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That's a pretty neat setup he has there, but I'm not ready to move on it at this time. First off is sorting out the ac to begin with.

I'm home now and had a peek at my '97. Here's what I found...

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That there is definitely a tube/fin, piccolo or whatever you want to call it condenser. I was able to clearly see that on the left and the right sides.

A parallel flow will absolutely make a difference. Please post up some pics of the Denso unit you have inbound. Is it supposed to be a direct fit?
 
That's a pretty neat setup he has there, but I'm not ready to move on it at this time. First off is sorting out the ac to begin with.

I'm home now and had a peek at my '97. Here's what I found...

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That there is definitely a tube/fin, piccolo or whatever you want to call it condenser. I was able to clearly see that on the left and the right sides.

A parallel flow will absolutely make a difference. Please post up some pics of the Denso unit you have inbound. Is it supposed to be a direct fit?
SCORE! I knew it wasn't a parallel flow!!! :bounce:
My new one is a direct fit, Denso part, but won't arrive until Aug 9-13. :frown:
Thanks for the research and pic.
I 2nd fixing the current situation before going with the 2nd evap. From what I've heard from JDM folks with dual/triple (fridge) air, they have the same condenser part number that we do. Maybe we have very large condensers afterall? That PF upgrade should make a huge difference!
 
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I'm home now and had a peek at my '97. Here's what I found...
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What country/market, that looks nothing like the ones that are here today? There are 2 x '97 and a '93 and all of them have flattened tubes.
 
What country/market, that looks nothing like the ones that are here today? There are 2 x '97 and a '93 and all of them have flattened tubes.
Not sure. Flattened meaning serpentine? Definitely no tanks for PF??
 
What country/market, that looks nothing like the ones that are here today? There are 2 x '97 and a '93 and all of them have flattened tubes.

It's a USDM 40th Anniversary. Now you have me thinking... did the FJ80s have the above pictured condenser style, and would it fit an FZJ? The previous owner did mention doing some AC repair work, but I can't recall what he did.
 
... Flattened meaning serpentine? ...

Flat tube, meaning not like the above picture. The poster's location is secret, so could be another market or a cheap replacement?
 
Flat tube, meaning not like the above picture. The poster's location is secret, so could be another market or a cheap replacement?
I vote cheap replacement. Those round tubes look like Tube & Fin or Piccolo, the flattened ones I've seen are Serpentine.
 
I tossed a TXV in the replacement parts list just in case. I'll clean the evaporator up while swapping the TXV.
 
I found a true parallel flow condenser with a drier for $54.79 that will fit with mods...

TYC 30008 for a 2018 Civic 1.5L hatchback.

The dimensions are 1 7/8" narrower and 1 1/2" shorter than ours, but I don't think the reduction in area would take as much away as the core design will provide...

I'm going to keep looking for a parallel condenser of OEM design closer to our size than an aftermarket unit for availability reasons.
 
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I put one in mine and works great. You have to watch your charge cause it is a smaller capacity. I dropped about 6 degrees at the duct temps. The real test will be out on the trail on Sunday when it is 110.
 
Well, then if it's a true parallel condenser, and is a bolt in, then that's the one to go with. I'm not sure how I missed that mentioned earlier. Thanks for pointing it out. Ordered and on its way.
 
Why didn't you guys answer my Amazon question then? Could have saved me 3 years of bugging folks like @ToolsRUs! :P

Seriously though, thanks a bunch for your feedback, this should be a sticky! Now I'm very excited to get it installed!

@flintknapper, is it a huge improvement or so-so? Is your AC freezing you out?
 
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I put one in mine and works great. You have to watch your charge cause it is a smaller capacity. I dropped about 6 degrees at the duct temps. The real test will be out on the trail on Sunday when it is 110.
Is there supposed to be foam crammed between the condenser and radiator?
 
@flintknapper, is it a huge improvement or so-so? Is your AC freezing you out?

Not a 'huge' improvement for me...but that is because I tend to keep my equipment in good working order.

It might make a big difference for others depending upon what condenser they have in the vehicle now. Many condensers have been changed out over the years to who knows what in many of our vehicles. Also, the condition of each system varies widely.

I will only say that a NEW true parallel condenser (of good quality made by a trusted manufacturer) will give you the best performance (possible) assuming all else is up to snuff.

You guys in some of the Western States that see ambient temps of 110+°F are at the extreme end of conditions. When its 115 degrees outside and the sun is baking your Cruiser like a lizard laying on a flat rock...its going to be hard to cool it. It just IS!

With a perfectly working 'system' if you can get a 40° drop (vent temp) from ambient...you should be happy. Anything more than that...is just icing on the cake.

But let's say your unit is exceptional and you're getting a 50 degree drop and its 110 outside. That means you are enjoying 60° F. vent temps. Jesus....if THAT doesn't feel good to you then you are just expecting too much from the 80's A/C system.

I don't care if your Brother's Dodge truck will blow 40° air. The 80's series WILL NOT.

We can't compare one engineered system against a completely different one.

Will my 80 'freeze me out',

Not normally...but it does pretty good when ambient temps are in the 80-95° range. Under those conditions, I can expect to see 40-42° vent temps. BUT...I have an Aux fan, I have a newer multi channel flat tube serpentine condenser, I have a modded fan clutch, I charged the system myself so I know its right and I took the time to adjust the charge (compare pressure window to lowest vent temp) to get all I can out of the system. Most folks and NO shops are going to do that.

The 80 series (as designed) is pretty much a toaster. You get heat from the floorboards, you get heat (on sunny days) from the roof and the windows. The grill area is comparatively small and under-hood temps get pretty high at times. It is a challenging vehicle to cool when there are temperature extremes involved.

I spent 11 years as an Engineer for a high end Class A MotorCoach manufacturer. Part of my duties was to design the A/C systems (Dash and Ducted roof mounts), prototype them, test them and ultimately write the operators manuals. Not easy to cool down a 42' MotorCoach, but the 80 series would give it a run for the money.

Toyota Engineers (undoubtedly smarter than me) didn't have a lot to work with. I think they did a pretty good job... all things considered. But air conditioning was clearly not at the top of the list (of things most important) on this vehicle.

So...make sure you put the best components on it, charge it correctly and be happy with what you get.


Flint.

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All of my cars are old school so I'm only comparing to the wife's 2001 RX300. very similar vintage and components, still has a lot of glass and the insulation isn't much better. Her vents will maintain 40-45 around town, at idle, on the freeway, etc. She only has electric fans. Thankfully, that's about the newest car I'll drive. I'd be pulling my hair out trying to keep up with a new Ram. :)
 

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