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[Markuson]

I second the notion that'd be awesome to have a breakdown of what you guys carry. Would be an obvious benefit to me, but also a big help to future readers of this thread that want to build their own kits. Hey @Markuson, if i go this route any advice on bag (or bags) suggestions? you think this would be a good fit?

First Aid Bag - Large

taking the advice that this needs to be within reach from the driver's seat, and suggestions for how and where to mount/out it?

Edit: First... @Taco2Cruiser is a real deal authority on major trauma. I ask some good questions and have some training and some experience...but Taco has LIVED with trauma all around.

As for me... Personally I like a quick grab up front for car accidents I’M IN...and a more comprehensive bag in back including booboo stuff and items for non life-threatening troubles.

I am currently reorganizing nearly everything in my truck and will soon have a front emergency bag that attaches to the back of the passenger headrest so it is within reach when (for example) an antler comes through the windshield (after making it past my bull bar) and someone is about to bleed to death. Or...the car I hit has someone in trouble. Quick grab stuff like tourniquet, gauze, compression and wound cavity stuff.

I have some new bags I’m considering and will post progress. I already have most of the gear needed, but I want a better, quicker, one-handed access bag in front and also one-handed if I use a second bag.

Pretty important since in an accident there’s a really good chance you can only use one hand....

Again, @Taco2Cruiser has WAAAAAAAAAAY more experience with massive trauma (trust me on that!!), so I’ll be waiting to hear more as well.

 

[DPA200]

Personally I like a quick grab up front for car accidents I’M IN...and a more comprehensive bag in back including booboo stuff and items for non life-threatening troubles.

I am currently reorganizing nearly everything in my truck and will soon have a front emergency bag that attaches to the back of the passenger headrest so it is within reach when (for example) an antler comes through the windshield (after making it past my bull bar) and someone is about to bleed to death. Or...the car I hit has someone in trouble. Quick grab stuff like tourniquet, gauze, compression and wound cavity stuff.

I have some new bags I’m considering and will post progress. I already have most of the gear needed, but I want a better, quicker, one-handed access bag in front and also one-handed if I use a second bag.

Pretty important since in an accident there’s a really good chance you can only use one hand....

@Taco2Cruiser has WAAAAAAAAAAY more experience with massive trauma (trust me on that!!), so I’ll be waiting to hear more as well.

This is trauma kit @Taco2Cruiser suggested:

ETA Trauma Kit - Medical

ITS tactical does have a nice looking bag for this (Tallboy and Fatboy options) for $62.99. The bag is made in the USA by Zulu Nylon Gear for ITS tactical. Just watched a review of it on youtube:



Sounds like that might be a good fit for the passenger headrest bag. Looking at the list of what it includes:

ETA Trauma Kit Contents & Features
QuickClot Combat Gauze LE (Features X-Ray Detectable Strip)
Beacon Chest Seal (1 Standard, 1 Vented)
Decompression Needle
Nasopharyngeal Airway (NPA) Adj. 28fr
Pressure Dressing (4”)
Compressed Gauze
Nitrile Gloves (1 Pair)
Kits are 100% Latex Free
Kits are Vacuum Sealed Using ITS TruFlex™ Material
Kits Measure Approximately 5.7” Length x 3.5” Width x 1.7” Depth
Kits are Hand Assembled and Sealed at ITS HQ

would this, plus a SOF wide tourniquet be everything you'd want to have for the potential "antler comes through the windshield" or other accident scenario where you weren't able to reach anything else from drivers seat?

