Lithium Jump Starter Recommendations

[Markuson]

Which loops it back to what was said previously, take a class. Especially if you wheel with your kids. You'll be surprised at what you learn. Assuming it's a legit course and not some half assed attempt.

This.

Plus, lots of legit classes can be attended for free.

 

[DPA200]

Not to derail what is now the official “first aid” thread, but looki what can in the mail today. Remember when this thread started as a jump starter thread? . Thx @Markuson for the solid advice on this and that ever so pretty case

 

[Markuson]

Not to derail what is now the official “first aid” thread, but looki what can in the mail today. Remember when this thread started as a jump starter thread? . Thx @Markuson for the solid advice on this and that ever so pretty case

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Nice!
It’s always great to find a perfect case for stuff arhat a weird shape...and the fact it’s only $16 is pretty sweet.

 

[txtortoise]

+1 on the Noco jump packs. My GB70 has jumped both my VDJ200 and HDJ80 with ease.

I'd stay away from the Antigravity XP-10. One almost burned an 80 series to the ground in the 80 forum

OH CRAP! Bet you never had this happen before!

FWIW, Antigravity is so popular that they've had real issues with counterfeit units via Amazon and other sources, so use due diligence when buying. I've got three and love them.

 

[HRTROB]

FWIW, Antigravity is so popular that they've add real issues with counterfeit units via Amazon and other sources, so use due diligence when buying. I've got three and love them.

I'd buy a fire-proof lipo pag for each of those XP-10's if I were you. Better to be safe than sorry. Especially since there have been numerous stories about these Antigravity packs catching fire or bulging/puffing. Even genuine batteries can fail (like the infamous Samsung Galaxy Note 7)

 

[ForrestGrump]

Bring back the first aid topic, while first aid kits are FSA/HSA eligible, first aid training, cpr, first responder, etc training is, unfortunately, not eligible. That said, check with your HR department if you work for a bigger company because some will offer classes for free. Also, check out Red Cross Training | Take a Class | Red Cross. Classes can be found in your area and are pretty affordable. Well worth it. Just in case one of these lithum ion batteries blow up on you or a loved one, you'll be able to respond appropriately

 

[TonyP]

It's wild that basic first aid and/or CPR isn't a requirement for the civilian world. Or maybe 17 years in the military has me brainwashed that everyone should have to go through a required training, especially active shooter. But that's another discussion altogether.

 

[DPA200]

Bring back the first aid topic, while first aid kits are FSA/HSA eligible, first aid training, cpr, first responder, etc training is, unfortunately, not eligible. That said, check with your HR department if you work for a bigger company because some will offer classes for free. Also, check out Red Cross Training | Take a Class | Red Cross. Classes can be found in your area and are pretty affordable. Well worth it. Just in case one of these lithum ion batteries blow up on you or a loved one, you'll be able to respond appropriately

I went down the whole insurance route today. Lotta phone calls. I have a HSA apparently which the funds carry over, so spending out of it...though appealing to save a bit now, is just money I won’t have later. So, I dropped that idea just going to go ahead and buy a kit. I’d like to hear what @doctorres112 has to say about the specific kit breakdowns from my spreadsheet. If I’m spending the money I just want to get the best option for it.

First Aid Kit

Now that I’m learning more about this, and really looking over what’s included, the $286 for the outdoor supply weekender doesn’t seem like a bad deal. Even though it’s more than others , that fancy case alone and with the ability to use their mounting solutions is worth some extra expense.

I’ll check with my local Red Cross on classes, I’d really like to know more about using all this.

 

[Markuson]

It's wild that basic first aid and/or CPR isn't a requirement for the civilian world. Or maybe 17 years in the military has me brainwashed that everyone should have to go through a required training, especially active shooter. But that's another discussion altogether.

I like Israel’s model.

Everyone serves at least a short term...and everyone can be called up if needed. When that’s the model, suddenly perspectives change because everyone has skin in the game.

It’s like taxation, but in reverse.: -The fact that nearly HALF the population pays no income tax means a massive swath of the population wants a nanny state...because get the nanny on everyone else’s dime. -No skin in the game.

