My heavy duty hydraulic winch (1 Viewer)

[lugueto]

Very impressive indeed.

Clarify something for me though, what are the advantages of this setup against a regular electric winch? Is it worth the beastly weight?? I mean, you have what, about 200kg of weight just for winching purposes? Seems incredibly overkill lol, you even have a 1cm steel plate cradle!! that is some serious weight, not to mention the tank plus 80l of oil. Dont get me wrong, im not against it, but im wondering how does this compare to the regular setup (winch + 2nd battery) which is probably 120kg-130kg lighter than this!

You have 2/3 of the weight needed to armor a regular 80 (yes, make the WHOLE truck bulletproof) on just winching lol!

cheers! looking forward to seeing the setup in action

 

[UWdave]

Interesting setup, cool hardware, and great installation/craftsmanship. I love hydraulic winches.

But I feel I must say it... this setup is completely overkill. I've seen commercial tow trucks with less elaborate setups.

Weight is the enemy of any 4x4. It makes everything harder.

How much does this system weight?
Fluid - 22gal * 8lbs/gal = 176lb
Tank - 20lbs?
PTO - 20lbs?
Pump DL - 10lbs?
Pump - 10lbs?
Valves - 10lbs?
Manifold - 10lbs?
Huge rear mount plate - 25lbs?
Crazy huge 1/2" cable - ?
Rear winch - ?
Front winch - ?

We are likely talking a +500lb system and what can it do that a simple PS setup like Landtanks can't?

I also always question the need for a rear winch, but I really question the need for a 12klb rear winch.

 

[fhultgr]

Interesting setup, cool hardware, and great installation/craftsmanship. I love hydraulic winches.

But I feel I must say it... this setup is completely overkill. I've seen commercial tow trucks with less elaborate setups.

Weight is the enemy of any 4x4. It makes everything harder.

We are likely talking a +500lb system and what can it do that a simple PS setup like Landtanks can't?

I also always question the need for a rear winch, but I really question the need for a 12klb rear winch.

This setup is ridiculous overkill, but why not?
It is probably closer to 600Ib (300 kg)
This car is used as a boy scout car, be ready for anything
The advantage over an electric winch is clearly the duty cycle. I can use it all day long
If i want to haul logs, I can use the car instead of a tractor
This system can be used without me getting a coronary infarction vs Landtanks setup, have been there
I could probably used a Red Winches and 20-30 liter tank, and lighter valves, and still get the same performance
But the price would be higher.
This setup is used on commercial rescue cars and proven reliable, and the price is ok

The main thing is not why? the question is why not?
It is a fun project to plan and build, this is my hobby and I like to treat myself with good parts
And in the end, someone has to set the standard and be the biggest boy in the street

 

[landtank]

I don't think it's fair to blame your health issues on my hydraulic winch setup!

 

[fhultgr]

I don't think it's fair to blame your health issues on my hydraulic winch setup!

Sorry about that one :whoops:
My experience with power steering driven winches is not all good
In my experience they are slow and weak.
Yours is maybe good

 

[landtank]

Sorry about that one :whoops:
My experience with power steering driven winches is not all good
In my experience they are slow and weak.
Yours is maybe good

I've had a great experience with my setup. I've yet to stall the winch and have been really stuck at times.

I was pulling some shrubs out of my front yard one day. At one point my truck was positioned on the drive way (asphalt), front wheels were choked and my son was in the drivers seat holding the brakes on. The winch drag the truck up over the chocks. Which meant I had to do some more digging around the roots .

Between the winch and 35" tires I do go through power steering fluid as I need more volume and better cooling to deal with that. Right now I flush the system once a year.

On the speed side, it is slow but I prefer that. Where I live there is an abundance of trees so a nice slow pull is more controlled and you are less apt to damage the truck against a tree.

You did a hell of a job engineering that setup and I'm sure it works great.

 

[UWdave]

This setup is ridiculous overkill, but why not?
It is probably closer to 600Ib (300 kg)
This car is used as a boy scout car, be ready for anything
The advantage over an electric winch is clearly the duty cycle. I can use it all day long
If i want to haul logs, I can use the car instead of a tractor
This system can be used without me getting a coronary infarction vs Landtanks setup, have been there
I could probably used a Red Winches and 20-30 liter tank, and lighter valves, and still get the same performance
But the price would be higher.
This setup is used on commercial rescue cars and proven reliable, and the price is ok

The main thing is not why? the question is why not?
It is a fun project to plan and build, this is my hobby and I like to treat myself with good parts
And in the end, someone has to set the standard and be the biggest boy in the street

Why not: WEIGHT

Street: 10% heavier rig mean slower acceleration, lower MPG, longer stopping distances, etc etc

Trail: Sink deeper, slide farther, more traction required to get up/over obstacles, etc, etc.

