on the same portion of any circuit. But the main source of consternation was the blue wire, which was present on the switch side of things, but not present anywhere else. Conclusion: someone switched wire colors somewhere inside the loom.

Pictured: Now, how did you know about that blue wire, KitKat?

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That's the chassis ground leg/branch/nexus, I've discovered; I've no idea why it's black on one side and blue at the switch...and why an entirely different black wire isn't the ground, but rather the Low Heat side of the switch. But that's not the worst of it...

Pictured: The worst of it.

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Why in the actual f*** is that red/black color change present??? The only thing that connector serves is to connect the actual switch into the aftermarket harness...so the wires could be any color at all, and as long as they go to the correct pins, it wouldn't matter. The red/black reversal is just...just... it's ponderous, is what it is. I was genuinely puzzled about why I couldn't find continuity from one end of the red wire to the other, from the keyed ignition source all the way to here; turns out that the red wire didn't actually go that far...🙄

I've also mostly decoded how to re-pin/rewire things on the Toyota switch side; Keyed hot, ground, high and low are all common to both switched, so they'll just transfer from one switch to the other. No biggie. I don't know what the remaining two wires do, however; one is the hot lead to the bulb, and the other is bulb ground...but I have continuity between those two pins no matter what position the switch is in, and even when it's off. So...ideas, anyone?

Edit: Okay, the continuity on the bulb circuit is semi-deciphered: that's for the backlight in the switch, so if I'm not mistaken it needs a power lead from the switch illumination circuitry in order to function properly. Now, what are the chances that I have an extra pin on that circuit just laying around under the console, doing nothing with itself?

Second Edit: Chances of an unused switch illumination circuit under the center console are exactly 100%. Believe it or not, there's not only a pair of keyed ignition hot leads, but ample grounds and a dedicated two-pin switch circuit that's powered by the illumination circuit. That should be everything I need to power both heaters and make the stock switches function correctly.
 
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Today's Cruising...
  • I ordered an inexpensive bench power supply to help with sorting the seat heater harnesses, because I'm a bit confused and I'd like to remedy that condition. Specifically: I can't figure out what the relays in the aftermarket harnesses are actually doing because there's no separate power feed going to them...so, how are they carrying the current load? From what I can tell, each switch is carrying the 5-ish amps that the heaters draw at full capacity, and power seems to run directly to the switch and then into the relay...so no matter what's happening in the relay the switch is still doing a lot of work. And if I already have a switch that's set up to run high/low (I'm guessing by running either one or two circuits) then what the hell is the relay for...? 🤔
  • The rack legs aren't gonna work; they're not even close to working. I'm going to have to return them (that's not going to be cheap) and then reorder the taller set, and then probably still run a spacer. I propped one of them in the rear rain gutter and the upper portion where the rack connects is lying directly on top of the FRP...and the top itself actually domes upward almost an inch from there, to its highest point. So, I'm at least 25mm short on the leg height; another 10mm for the spacers might be enough, but I'll likely need even more... so that'll be a fun sorting-out.
  • I think I have something of a solution for my sleeping space, but it's so silly that I'm not sure I want to even try it: just remove the passenger seat when I'm going to be sleeping in the rig. Either that, or I can do my fold-flat mod on the hinges, and create a folding platform that'll give me sleeping space over the seat. I've been thinking on that latter option for a few months and haven't come up with an elegant solution, though, so I'm not sure what direction to go with it...but the process continues.
 
Sorry about the leg extensions :(

Not your fault; I could have checked on that and verified it at any point via email, chat, whatevs, and I just didn't think to do so. That return shipping and restock charge is squarely on me...and I much appreciate all of your assistance and information, so thank you for that.

In regards to sleeping in the cruiser….. hang a hammock inside by the roll cage???

I have a roll cage? Sweet! I never knew!!

😉

For seriously, though: I totally don't have one...but even if I did, I wouldn't be able to comfortably opt for a hammock. I'm never comfortable in them - and that's my broken spine's fault, so I'm not blaming the hammock, there - and they take up an enormous amount of space to hang properly. Definitely the lightest and most compact option, though, by far.
 
Pictured: Testing, testing...one, two... three amps?

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That's way less current than I was expecting, on the High setting. Things just got easier.