Personally, I tried to join 6 or 7 years ago when stuff got nasty...only to discover I’d just missed the old fart cut-off which is 43 for the Army...younger for others.

 

[TonyP]

Israel is also a fairly poor country. Somewhere on part with Mexico. I even think Nigeria has a higher GDP. They're only propped up because of the US, again, another topic altogether.

That said, taxation is theft. Ancap all the way... in three years when I retire.

 

[Taco2Cruiser]

I went down the whole insurance route today. Lotta phone calls. I have a HSA apparently which the funds carry over, so spending out of it...though appealing to save a bit now, is just money I won’t have later. So, I dropped that idea just going to go ahead and buy a kit. I’d like to hear what @doctorres112 has to say about the specific kit breakdowns from my spreadsheet. If I’m spending the money I just want to get the best option for it.

First Aid Kit

Now that I’m learning more about this, and really looking over what’s included, the $286 for the outdoor supply weekender doesn’t seem like a bad deal. Even though it’s more than others , that fancy case alone and with the ability to use their mounting solutions is worth some extra expense.

I’ll check with my local Red Cross on classes, I’d really like to know more about using all this.

In the mean time, I don't really like that $286 kit. It has a lot of stuff, as in a variety of things. But there isn't much abundance of anything. You really need more larger gauze pads, like 50x 4"x4". For tape, that kit gives you a 1/2" wide tape, that isn't going to help with much. 4" wide tape, its awesome, and when there's a lot of blood, things don't stick very well. 1/2" wide with a lot of blood is going to turn into string. I could go on.

So I guess what I'm saying is that it's okay to have more larger pads, more tape, and get more isreali bandages, and more tourniquets. That kit gives you a chest seal, ok, well then instead take the wrapper of an isreali bandage, lay the inside on the wound and tape it down with wide tape. That's when I want to ask what penetrated the chest? If a bullet because of a bad hunter, cool, but if you have a sucking chest wound, then wheres the decompression needle for it? Then we get into the training, because punching a big ass needle through the chest between the 3rd and 4th ribs takes some force, like Pulp Fiction force. You can go buy the medications on that list in greater bulk for cheaper price per unit at walmart.

That's probably why I don't like these kits much. They give you a lot different items, but little bulk of any one thing. Then some things I feel are thrown in for fun. Like tweezers (which will probably not be very good), and one chem light (which is cool, if you have some string, then you can tie a chem light to the string and spin it, makes one hell of a crazy spinning circle light for nighttime ID by people looking to find you). But then you need some string, which isn't in the kit.

I feel there is really two kits people should have. A boo boo kit, and a First Aid Kit.

Most of the time, people are going to get burns, get dehydrated, get a splinter, or get an upset tummy (yeah, I said tummy)

Then there is the aid bag, be ready to stop bleeding by restricting blood flow, then packing the wound, then sealing the wound. For falls and breaks, I love those moldable splints (which the kit only has one, so I guess the casualty shouldn't have more than one injury), , but this is where some 4" wide tape comes in again, wrap that SOB up and then you can stabilize limps or necks (but don't strangle them...)

So final thoughts, I guess I don't hate these kits. I think they are a great place to start, but over time you will add to it, not replace, and adjust it to suit what you feel is important. Don't buy it as a set kit, maybe get it, but just add some more things that I mentioned to it to make it really ready to handle a kid that go too close to cliff, or a person who trips into a fire, or a crushed leg from a vehicle rolling backward, or a serious head injury from a hi-lift (hate Hi-lifts, I got rid of mine 10 years ago), or a snapped metal winch that cut a guys abdomen open. All of those were true incidents I've handled, so they happen (and only one of those wasn't in the US).

 

[Union]

If you're willing to do the research into these kits, then I suggest building your own. You'll know exactly what you have and where it is when you need it. You'll be more familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of each item in the kit. Additionally you can cater it to exactly what situations you want to be prepared for. Rather than a catch all kit that may have limited gauze pads but a ton of band-aids. It really just depends on your intent for each kit.

 

[Markuson]

Personally, I’d much rather have a nice bag rather than a rigid case like that fancy set.