When choosing a mod, it is important to look at the WHY vs the WHY NOT. The pros vs the cons. It is pointless to only look at only one side of the equation.

FYI: I never compared your setup to an electric winch (that is a different topic). I compared yours to LandTanks (MM winch, cooler, and PS pump). For a trail-only or mixed use rig, for the purpose of vehicle recovery in an offroad environment, I'd chose his setup over yours any day of the week.

As for pulling logs... to each their own. To me this is no justification for 600lbs of permanently mounted equipment on an FJ.

 

[fhultgr]

Why not: WEIGHT

Street: 10% heavier rig mean slower acceleration, lower MPG, longer stopping distances, etc etc

Trail: Sink deeper, slide farther, more traction required to get up/over obstacles, etc, etc.

When choosing a mod, it is important to look at the WHY vs the WHY NOT. The pros vs the cons. It is pointless to only look at only one side of the equation.

FYI: I never compared your setup to an electric winch (that is a different topic). I compared yours to LandTanks (MM winch, cooler, and PS pump). For a trail-only or mixed use rig, for the purpose of vehicle recovery in an offroad environment, I'd chose his setup over yours any day of the week.

As for pulling logs... to each their own. To me this is no justification for 600lbs of permanently mounted equipment on an FJ.

If I wanted a light car 4x4 I would have bought a Suzuki
More turbo boost, intercooler and adjusting pump gives more power
You can not compare my and Landtanks setup more than a electric system.
Landtank is putting about 2hp into the winch.
I put in a little below 3hp on tick, and 22hp on 2300rpm.
When that is said, I nearly ewer use it over 1000rpm

 

[Nikpayten]

I think there could be some useful additions to this setup... An accumulator, a large ram and a tube to make a "hydraulic cannon"

WHY? ... because with a grappling hook and a f**kload of cable fhultgr could have the first landcruiser that can winch himself backwards up a cliff!

alternatively he could winch himself up a tree ready to ambush the next nissan that goes by

 

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Awesome setup

Do you have any photos of how you mounted the winch plate to the chassis?

I'm debating whether to mount my Husky 10 or EP9.0 on the rear of my rig

 

[fhultgr]

Awesome setup

Do you have any photos of how you mounted the winch plate to the chassis?

I'm debating whether to mount my Husky 10 or EP9.0 on the rear of my rig

Thank you
The Husky is a very good one
No pics yet of the mounting to chassis
I used 6 x 10mm bolts with 12,9 quality

 

[98 SNAKE EATER]

I used 6 x 10mm bolts with 12,9 quality

Did you drill through both walls of the chassis rails and run the bolts all the way through or just the first wall?

I was actually thinking of just welding my plate in place

 

[UWdave]

If I wanted a light car 4x4 I would have bought a Suzuki
More turbo boost, intercooler and adjusting pump gives more power
You can not compare my and Landtanks setup more than a electric system.
Landtank is putting about 2hp into the winch.
I put in a little below 3hp on tick, and 22hp on 2300rpm.
When that is said, I nearly ewer use it over 1000rpm

You typed a lot but didn't make any point.

Summary:

I said overkill,
-- you say why not
I explain because of the negative effects of weight of road and trail performance,
--- you mention something about a Suzuki and tuning for more power.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Sure you could strain your motor/trans/axle to gain back the acceleration, but how do you gain back the other negatives (mpg, braking, traction). Yes your rig can be used to winch a semi truck up hill from both front and rear, but your rig is now less capable in every other way.


I say overkill,
-- you say you can pull harder, faster, longer
I explain that much less heavy systems are more than adequate for the purpose of vehicle recovery
-- you continue to talk about how much stronger your setup is
I have never said your setup was weak. I said your setup was overkill. I have a Little Warn 9.5xp and i've been able to pull myself out of every problem without even using my snatch block. Rockwell axles are strong and cool, but putting them on a rig with 200hp and 37" tires is still overkill. (like your winch, the weight will do more harm than good)

None of this was meant as an insult. I believe a person can do whatever makes them happy as long as they don't hurt anybody else. I'm glad you are happy with your setup. When you post up on a forum for opinion, don't take it personal when not everybody likes it.