It's extremely nice to be able to power circuits safely and easily; I've never had a bench power supply, and this is definitely the best $50 I've spent, lately. There's been a bit of confusion over the inner workings of the seat heaters - evidently, a thermostat is present despite no wiring being in place for such a thing - but the end result is that they're working correctly after being installed, and the switch works basically the same way as the Toyota switch that I'll be using. I also think that I have the relays figured out, and I'll make a longer post about all of this tomorrow. For now, let's just go with "all of this is good news" and move on.

The bad news is that I'm going to have to replace one of my seat tracks; I thought it was just a bit worn and loose, but it's actually missing one of the interior bushings that hold everything in place...so the slider is moving in directions that it shouldn't. That being said...

Let's just say - hypothetically, of course - that I wanted the seat to slide a tiny, wee, insignificant bit further forward than it does at current. Like... maybe another four inches. Would that be even remotely possible, should the things that look like stop-pins in the seat tracks somehow find themselves removed? I can't figure out what those little things would be, if not internal slide stops.

Pictured: Shown at image center.

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I'm reasonably familiar with most slide workings from some job skillz in a former life...but this one: not so much. I can't really see into the top of it or pull it apart - thankfully - so that causes me to think that it's assembled by being slid together, and then it's held in place by a stop pin. So...would this be the stop pin?

To be honest, I don't see that there's even another 20mm of travel to be gained by removing that pin...but I'm playing a game of fractions with creating sleeping space in the rear, and every bit helps.
 
Pictured: Testing, testing...one, two... three amps?

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That's way less current than I was expecting, on the High setting. Things just got easier.

It's extremely nice to be able to power circuits safely and easily; I've never had a bench power supply, and this is definitely the best $50 I've spent, lately. There's been a bit of confusion over the inner workings of the seat heaters - evidently, a thermostat is present despite no wiring being in place for such a thing - but the end result is that they're working correctly after being installed, and the switch works basically the same way as the Toyota switch that I'll be using. I also think that I have the relays figured out, and I'll make a longer post about all of this tomorrow. For now, let's just go with "all of this is good news" and move on.

The bad news is that I'm going to have to replace one of my seat tracks; I thought it was just a bit worn and loose, but it's actually missing one of the interior bushings that hold everything in place...so the slider is moving in directions that it shouldn't. That being said...

Let's just say - hypothetically, of course - that I wanted the seat to slide a tiny, wee, insignificant bit further forward than it does at current. Like... maybe another four inches. Would that be even remotely possible, should the things that look like stop-pins in the seat tracks somehow find themselves removed? I can't figure out what those little things would be, if not internal slide stops.

Pictured: Shown at image center.

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I'm reasonably familiar with most slide workings from some job skillz in a former life...but this one: not so much. I can't really see into the top of it or pull it apart - thankfully - so that causes me to think that it's assembled by being slid together, and then it's held in place by a stop pin. So...would this be the stop pin?

To be honest, I don't see that there's even another 20mm of travel to be gained by removing that pin...but I'm playing a game of fractions with creating sleeping space in the rear, and every bit helps.
A couple of us on here (@FJBen and myself, off the top of my head) are of above-average height and have bolted a piece of flat stock between the slider frame and the seat to gain an extra couple of inches for our longer legs. It makes a pretty big difference, especially with longer trips.

I am wondering if you could do something similar to save potentially ruining the sliders you have now? The only thing is then it would be permanently moved forward however many inches you move it. But if you only need a little bit more, it may be an option? I am sure with you will think of something... 😉

I enjoy your thinking out loud, I just do not know how you find the time to write all this out... I rarely have the time to read it all, let alone think about typing all that!! Kudos to you for your contributions to the community. :cheers:
 
A couple of us on here (@FJBen and myself, off the top of my head) are of above-average height and have bolted a piece of flat stock between the slider frame and the seat to gain an extra couple of inches for our longer legs. It makes a pretty big difference, especially with longer trips.

An offset plate; then. I used to run 1" riser brackets in my TJ because the seats were so low that it felt like you were in a 917 cockpit; this is the same idea, just in a different axis... 🤔

I am wondering if you could do something similar to save potentially ruining the sliders you have now?

Well, here's the thing: one of those sliders is the one that needs replacing, anyway. If need be, I could experiment with it. But you make a good point, nonetheless; if there's another way to experiment, I should consider it.