I could then do an additional bag in the rear with my little Boo Boo kit

 

[Markuson]

This is trauma kit @Taco2Cruiser suggested:

ETA Trauma Kit - Medical

ITS tactical does have a nice looking bag for this (Tallboy and Fatboy options) for $62.99. The bag is made in the USA by Zulu Nylon Gear for ITS tactical. Just watched a review of it on youtube:



Sounds like that might be a good fit for the passenger headrest bag. Looking at the list of what it includes:

ETA Trauma Kit Contents & Features
QuickClot Combat Gauze LE (Features X-Ray Detectable Strip)
Beacon Chest Seal (1 Standard, 1 Vented)
Decompression Needle
Nasopharyngeal Airway (NPA) Adj. 28fr
Pressure Dressing (4”)
Compressed Gauze
Nitrile Gloves (1 Pair)
Kits are 100% Latex Free
Kits are Vacuum Sealed Using ITS TruFlex™ Material
Kits Measure Approximately 5.7” Length x 3.5” Width x 1.7” Depth
Kits are Hand Assembled and Sealed at ITS HQ

would this, plus a SOF wide tourniquet be everything you'd want to have for the potential "antler comes through the windshield" or other accident scenario where you weren't able to reach anything else from drivers seat?

I could then do an additional bag in the rear with my little Boo Boo kit

Yes. I really like that bag and will choose one or the other. Maybe another as well.

 

[RET2]

My bag is the first thing I layout when preloading and the last thing I actually load, that way it's there and not on the bottom of everything. Guess I should state that I carry a small day bag everywhere but carry a larger kit for off road. Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

 

[Markuson]

My bag is the first thing I layout when preloading and the last thing I actually load, that way it's there and not on the bottom of everything. Guess I should state that I carry a small day bag everywhere but carry a larger kit for off road. Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

For the same reasons... my trauma bag will be going on the back of the headrest, and possibly a second on the other. That way either passenger can grab one or both.

 

[Taco2Cruiser]

This is trauma kit @Taco2Cruiser suggested:

ETA Trauma Kit - Medical

ITS tactical does have a nice looking bag for this (Tallboy and Fatboy options) for $62.99. The bag is made in the USA by Zulu Nylon Gear for ITS tactical. Just watched a review of it on youtube:



Sounds like that might be a good fit for the passenger headrest bag. Looking at the list of what it includes:

ETA Trauma Kit Contents & Features
QuickClot Combat Gauze LE (Features X-Ray Detectable Strip)
Beacon Chest Seal (1 Standard, 1 Vented)
Decompression Needle
Nasopharyngeal Airway (NPA) Adj. 28fr
Pressure Dressing (4”)
Compressed Gauze
Nitrile Gloves (1 Pair)
Kits are 100% Latex Free
Kits are Vacuum Sealed Using ITS TruFlex™ Material
Kits Measure Approximately 5.7” Length x 3.5” Width x 1.7” Depth
Kits are Hand Assembled and Sealed at ITS HQ

would this, plus a SOF wide tourniquet be everything you'd want to have for the potential "antler comes through the windshield" or other accident scenario where you weren't able to reach anything else from drivers seat?

I could then do an additional bag in the rear with my little Boo Boo kit

That ITS is just a really good IFAK that Soldiers wear on their kit, which is why it packs small. When we get shot, blown up, caught on fire, or crushed, that's what we use for self aid, until Doc shows up. I have basically that kit plus some meds in a BROG small bag on their velcro panel on my driver headrest. That way, either of my hands can get to it. I'll say that your immediate trauma kit mounted above your shoulders is going to be tough, you could have shoulder/neck injuries, or worse a penetrated chest wound. Those injuries are going to make reaching up over your head, or to the other side of the truck painful, or impossible. Ideally, the immediate kit would be somewhere like the cup holder area, able to get to without out stretching too much. Maybe stuck to the side of the console by the e-brake would be a good place also. I'm accepting some risk by putting it behind my head. Unrelated, I do keep a seat belt cutter on my sun visor to prevent getting stuck in the vehicle. Then I keep my aid bag between the rear glass and the folded up 3rd row seat/on top of the 3rd row seat with a velcro strap with a quick pull tap to keep it in place, but really quickly break it free, so I can get to it easy for others that are injured. My aid bag has 5 SOF wide tourniquets, 4 Israeli bandages, 6 4x4" Quickclots, and a crap ton of sterile guaze and wide tape. There's also a chest seal, decompression needle, break and shake cold packs, emergency blankets, SAM splints, NPA and lube, seat belt cutter, and IV needles, sterile cleaning wipes and protective shields, and a couple sharpies (I have an IV bag, but with the new TC3, even I am reserved to use it. And a couple suckers, sometimes, you just need a sucker when your sucking'. Then every one gets a boo boo kit. Basically its pretty close to the ITS boo boo kit, with Cerasport. I've used more cerasport hiking around for other people I see on the trails (back when I could still hike) that were just looking like they were a little to pale. "hey man, you okay", "oh umm uh yeah it's just... hot", "yeah that's great guy, sit down, put this in your BS water bottle and drink, you look like you just walked out from ground zero, all pasty white."