Nothing wrong with a basic kit to start, but if you are preparing for the worst possibilities, it will mean adding specifics that I’ve never seen in any generalized first aid kit. Many of those items have odd shapes that quickly overwhelm a smallish rigid case.

 

[doctorres112]

I went down the whole insurance route today. Lotta phone calls. I have a HSA apparently which the funds carry over, so spending out of it...though appealing to save a bit now, is just money I won’t have later. So, I dropped that idea just going to go ahead and buy a kit. I’d like to hear what @doctorres112 has to say about the specific kit breakdowns from my spreadsheet. If I’m spending the money I just want to get the best option for it.

First Aid Kit

Now that I’m learning more about this, and really looking over what’s included, the $286 for the outdoor supply weekender doesn’t seem like a bad deal. Even though it’s more than others , that fancy case alone and with the ability to use their mounting solutions is worth some extra expense.

I’ll check with my local Red Cross on classes, I’d really like to know more about using all this.

I have several thoughts on this, the kits you linked and the comments below. However, I'm babysitting my 4 kids at the moment so I could respond to this appropriately.

I promise to share my POV though it will be much in line w/ @Taco2Cruiser

More to follow...

-Chris

 

[DPA200]

I have several thoughts on this, the kits you linked and the comments below. However, I'm babysitting my 4 kids at the moment so I could respond to this appropriately.

I promise to share my POV though it will be much in line w/ @Taco2Cruiser

More to follow...

-Chris

Thanks @doctorres112 I look forward to hearing your thoughts. At this point it sounds like any pre made kits is going to need some level of upgrades and additional items. I don’t have time right now to build from scratch, so really looking for what pre made kits gets me the closest foundation. When you don’t have your hands so full take a look at the spreadsheet link and let me know your thoughts on those 3 options if you’d be so kind. Or if perhaps you have another option you think would be better. Thanks for the input.

 

[Taco2Cruiser]

Thanks @doctorres112 I look forward to hearing your thoughts. At this point it sounds like any pre made kits is going to need some level of upgrades and additional items. I don’t have time right now to build from scratch, so really looking for what pre made kits gets me the closest foundation. When you don’t have your hands so full take a look at the spreadsheet link and let me know your thoughts on those 3 options if you’d be so kind. Or if perhaps you have another option you think would be better. Thanks for the input.

Well... if you have to buy something, then a kit is better than nothing. To give you another option if you need something to get you started. But please let me say I still am not all about ready made kits, but this gets to the needs a bit better in my opinion.

https://store.itstactical.com/medical.html

Get a ETA trauma kit $129.99, SOF wide tourniquet $29.99, ITS Boo Boo Kit Plus $49.99, a 36" rolled SAM splint $12.99, then go to any store and buy a some 3-4" wide surgical tape, and Cerasport. That puts you at $222.96 (minus some wide tape and rehydration salts, which is super important), gives you some money left over for bag of your choice. Like a BLOG one. Not saying they are the best, just giving options. Or buy an extra israeli bandage, or tourniquet.

First Aid

 

[yonah]

I have one of these in each of my cars - XP-10 POWER SUPPLY & JUMP STARTER | THE MICRO-START and others here on MUD have used & recommended them. (I haven't - thankfully - been stranded and needed it)

There's a bigger / HD version too, but the XP-10 should meet your requirements. XP-10 is around $200.

I set a calendar reminder every 90 days to check the charge level and/or top it off as needed. Easily stores in a lot of nooks / crannies / under seats...

Ditto on the XP-10. I've had mine for a couple years now. Works every time - I use it a few times a year to jump a coworker's car, etc. I've never used it myself, but it's nice to know it's there and it works.

 

[DPA200]

Well... if you have to buy something, then a kit is better than nothing. To give you another option if you need something to get you started. But please let me say I still am not all about ready made kits, but this gets to the needs a bit better in my opinion.

https://store.itstactical.com/medical.html

Get a ETA trauma kit $129.99, SOF wide tourniquet $29.99, ITS Boo Boo Kit Plus $49.99, a 36" rolled SAM splint $12.99, then go to any store and buy a some 3-4" wide surgical tape, and Cerasport. That puts you at $222.96 (minus some wide tape and rehydration salts, which is super important), gives you some money left over for bag of your choice. Like a BLOG one. Not saying they are the best, just giving options. Or buy an extra israeli bandage, or tourniquet.