The only thing is then it would be permanently moved forward however many inches you move it.

...unless it was adjustable.

But if you only need a little bit more, it may be an option? I am sure with you will think of something... 😉

It may be a very good option, yes. It's definitely a variant method to the one that I was considering, and it's sparking more than a few ideas on what I might be able to do. It's really just a question of slide travel and slide positioning, and I have more than one way to crack that nut.

I enjoy your thinking out loud, I just do not know how you find the time to write all this out... I rarely have the time to read it all, let alone think about typing all that!! Kudos to you for your contributions to the community. :cheers:

I'm just stumbling through things, to be perfectly honest...but I think it's important to convey the thought process that drives endeavors of this nature. Simply posting "here's what I did" can be helpful, but posting "here are my nineteen bad ideas and the one that finally worked, which someone else came up with" is much more informative...and that's really kind of the point, for me.

It does take a lot of time to write all of this out (and I have some additional posts to make today, if I can scrounge an hour or so) but I think it's important; there are several threads on here that I read regularly because there's often a healthy degree of information and inspiration contained within them...so it's only fair that I try to give the same in return. Regardless, thank you for reading; it means a lot to me.

Now... about that offset plate... 🤔
 
@Rigster - you, sir, are a genius. Not only did your offset-adapter suggestion spark a moment of potential solution, but it gave me the opportunity to use the most idiotic meme of all time in the most literal and sincere way that I can imagine:

Pictured: Flawless victory.

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Thank you, Mr. Zibit, for existing; you are a god among insects.

To explain: Corbeau, Recaro, Sparco and likely-countless other manufacturers that all have combinations of A, R, C and O in their names all make universal seat sliders; surely there's one out there that isn't too tall and which can be adapted to the Toyota seat frame... pending that there's not already one with that exact bolt pattern for a different Toyota seat. If I can find one that's around 20mm or so in height it won't be terribly noticeable; flip it backwards so that the adjustment lever/bail is to the rear, and sammich it between the seat frame and the existing adjuster...and that's game over, chaps.

Time to fu my Googles...
 
@Rigster - you, sir, are a genius. Not only did your offset-adapter suggestion spark a moment of potential solution, but it gave me the opportunity to use the most idiotic meme of all time in the most literal and sincere way that I can imagine:

Pictured: Flawless victory.

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Thank you, Mr. Zibit, for existing; you are a god among insects.

To explain: Corbeau, Recaro, Sparco and likely-countless other manufacturers that all have combinations of A, R, C and O in their names all make universal seat sliders; surely there's one out there that isn't too tall and which can be adapted to the Toyota seat frame... pending that there's not already one with that exact bolt pattern for a different Toyota seat. If I can find one that's around 20mm or so in height it won't be terribly noticeable; flip it backwards so that the adjustment lever/bail is to the rear, and sammich it between the seat frame and the existing adjuster...and that's game over, chaps.

Time to fu my Googles...
Haha, well there is something to be said for "flying by the seat of your pants" on some things... ;)

Thank you for your kind words, but I am not one to take credit where credit is due. While I have done many interesting mount mods to ram some Toyota sportscar seats into my land cruisers in the past, this idea came from @FJBen and his build thread, so the genius is all his! :cheers:
 
Haha, well there is something to be said for "flying by the seat of your pants" on some things...

Dude, you gotta dad-joke-warn me next time. 🤣

Thank you for your kind words, but I am not one to take credit where credit is due. While I have done many interesting mount mods to ram some Toyota sportscar seats into my land cruisers in the past, this idea came from @FJBen and his build thread, so the genius is all his!

I need to catch up on that one as well; that being said, let's assign dual credit.

Also...

Corbeau for the win; part number 22001DBL has a 13" by 11.875" mounting, which is close enough to the 13" by 12.25" factory bolt pattern to work; I'm pretty sure that's 330 by 310 metric inches, by the way. Height is supposedly 1", so I'm 5.4 communism-units off my target; I'll happily trade those for ease of finishing this off.
 
So many updates on things, today...so I'll try (and fail) to keep it short and sweet.