Is it a lot, yeah it is, . My aid bag, it my aid bag I kept in my gun truck, so i've got some muscle memory with it. And the boo boo kits just go in our personal bags, so everything important is able to get to without moving anything, and personal boo boos are always where that person left it. It doesn't take away from any space that would of been used for anything else.

Some little advice when trying to stop bleeding, pressure. If a limb, drive your knee into the wound to get some slow down, that way you can free your two hands to attach tourniquet. High and tight, as high and tight on the limb as it can go. 1) You can't tell what's injured on internally, so don't hope that what visible from the outside is what wrong on the inside and 2) there are two bones below the elbows and knees, but only one above the elbows and knees. The tourniquet is going to try and squeeze those lower bones together, and if the bleeding is coming between the bones, you'll have a hard time getting the bleeding to stop, especially on hikers with strong leg muscles. High and tight, you're not going to make the casualty loose their elbows or knees. We'v learned you can leave tourniquets on for 36-42 hour before the joint dies. And if you can't get the casualty to a higher level of care in that time, they are dead anyway. For chest wounds, just start packing quick clot, then isreali bandages and pressure from hands. It's going to suck, we're not thoracic surgeons, so just do what you can. If crushed in or under something, if its a limb, tourniquet, then release them. If the injury is head, neck, chest, abdomen leave them where they are. Unless fire is imminent, then yeah get them out, but if they are crushed by the head or core, leave them. There needs to be serious medical professionals and equipment on site ready for those injuries upon release. Or it at least gives the casualty time to make a last phone call to loved ones... hunt the good stuff as they say.

And most importantly, be calm and get them calm, calm slows the heart, slows the blood pumping, helps keep that blood in the body, hence the sucker. But don't let them fall asleep, if their saying their tired, keep them awake.

Some additional readying, according to the American College of Surgeons’ Advanced Trauma Life Support, hemorrhaging can be divided into four classifications of severity. The first class is the least severe, concerning a hemorrhage equal to or lesser than 15 percent of the body’s total blood volume. For reference, when a person donates blood, about 8-10% of the body’s blood is removed. There are generally no symptoms of blood loss at this point, though some may feel slightly faint.

A Class 2 hemorrhage is a loss of 15 to 30 percent of blood volume. This is where symptoms of blood loss begin to manifest. “The body tries to compensate at this point with, among other things, a faster heartbeat to speed oxygen to tissues,” Alton said. “The patient will feel weak, appear pale, and skin will be cool.”

The next level of blood loss occurs with the Class 3 hemorrhage, which references loss of 30 to 40 percent of total blood volume. This could be around 3 to 4 pints of blood, for those keeping track. Blood transfusion is usually necessary with a hemorrhage of this magnitude.

At this point, the heart will be beating very quickly and is straining to get enough oxygen to tissues. Blood pressure drops. Smaller blood vessels are constricting to keep the body core circulation going.

The final classification of hemorrhaging, Class 4, occurs when a person loses over 40 percent of their blood volume. A hemorrhage so severe requires immediate and major resuscitative help, or else the strain on the body’s circulatory system will be too great to survive. The heart will no longer be able to maintain blood pressure and circulation, so organs will fail and the casualty will slip into a comatose state preceding death.

This is called hypovolemic shock, and the prognosis depends on many factors, including the amount of blood lost, the rate at which a patient is losing it, and the injury underlying the blood loss.