First Aid

Thanks again @Taco2Cruiser I really appreciate all the helpful info. This sounds like a solid option, semi-assembled, but a little bit customized.
Don't get me wrong on the pre-made kits, if someone wants to give me an itemized list of every exact thing i should buy, i could probably get it all bought or ordered in time for my trip. Since i don't have that knowledge myself, i assumed pre-made would get me the closest. I like the ITS Tactical stuff it looks like a quality company. So, adding this to the options i added all this info to that same shared spreadsheet (column all the way on the right side). Here is the link again if anybody missed it:

First Aid Kit

As far as the bag goes, I agree with @Markuson said that being that I am going to customize and add to it, the hard case probably is not the best option. Harder to squeeze into spots in the cabin to make it accessible and limits me to add-ons. Its cool and all thats its dust, water and crush proof.....but the reality is I'm going to have this inside the 200, not strapped to the outside of a ATV. So, as far as soft cases go, I'm open to advise. I put the large $109.99 Blue Ridge Overland Gear First Aid bag on the spreadsheet which would bring me to $332.95 total. I've been looking for an excuse to buy something from them for a while, and they have free shipping and 10% off right now. I'm always down for quality USA goods. I already bought the Cerasport the other day when you suggested it (thanks). Do you'all think this bag would be a good fit for this setup, or any other options i should look at? I like the 4 separate compartments that velcro in to keep it organized by category. I also see ITS Tactical makes a bag (made in Texas) specifically for the Trauma kit, and a separate bag for the Boo Boo (so cut) kits. Anyways, open to input on the bag. And again, when you have the time @doctorres112 if you can review the spreadsheet and give me your feedback as well. Thanks everyone!

 

[Markuson]

Well... if you have to buy something, then a kit is better than nothing. To give you another option if you need something to get you started. But please let me say I still am not all about ready made kits, but this gets to the needs a bit better in my opinion.

https://store.itstactical.com/medical.html

Get a ETA trauma kit $129.99, SOF wide tourniquet $29.99, ITS Boo Boo Kit Plus $49.99, a 36" rolled SAM splint $12.99, then go to any store and buy a some 3-4" wide surgical tape, and Cerasport. That puts you at $222.96 (minus some wide tape and rehydration salts, which is super important), gives you some money left over for bag of your choice. Like a BLOG one. Not saying they are the best, just giving options. Or buy an extra israeli bandage, or tourniquet.

First Aid

Ha! I deleted my use of the "Boo Boo" kit for fear it might be taken the wrong way (...just what I used to call them in the classroom with tongue in cheek--I actually called playground blood "battle wounds" and little kids when from crying to BRAGGING about their blood! Haha! Managing little kid emotions is like an exercise in psychology)...and then you go and resurrect it! I had no idea the term was a thing... I had made it up in class. Go figure...

I guess it is pretty descriptive of most ready-made kits.

Anyway... @Taco2Cruiser I'd love to someday get a photo of your kit spread out...or a list.

Think I'll do the same.

 

[DPA200]

Ha! I deleted my use of the "Boo Boo" kit for fear it might be taken the wrong way (...just what I used to call them in the classroom with tongue in cheek--I actually called playground blood "battle wounds" and little kids when from crying to BRAGGING about their blood! Haha! Managing little kid emotions is like an exercise in psychology)...and then you go and resurrect it! I had no idea the term was a thing... I had made it up in class. Go figure...

I guess it is pretty descriptive of most ready-made kits.

Anyway... @Taco2Cruiser I'd love to someday get a photo of your kit spread out...or a list.

Think I'll do the same.

I second the notion that'd be awesome to have a breakdown of what you guys carry. Would be an obvious benefit to me, but also a big help to future readers of this thread that want to build their own kits. Hey @Markuson, if i go this route any advice on bag (or bags) suggestions? you think this would be a good fit?

First Aid Bag - Large

taking the advice that this needs to be within reach from the driver's seat, and suggestions for how and where to mount/out it?