I have my changes to the seat heater harness mostly diagrammed and sorted; the main issue turned out to not be the different switches, but the different power inputs. The aftermarket harness is pulling both power and ground from a single source and then splitting those paths as needed...but that's not actually needed: it's just being done in order to create a two-connection installation. This is exceptionally simple, but - of course - exceptional simplicity is completely wrong and we simply cannot have it...so we're going to slice everything apart and do it correctly, which is a word that here means "in as complex and unnecessary a fashion as we can divine at present, because we do not like ourselves."

Pictured: "The self-loathing...it's over 9000!" *crunch*

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I never seem to get organized. Le sigh. But for realsies, the harness kind of needs to be re-done in order to make this all work cleanly:
  • Power is coming from a four-pin connector under the center console, the bulb circuit is a two-pin connector adjacent, and the relays for the heaters are going to mount about three inches away from both of those connections; this arrangement requires approximately 117" fewer inches of wire than is currently in the aftermarket harness.
  • Roughly sixteen inches of wire are needed between the relay and the seat-side heater-pad connections, and those connections are themselves somewhat awkward due to the pigtail lengths of the stock wiring; the connectors basically want to occupy the same space as the hinge cover, which is almost entirely sub-optimal...so I need to do a bit of cutting and repinning there, as well. Those alterations will cut another foot or two of wiring out of the mix.
  • The switch circuit needs almost five feet of wire despite being only 30" away from the relay mounting point; it has to tuck up and behind a bunch of stuff in the lower part of the dash, and that tuckage sucks up a lot of length...but the chassis ground doesn't need to be part of that equation. In fact, the spiderweb of grounding wires within the harness doesn't need to exist at all; each of those grounds can be pulled discretely from the chassis itself, should I prefer it.
  • Lastly, the wire colors in the harness really don't make sense. Between the two pads, the relay and the switch there are about six different paths that need to be addressed, and the factory harness uses five different wire colors...but those wire colors are almost used at random. Example: the ground circuit is variously composed of black, blue, yellow, and black/yellow wires. The low-power out is a black wire, and the high-power out is a yellow wire at one point and a red wire at another. Keyed ignition is black...I think. It's so hard to follow that I literally drew a color-coded diagram on my dry-erase board, and even that is confusing.
The end result of all of this is the masochism depicted above, so I'm just going to rebuild the harness as needed. This being said: I can't change some of the wiring and there's no reason to change some of the rest, but the problem areas will be neater if I re-color them as best possible while I'm cutting and splicing. I'll get into all of that in a future post; for now, the wire and connectors are ordered, so all I have to do is wait for them to get here and then I can get moving on it, and in the meantime I can get my relays mounted and start working on other things. Speaking of...

I went ahead and ordered the Corbeau slider aforementioned; I don't really want to raise the passenger seat by an inch, but the height change is still worth an easy and removable experimental solution to my seat-sliding quandary. Also, I have roughly determined - a phrase which here means "guessed-at with basically no factual data to back it up" - that the suspected stop pin in the factory slider is not, in fact, what stops the internal track sliders from over-traveling. In reality, it's these two depressions that handle said task.

Pictured: Which means the pin is useless, now that I think of it... 🤔

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At least, I think they're slide-stops; I'm honestly not sure. They're the right shape and in the right place...but: they're also not what actually delimits the seat travel...and if I was actually 1) smart, or B) observant, I would have figured that out before now. The actual limitation is on the other side of the seat at the locking track; not only does that portion have to positively engage with the locking catchment in order to secure the seat in any given position - thereby introducing a limitation on travel in and of itself - but that side of the slider mechanism has somewhere around 30mm less travel than the non-locking side, because reasons.

Pictured: Well, doesn't that just complicates the f*** out of things?

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Both of those slides are at their maximum travel extents in one direction. Likewise, they're indexed to each other in terms of mounting positions; the holes are lined up, as is visible on the right side of the image...and in the middle of the image, we see the difference in travel limits. What's interesting to me, though, is that the locking side has two detent positions that remain unused; my only conclusion is that the pressed-in detent stop in the top of the slide - again, that's a theory - is preventing those last two positions from being engaged, because more reasons. However: either move or remove the detent, and more travel is possible; theoretically, one could create the same amount that's present on the non-locking side...which is almost entirely unhelpful to me because I don't need the extra 30 European inches of rearward travel that this mod would offer. I need that travel in the forward direction...and I need it on the other seat, as well; it's good info to have for others, though...so if you're still reading at this point, we've learned something together.