 

[Markuson]

As I was saying... Taco has the experience. I’m learning great stuff from this, Rob.

 

[Markuson]

All this talk of quality gear and input from @Taco2Cruiser reminds me of this sign in my garage that so love because it’s a humorous illustration why there are some products you simply **should not skimp on...**

This is “Lesters” brand...
“America’s Chespest Ammunition”

Note the last slogan at the bottom...with someone’s clothes hanging from the bear’s mouth:

Funny, but super true.

-When buying life or death stuff...
...DON’T BE A LESTERS BUYER!
(And...make sure you know how to deploy it!)

 

[DPA200]

Thanks so much for all this Taco, man you are schoolin us all big time! So helpful! Funny, I went to REI this morning and while I was there I browsed the first aid kits. Now after having your kits and the ITS Tactical as a reference, even the best kits they sold at REI looked like cheap, very incomplete, toys in comparison. My wife was like “what’s wrong with this $40 kit”, and I was like “don’t get me started”, it’s just not good enough. At the very least need much much MORE GAUZE . So, piecing together all the info and breakdown now, hopefully start ordering stuff tomorrow. At this point it’s looking like ITS trauma and boo boo extra, plus the extras you mentioned. Bags I’m not 100% sure on but possibly BROG small for trauma stored up front, and a medium for boo boo and the extra kid supplies I already have in my existing kit in the back.

 

[jmw101]

Tremendous post @Taco2Cruiser . Thanks for sharing.

 

[DPA200]

Hey @Taco2Cruiser, I got a question for you. I had a couple people recommend Chinook Medical Gear. I was directly comparing the Trauma kit vs the ITS Tactical kit and wanted to get your thoughts on it. To me, it looks like it comes with a very similar build, but it includes a bag and the SOF tourniquet Wide you'd suggested, all for $115 price. This also includes the optional QuickClot Combat Gauze, Z-Fold.

Chinook Medical Gear, Inc. Covert Trauma Pouch Kit (TMK-CTP)


The Chinook Covert Trauma Pouch Kit includes:

(2) Nitrile Glove
(1) SOF Tactical Tourniquet, Wide
(1) Compressed Gauze
(1) Compact Wound Seal
(1) Decompression Needle, 14Gx3.25"
(1) Nasopharyngeal Airway w/ Lube, 28 Fr
(1) Mini Compression Bandage
(1) Tactical Combat Casualty Care Card

vs the ITS Tactical includes:

• QuickClot Combat Gauze LE (Features X-Ray Detectable Strip)
• Beacon Chest Seal (1 Standard, 1 Vented)
• Decompression Needle
• Nasopharyngeal Airway (NPA) Adj. 28fr
• Pressure Dressing (4”)
• Compressed Gauze
• Nitrile Gloves (1 Pair)
• Kits are 100% Latex Free
• Kits are Vacuum Sealed Using ITS TruFlex™ Material
• Kits Measure Approximately 5.7” Length x 3.5” Width x 1.7” Depth
• Kits are Hand Assembled and Sealed at ITS HQ

So, main differences I can see are:

• ITS includes 2-beacon Chest Seal's, Chinook does not - (looks like i could purchase these on Amazon for about $25 for the 2)
• ITS has QuickClot LE, the Chinook has QuickClot Z-Fold - (I have no clue what the difference there is)

• Chinook includes the SOF Tactical Tourniquet, Wide - (I'd have to buy this separate with the ITS for $30)
• Chinook includes a bag - (This is an extra $40 from ITS or the BROG route)

So, just wanted to check with you to see if I'm missing anything, or if you think this is a good buy. If i got this, and added these items you suggested:

36" rolled SAM Splint
4" wide surgical tape
Israeli bandages
"a crap ton of sterile gauze", and wide tape

would that be everything need in my front seat kit? Thanks again for all the rocking advice!

