Builds Let's Baseline my new to me 1993 Land Cruiser

[PNWTreeOctopus]

Seriously considering deleting this ABS system. This would be a major pivot for me. My major reasons for keeping the ABS have been to keep the rig "as safe as possible". However, I've never been able to properly get the ABS pump free of all its air, and I think as a result I cannot even get a strong brake feel. I've never locked up the ABS on dry pavement, and only on ice at slow speeds. Snow and ice has been the major reason I have held on to the ABS system, but I think that I am shifting away from this perspective. The key to driving on snow and ice for me has always been to moderate my speed (often severely) to maintain traction.

I'm eager to get this rig up to its full potential, and I'm starting to think that ABS is holding it back. Talk me out of doing this.

 

[Feldrian]

I've been in the same boat as you - trying to keep the ABS at long as possible. After driving a deleted 80 I'm seriously thinking about losing the abs and LSPV (and adding a manual valve). Brake feel and performance was much more how I'd like it.

 

[PNWTreeOctopus]

I just pulled the trigger on a new set of front sensors. After talking to my wife we decided that keeping the possibility of safer maneuvering under heavy breaking (in the frozen wasteland of MN) was worth fighting the expense and frustration of the ABS system.

It’s only money….

 

[Dusten]

I have no abs and wish I did on the slick stuff.

Honestly though at slow speeds on ice abs doesn't work anyway

 

[BILT4ME]

I hate ABS. When I rebuilt my front axle 130K miles ago, my ABS quit working.

I have not missed it in snow, rain, or mud. I just don't know if I really want to remove all the parts.

 

[Feldrian]

My primary reason for keeping all of the ABS components working is insurance - I'd rather not give some other driver's lawyer (or my insurance company) an excuse to deny a claim.

 

[letsgoalready]

Nope up in Bellingham! My Exhaust looks kind of tired, so its probably on the list of stuff to replace at some point.

You still up here in Bellingham? We just got the wife a 92 80 Series and would love to pick your brain over a beer or something. We live in the Puget neighborhood.

 

[PNWTreeOctopus]

You still up here in Bellingham? We just got the wife a 92 80 Series and would love to pick your brain over a beer or something. We live in the Puget neighborhood.

Still here, but moving this summer. Happy to meet up for a beer at some point. @Dirtygumboots is also a Bellingham cruiser guy and super nice.

 

[Dirtygumboots]

I just pulled the trigger on a new set of front sensors. After talking to my wife we decided that keeping the possibility of safer maneuvering under heavy breaking (in the frozen wasteland of MN) was worth fighting the expense and frustration of the ABS system.

It’s only money….
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Still here, but moving this summer. Happy to meet up for a beer at some point. @Dirtygumboots is also a Bellingham cruiser guy and super nice.

We should get the 80’s out for a drive before you move to MN.

 

[PNWTreeOctopus]

Heading to Cruiser Outfitters

I’m excited to share that I’m headed to SLC on May 15 to have some suspension work done. You, the voices crying out of the interwebs, have rightfully counseled me to do this work myself because suspension work is easy. I’m sure you’re right. However, since I’m moving in about 9 weeks I want some help. @cruiseroutfit has been a great resource here on my little thread and an absolute pleasure to work with over the phone both during the great re-gear of 2022-23, and my recent puzzling over suspension.

So I’m having their crew install some Dobinsons 2.5” dual rate springs, and some OME BP-51 shocks, and a set of DVS radius arms and while that’s happening I’m going to visit the LC heritage museum, sample some 3.2 beer and sightsee SLC.

 

[Dusten]

God damn that's a helluva drive for something any competent off-road shop could handle

 

[PNWTreeOctopus]

God damn that's a helluva drive for something any competent off-road shop could handle

Yes, bordering on absurd, but it will be fun. Plus it’s on the way to St. Paul…kinda. So after I get my new suspension I’m hauling to MN for 1.5 weeks to paint and prep for move in on June 21 for my family. Then back to Wa to prep my house in Bellingham for sale.

