Manual Transmission in 200 series (1 Viewer)

[Str8Razor]

I searched but had no luck, has anyone done a manual transmission swap in a 200 series? Or take it a notch further and diesel swapped and manual transmission converted a US spec 200? Pic for attention…

 

[dnh1]

There is someone on this board with an OEM 5 speed 200 but not aware of any swaps.

 

[jefo13]

That would be very cool… at least I wish there was a way to make the sport mode behave more like a manual (vs top gear limiter)

 

[AnyMal]

That would be very cool… at least I wish there was a way to make the sport mode behave more like a manual (vs top gear limiter)

This. And being able to see what gear im in wouldn't hurt...

 

[TeCKis300]

Overseas, there exists a variant with manual. I believe the only 200-series with such was a low end 4.0L 1GR-FE gasser (think 4Runner motor) with a 5-speed manual. IIRC, all 200-diesels were 6-speed autos as I don't think Toyota has in its inventory a manual capable of handling the torque of the bigger motors.

Practically speaking, and I've done a couple engine swaps, I would not dare try on a electronics laden 200-series. As an interesting thought experiment, and people have built unicorns for less reasons, performance surely wouldn't be one of them. The 5.7L is the pinnacle motor for the 200-series. Even the overseas 4.5L diesel, won't match the power (HP) output of the 5.7L, unless really blown with serious forced induction. One can do the same with the 5.7L if going that far. For torque, which is really about wheel torque, there is always gearing to pair with the big bore 5.7L which is no slouch in that arena. Then consider the weight aspect of a diesel impacting payload, slower response... there wouldn't be many reasons to do so. Efficiency would be about the only one, and there are big aux tank options to support the 5.7L.

 

[bloc]

Overseas, there exists a variant with manual. I believe the only 200-series with such was a low end 4.0L 1GR-FE gasser (think 4Runner motor) with a 5-speed manual. IIRC, all 200-diesels were 6-speed autos as I don't think Toyota has in its inventory a manual capable of handling the torque of the bigger motors.

Practically speaking, and I've done a couple engine swaps, I would not dare try on a electronics laden 200-series. As an interesting thought experiment, and people have built unicorns for less reasons, performance surely wouldn't be one of them. The 5.7L is the pinnacle motor for the 200-series. Even the overseas 4.5L diesel, won't match the power (HP) output of the 5.7L, unless really blown with serious forced induction. One can do the same with the 5.7L if going that far. For torque, which is really about wheel torque, there is always gearing to pair with the big bore 5.7L which is no slouch in that arena. Then consider the weight aspect of a diesel impacting payload, slower response... there wouldn't be many reasons to do so. Efficiency would be about the only one, and there are big aux tank options to support the 5.7L.

Correct on the manual only being offered with the 4.slow. And not at all on the 300, if I remember correctly.

I put manual transmissions in the 200 platform in the list of things people think they want until they have it and gradually have to admit to themselves toyota knew what they were doing. The auto is better off road, modern ones are very reliable and efficient, and easier to implement into the rest of the vehicle when you consider no clutch pedal/hydraulics or need for a shifter to poke through the trans tunnel and isolate vibration/noise.

I highly doubt anyone will ever convert a road going 5.7 cruiser for these reasons and as you mentioned the electronics.

That said, I do believe the Dakar 200s are 4.5TD with a manual, though obviously they have a ton of resources for custom work.

 

[TeCKis300]

That said, I do believe the Dakar 200s are 4.5TD with a manual, though obviously they have a ton of resources for custom work.

I vaguely remember such a thing in some years but couldn't find it represented anywhere. The Gazoo Racing blue one right? Couldn't find any manual tranny details in a quick search. Would be interesting to figure out.

 

[bloc]

I vaguely remember such a thing in some years but couldn't find it represented anywhere. The Gazoo Racing blue one right? Couldn't find any manual tranny details in a quick search. Would be interesting to figure out.

Pretty sure if you look up video of them driving during the race they are rowing through gears. And it was definitely a 4.5TD. I’ll see what I can find

Edit: possible I’m imagining things. Less than a year ago I went down a rabbit hole of learning as much about these things as I could, and watched a ton of video. I think at some point I saw in-car video and thought “huh.. a manual!” but not stumbling on anything obvious at this point.

Edit2: @dmc posted a good pic in the Dakar 200 thread Dakar Rally 2021 - Land Cruiser - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/dakar-rally-2021-land-cruiser.1237823/post-13584691

 

[AussieHJCruza]

The H150/H152 transmission bolt to the 1VD and no issues handling the torque, so with a pedal bucket from a manual 1GR truck I'm sure it could be done.