 

[Taco2Cruiser]

Hey @Taco2Cruiser, I got a question for you. I had a couple people recommend Chinook Medical Gear. I was directly comparing the Trauma kit vs the ITS Tactical kit and wanted to get your thoughts on it. To me, it looks like it comes with a very similar build, but it includes a bag and the SOF tourniquet Wide you'd suggested, all for $115 price. This also includes the optional QuickClot Combat Gauze, Z-Fold.

Chinook Medical Gear, Inc. Covert Trauma Pouch Kit (TMK-CTP)


The Chinook Covert Trauma Pouch Kit includes:

(2) Nitrile Glove
(1) SOF Tactical Tourniquet, Wide
(1) Compressed Gauze
(1) Compact Wound Seal
(1) Decompression Needle, 14Gx3.25"
(1) Nasopharyngeal Airway w/ Lube, 28 Fr
(1) Mini Compression Bandage
(1) Tactical Combat Casualty Care Card

vs the ITS Tactical includes:

• QuickClot Combat Gauze LE (Features X-Ray Detectable Strip)
• Beacon Chest Seal (1 Standard, 1 Vented)
• Decompression Needle
• Nasopharyngeal Airway (NPA) Adj. 28fr
• Pressure Dressing (4”)
• Compressed Gauze
• Nitrile Gloves (1 Pair)
• Kits are 100% Latex Free
• Kits are Vacuum Sealed Using ITS TruFlex™ Material
• Kits Measure Approximately 5.7” Length x 3.5” Width x 1.7” Depth
• Kits are Hand Assembled and Sealed at ITS HQ

So, main differences I can see are:

• ITS includes 2-beacon Chest Seal's, Chinook does not - (looks like i could purchase these on Amazon for about $25 for the 2)
• ITS has QuickClot LE, the Chinook has QuickClot Z-Fold - (I have no clue what the difference there is)

• Chinook includes the SOF Tactical Tourniquet, Wide - (I'd have to buy this separate with the ITS for $30)
• Chinook includes a bag - (This is an extra $40 from ITS or the BROG route)

So, just wanted to check with you to see if I'm missing anything, or if you think this is a good buy. If i got this, and added these items you suggested:

36" rolled SAM Splint
4" wide surgical tape
Israeli bandages
"a crap ton of sterile gauze", and wide tape

would that be everything need in my front seat kit? Thanks again for all the rocking advice!

Yeah, I like that Chinook kit better for what you're most likely see and are trained for early on. I don’t see you needing a chest seal and decompress needle unless 1) someone falls into a pole or something 2) idiot hunter/criminal that puts a round though someone’s lung. Both could happen, you just weigh the odds.

Quick clot LE is Law enforcement. It has a X Ray refectory strip so once at a higher level of care, medical staff can easily see it, and do something about it.

Z fold doesn’t have that. They are both in a Z fold pattern which is nice because you can tear the bag, and pull out what you need. And if you have to, cut it, and continue to use what’s left for other point of injuries.

The LE is good for if you’re not there with the casualty when at the hospital to explain what you did. But you can also tell the first responders, and usually the message gets relayed. That’s why it’s police stuff. Officer gets shot, packed, and set to med center with less information than civilians usually. If you can pack a family member with quick clot, then you can probably be good enough to ride along with that person to the med center and make sure they know where you when packing that stuff.

So yeah, that Chinook kit is a good find. Use the extra money for another SOF tourniquet.

Remember you can use more than one tourniquet on the same limb if needed. Or then you have two for multiple causalities or for multiple limbs. Just stop the bleeding, that’s the best thing and soon will be thought as much as CPR.

Of the deaths of the Boston Bombing, it was determined that just under half that died, didn’t have one means of blood control on them when they got to the med center and that if they had at least one tourniquet on them, they would of most likely survived.

The human body is pretty amazing, it can take some incredible damage and keep going, but it can also be lost with something so simple.

 

[DPA200]

Yeah, I like that Chinook kit better for what you're most likely see and are trained for early on. I don’t see you needing a chest seal and decompress needle unless 1) someone falls into a pole or something 2) idiot hunter/criminal that puts a round though someone’s lung. Both could happen, you just weigh the odds.