Other bits of news today:
  • Front Runner is shipping me a set of 195mm legs; the not-195mm legs that I have now are unworkably short, even with spacers installed. The ones I have are already packed and ready to be returned; they also did me a solid and gave me a return shipping discount, so it's only going to cost me about $10 to get the wrong-sized parts back to them.
  • Winches went on sale everywhere. I'm resisting the temptation to pull the trigger on a Sherpa while they're 10% off, but only barely. Failure may be imminent.
  • We might make one small mod to the seat covers; there's an area on the underside where the factory cover is somewhat unsupported, and I've only just now discovered it...so we might install a rivet/snap in a hidden spot to keep things taut in the long run. It's a small matter, though; I may not even have to pull the seats back out to make the change.
  • Parts are inbound from the Home Islands. I went ahead and got a few extra bits - dome light lens, indicator lenses, etc - along with the replacement for the compromised seat slider, and tried to save on shipping per some excellent advice on that subject by @Guyute and others...advice which also has the pesky side effect of lowering my bank account when it least needs to be lowered.
  • I really need some fog lights. Even right after sunrise at 8:15 in the morning it's still murky beyond belief around town; I can't even begin to describe how bad it is in the dark...but I've seen way too many movies featuring overly-dense fog to not take the situation seriously. This is how people get trapped in the dream-world.
Pictured: "...Cooooooraaaaline..........."

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I guess I need to be shopping for lighting and figuring out that circuit instead of continually drifting back over to Sherpa's website, but pragmatism has never been my strong suit; if it was, I'd be happily motoring along in a used Tacoma and be none the wiser.

That's all for now; stay tuned.
 
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So this is funny... which is a phrase that here means "this isn't funny at all."

The Corbeau sliders showed up; epic-fast free shipping from Summit, which was pretty cool. I still had the driver's-side seat on the workbench, so I test-bolted one to that frame to check the fit; worked perfectly. Didn't even have to shim it around or ream a mounting hole...so I went out to pull the passenger seat and stuff these between the seat frame and the factory slider, and was unpleasantly surprised to see that they didn't fit at all.

Ten seconds of angry inspection later, I knew why: the passenger seat slider mounts are almost 30mm further apart than the ones on the driver's side...and because of the way the frame is made, there's no way to alter that mounting point. It's all hydroformed steel with minimal flat surfaces, and a welded-in nut on the back side (interior) surface of the frame. Thus not only are the frames different, side-to-side in the vehicle, but everything that comprises each slider frame is also different...so there's zero parts interchange. I also can't figure out why this is the case; there is basically no reason for the mounting points to be any different...but they are.

So: I'm in a quandary yet again, by failing to do the proper research... because I'm about 99% sure that I can't return these sliders. Thus, I am left with $85 of scrap steel unless I can find a way to use them...so it's looking like a welding project. That's no big deal in and of itself, but I don't have an easy way to replicate the contour of the metal that forms the upper part of the slider mechanism...and of course I'm the kind of person that gets annoyed with that kind of thing. I'll post pictures here in a bit, after I have a cold beer and tell myself that I'm not as bad at this as I seem to be. 🤬
 
Pictured: "It don't come easy; you know it don't come easy..."

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This is the end of one of the Corbeau sliders, which shows the cross-section of the outer portion that needs extending...and it's admittedly about ten times stronger than a piece of C-channel with a retainer flange bent into it, but right now I'd really prefer the simpler profile. So, ideas:
  • Find a second set of these and literally slice them apart for the extra three inches of metal that I need to make these work correctly and look nice, and then weld that in place.
  • Find some scrap steel and bend up an extension bracket that slips over the sides and flushes with the top mounting surface, and do the same welding thing, albeit with some rosettes involved.
  • Make a solid steel extension bar that slips inside the channel, and which bolts into place; two threaded holes and one unthreaded should do the trick.
And that's really all I have, at current. The pedantic part of me wants to cut and splice and weld and do this the hard way; the pragmatic part is already looking through the pile of bar stock.

Thoughts?
 
I'm definitely not qualified to answer your question. This is my heated seat solution >

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But! Based on your attention to detail in this thread I'll bet you go with the first option. I'm definitely qualified to place bets.

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