 

[bloc]

The H150/H152 transmission bolt to the 1VD and no issues handling the torque, so with a pedal bucket from a manual 1GR truck I'm sure it could be done.

Is the 1VD offered with a manual in the 200 in Australia or only the 70-series?

 

[AussieHJCruza]

Is the 1VD offered with a manual in the 200 in Australia or only the 70-series?

You can't buy a factory manual 200 here, only offering was 1VD (they sold with the 2UZ and 1UR for a short time) and auto transmission.

 

[Str8Razor]

Overseas, there exists a variant with manual. I believe the only 200-series with such was a low end 4.0L 1GR-FE gasser (think 4Runner motor) with a 5-speed manual. IIRC, all 200-diesels were 6-speed autos as I don't think Toyota has in its inventory a manual capable of handling the torque of the bigger motors.

Practically speaking, and I've done a couple engine swaps, I would not dare try on a electronics laden 200-series. As an interesting thought experiment, and people have built unicorns for less reasons, performance surely wouldn't be one of them. The 5.7L is the pinnacle motor for the 200-series. Even the overseas 4.5L diesel, won't match the power (HP) output of the 5.7L, unless really blown with serious forced induction. One can do the same with the 5.7L if going that far. For torque, which is really about wheel torque, there is always gearing to pair with the big bore 5.7L which is no slouch in that arena. Then consider the weight aspect of a diesel impacting payload, slower response... there wouldn't be many reasons to do so. Efficiency would be about the only one, and there are big aux tank options to support the 5.7L.

Well put, I was just spitballing as I reallly enjoy driving a manual transmission Toyota, the 200 is a great platform and I agree I’m not sure the manual would be better but something to wonder about, I figured if it had been done it would be in this forum… the 5.7 with a robust Toyota manual would be fun AF to drive… just my .02… thanks for the responses…

 

[bloc]

Had a thought and did some digging… They went as far as converting to independent rear suspension in the 220mph LandCruiser and still kept the auto, apparently.

 

[Dunbar]

I'm a manual gearbox guy with 7 of my 11 vehicles being manual. I'm happy with the auto in my 200 and LS460. I installed the H55F 5 speed in my FJ62 back in 2004 and it's the best mod bar none for that truck. Love driving it.

 

[Scotch]

Solution: buy a 40 or 60 series to scratch the itch on the weekend

 

[bloc]

Solution: buy a 40 or 60 series to scratch the itch on the weekend

Or build a manual 4.5TD Dakar replica…

(Someone really needs to do this)

 

[AussieHJCruza]

I'm not so sure that the Dakar trucks do have a manual transmission.

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[bloc]

I'm not so sure that the Dakar trucks do have a manual transmission.

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I suspect it depends on the year. The post I linked above clearly has a manual shifter in it. But the more recent clips I can find seem to be automatics

 

[Climbingnut]

I have a 2017 manual LHD VDJ200. Came that way from Toyota Gibraltar. No cruise control, Crawl, ATRAC, KDSS or anything else. Came with the center cool box, push button start, knob 4 hi/low and a few other basic features. Even seats are manual. I installed Harrop E-lockers front and rear for traction control. I love this thing. Just wish it came with factory cruise control for the long trips.

I’m sure with the right wiring harness, the motor and the gearbox and pedals you could do it. Might be a job for someone like @SNLC who can order you the correct firewall for the clutch pedal, and has the know how to get odd bits and pieces to fit. To be honest though, while the VDJ engine is great, and can be tuned like crazy (I keep mine factory for reliability), I vastly prefer the 1HD-FT/FTE engine in my 80 series. That thing pulled like a train and had plenty of power on tap for whatever I needed. Sure, the VDJ has higher top end, but I don’t barrel down the road doing 200kph+.

 

[AnyMal]

I have a 2017 manual LHD VDJ200. Came that way from Toyota Gibraltar. No cruise control, Crawl, ATRAC, KDSS or anything else. Came with the center cool box, push button start, knob 4 hi/low and a few other basic features. Even seats are manual. I installed Harrop E-lockers front and rear for traction control. I love this thing. Just wish it came with factory cruise control for the long trips.

I’m sure with the right wiring harness, the motor and the gearbox and pedals you could do it. Might be a job for someone like @SNLC who can order you the correct firewall for the clutch pedal, and has the know how to get odd bits and pieces to fit. To be honest though, while the VDJ engine is great, and can be tuned like crazy (I keep mine factory for reliability), I vastly prefer the 1HD-FT/FTE engine in my 80 series. That thing pulled like a train and had plenty of power on tap for whatever I needed. Sure, the VDJ has higher top end, but I don’t barrel down the road doing 200kph+.

Wow, i wonder what it weighs. Got any more details / pics?