Quick clot LE is Law enforcement. It has a X Ray refectory strip so once at a higher level of care, medical staff can easily see it, and do something about it.

Z fold doesn’t have that. They are both in a Z fold pattern which is nice because you can tear the bag, and pull out what you need. And if you have to, cut it, and continue to use what’s left for other point of injuries.

The LE is good for if you’re not there with the casualty when at the hospital to explain what you did. But you can also tell the first responders, and usually the message gets relayed. That’s why it’s police stuff. Officer gets shot, packed, and set to med center with less information than civilians usually. If you can pack a family member with quick clot, then you can probably be good enough to ride along with that person to the med center and make sure they know where you when packing that stuff.

So yeah, that Chinook kit is a good find. Use the extra money for another SOF tourniquet.

Remember you can use more than one tourniquet on the same limb if needed. Or then you have two for multiple causalities or for multiple limbs. Just stop the bleeding, that’s the best thing and soon will be thought as much as CPR.

Of the deaths of the Boston Bombing, it was determined that just under half that died, didn’t have one means of blood control on them when they got to the med center and that if they had at least one tourniquet on them, they would of most likely survived.

The human body is pretty amazing, it can take some incredible damage and keep going, but it can also be lost with something so simple.

Awesome, thanks again. I’ll go ahead and order this tomorrow along with the extra SOF tourniquet wide (is the wide good for kids as well?). Good tip on multiple tourniquets.

I’ll then add to it:

36" rolled SAM Splint
4" wide surgical tape
Israeli bandages
sterile gauze and wide tape
Seat belt cutter (for visor)
Shears?

Let me know if you think of anything else for my front of truck bag.

For the rear I’ll go with the ITS boo boo kit Plus, and BROG medium bag, which I think should still have room in it to add existing kid related stuff

 

[Taco2Cruiser]

Awesome, thanks again. I’ll go ahead and order this tomorrow along with the extra SOF tourniquet wide (is the wide good for kids as well?). Good tip on multiple tourniquets.

I’ll then add to it:

36" rolled SAM Splint
4" wide surgical tape
Israeli bandages
sterile gauze and wide tape
Seat belt cutter (for visor)
Shears?

Let me know if you think of anything else for my front of truck bag.

For the rear I’ll go with the ITS boo boo kit Plus, and BROG medium bag, which I think should still have room in it to add existing kid related stuff

Excellent point, I’m not sure how big your kids are. If the SOF is too big, then pick up a RATs. But please watch the training video, you need to wrap the strap close to itself around the limb to make up the 2” of width needed for a proper TQ. Past that, they are pretty legit.

R.A.T.S. Tourniquet "Prepare for the worst, have the best"

They are proving good for little kids limbs. Some say a SWAT TQ is good also, plus those can also be a nifty pressure dressing, but I have some mixed feeling about them.

 

[DPA200]

Yes. I really like that bag and will choose one or the other. Maybe another as well.

On a bag specific not, do you think the BROG medium would be the right size for the general first aid kit that goes in the back of the truck?
trying to see if I'd need the large version, or the medium would suffice. Also, if there are any other bag options you've been looking at let me know. Thanks

First Aid IFAK Bag - Medium

 

[SQRRRL]

Go big. I hate stuffing my EMS gear in a bag. I seem to activate ice packs from time to time.

 

[DirtNap]

Great stuff here, thanks for sharing your expertise. it is a bit overwhelming though. I think the "tl;dr" answer is, "Just drive with Taco2Cruiser". Failing that, I'm pretty sure I can fit my ER-doc neighbor in one of my large duffel.

 

[SQRRRL]

Build and learn as you go. Don’t stress brah!

 

[Markuson]

Go big. I hate stuffing my EMS gear in a bag. I seem to activate ice packs from time to time.

Yes. This go-big thing is another reason to get a *soft* bag rather than a hard case because if the soft case isn’t full...it can still fit in a smaller space. Not so with a large hard case!

 

[gaijin]

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