So I will now shut up. I've made my point.

 

[fhultgr]

You typed a lot but didn't make any point.

Summary:

I said overkill,
-- you say why not
I explain because of the negative effects of weight of road and trail performance,
--- you mention something about a Suzuki and tuning for more power.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Sure you could strain your motor/trans/axle to gain back the acceleration, but how do you gain back the other negatives (mpg, braking, traction). Yes your rig can be used to winch a semi truck up hill from both front and rear, but your rig is now less capable in every other way.

I say overkill,
-- you say you can pull harder, faster, longer
I explain that much less heavy systems are more than adequate for the purpose of vehicle recovery
-- you continue to talk about how much stronger your setup is
I have never said your setup was weak. I said your setup was overkill. I have a Little Warn 9.5xp and i've been able to pull myself out of every problem without even using my snatch block. Rockwell axles are strong and cool, but putting them on a rig with 200hp and 37" tires is still overkill. (like your winch, the weight will do more harm than good)

None of this was meant as an insult. I believe a person can do whatever makes them happy as long as they don't hurt anybody else. I'm glad you are happy with your setup. When you post up on a forum for opinion, don't take it personal when not everybody likes it.

So I will now shut up. I've made my point.

I agree with all that
But for me, it is fun and I like projects like this as a hobby
A Warn like yours would have been for the midt parts strong enough for me to
But the planning and buildind would not be so mutch joy
And Rockwell axels sounds like a nice thing.
If I wanted to save gas I would have bought a little Suzuki and not a Cruiser.

 

[fhultgr]

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[fhultgr]

Did you drill through both walls of the chassis rails and run the bolts all the way through or just the first wall?

I was actually thinking of just welding my plate in place

Drill through both walls.
Nothing beats å good weld.

 

[fhultgr]

Now with video

Taken two small videos today.
We where not able to get stuck, but anyway, here it is
Engine is running about 1600 RPM. That is a little over half speed
VIDEO0090.mp4 - YouTube
VIDEO0091.mp4 - YouTube

Hopefully the ground will not be so frozen later on, so I can put the winch thru some real work.

 

[wmerlos]

After stealing some other threads i want to make my own.
This is my 1993 Landcruiser HDJ-80 VX Auto. Dual winch. Mickey Tompson mickey Baja Claw 315/75/16
Old Man Emu Heavy duty. Dual e-lockers, Webasto Termo top heater, Hella Luminator lights
And some other goodies

Rear winch: Brevini Raptor 5600 KG (12000).

Sunfab hydraulic pump, 50mm oil inlet

Drive shaft from PTO to pump. Shorted from a 2 meter shaft

75kg of heavy duty Raptor winch from Brevini

Pump mount

http://www.sugarlump.no/cruiser/winch8.gif

Valve sub plate. Pressuriced oil comes from pump to sub plate. If none of the control valves is activated
Oil will return to tank, thru filter. When control valve is activated, oil wil flow to wich and rotate the drum.
Then oil will return to tank thru sub plate. With 2 solenoid on the control valve i can drive the winch in or out.
The sub plate also have a valve that releses pressure in the system when none of the valves is activatet.
Then a mecanical breake in the winch will lock the drum for rotation.

The pipe bend to the left of the sub plate is the pump inlet. It is made for 50mm hooses. So from tank to pump
There will be 9 liters of oil only in the tubes

12v directioneal control valve, can handle up to 100 liters pr. minute

36m 12mm wire with certified hook

Extreme air Magnum for pumping up tyres, and free engage winch brake

Handle for activating PTO. PTO can only by activating when both geraboxes are in neutral.
After PTO is activated i gearbox in drive to spin the pump. It is also possible to drive with PTO
Engaded. To disengage PTO gearboxes must be in neutral.

Hydraulic oil tank, 100L Have now made drawer system around the tank.

PTO. Standard LC. Only adjusted some to fit drive shaft

Winch cradle from 10mm steel. Rear winch and control valve with sub plate
Sub plate and directional valve is design for up to 100L pr. min

Compressor setup:

Air tank:

How do you operate your winch? Do you have a 4 way 3 positions valve? Any picture ?