 

[FMC80]

G, is this the first time your whoring your LC out to someone else to have work done? Do you feel dirty?

 

[PNWTreeOctopus]

Test Fitting:

Wrestling this QPM into its new home is a giant pain in the ass. It feels terrible to scrape it all up trying to get it into place. Depending on how you lay your’s out it will be a bear to slot in. I do appruhow this means you get lots of space to lay out electronics, but it’s tricky. Especially with my drawers in. I managed to bang up my plywood edge and split a huge hunk out. I was able to get it in, but I’ve pulled it out to adjust the airline fitting (they are too proud and require lower profile fitting to clear the plastic interior panel).

The other gotcha is that the rear sunroof drain, and a small factory wire harness are both a little tricky to fit under the QPM. I have re wrapped the factory wire harness in Tessa tape to help prevent any abrasions, and I’ve created a little slack by disconnecting factory mounting points, but I’m not totally thrilled at how it contacts the bottom of the QPM. The sunroof drain is has very little adjustability, so it requires a different approach. The old tape that secured it to the body panel has been destroyed by 200kmiles and 30 years of dust. So I’m hoping to create a new way to secure it to the body in a way that it is t crimped by the QPM.

Given that it is such a PITA to get in and out I’m dialing up my perfectionism to prevent any near future repairs due to my desire to get this done.

Still waiting on ABS sensors from Toyota.

 

[Dusten]

Test Fitting:View attachment 3305335
Wrestling this QPM into its new home is a giant pain in the ass. It feels terrible to scrape it all up trying to get it into place. Depending on how you lay your’s out it will be a bear to slot in. I do appruhow this means you get lots of space to lay out electronics, but it’s tricky. Especially with my drawers in. I managed to bang up my plywood edge and split a huge hunk out. I was able to get it in, but I’ve pulled it out to adjust the airline fitting (they are too proud and require lower profile fitting to clear the plastic interior panel).

The other gotcha is that the rear sunroof drain, and a small factory wire harness are both a little tricky to fit under the QPM. I have re wrapped the factory wire harness in Tessa tape to help prevent any abrasions, and I’ve created a little slack by disconnecting factory mounting points, but I’m not totally thrilled at how it contacts the bottom of the QPM. The sunroof drain is has very little adjustability, so it requires a different approach. The old tape that secured it to the body panel has been destroyed by 200kmiles and 30 years of dust. So I’m hoping to create a new way to secure it to the body in a way that it is t crimped by the QPM.

Given that it is such a PITA to get in and out I’m dialing up my perfectionism to prevent any near future repairs due to my desire to get this done.

Still waiting on ABS sensors from Toyota.

To destroy your ocd maybe I'll start a thread for my new rig and tag you. It's a wiring nightmare

 

[PNWTreeOctopus]

Going slow to go fast

I'm still wresting with my QPM. Specifically I'm trying to get my ARB compressor to air manifold all sorted out. Routing the air from the compressor must be done such that the air line will not interfere with the plastic body panel. The arb has a lots of adjustability in how you can route the airline, but given that I'm wedging it it a narrow little space it is still a bit tricky. I managed to kink the provided braided airline while trying to coax it into a position it didn't like. Unfortunately I think I have compromised it beyond my willingness to run it.

I did have a plastic airline and compression fitting airline (sorry no pictures) version I tried, but I have heard in the forums that these compressors run pretty hot when you're airing up tires. I don't really want to have melting airline issues, or want to worry about melting airlines. I have tried to find hardware store parts that will work on this, but after much trial and error I'm now waiting on some ARB 90 degree fittings, and a braided steel airline to come in the mail.

Still waiting on my hyper expensive ABS speed sensors to arrive at Toyota. Always waiting for parts. AWFP.

 

[Feldrian]

Going slow to go fast

I'm still wresting with my QPM. Specifically I'm trying to get my ARB compressor to air manifold all sorted out. Routing the air from the compressor must be done such that the air line will not interfere with the plastic body panel. The arb has a lots of adjustability in how you can route the airline, but given that I'm wedging it it a narrow little space it is still a bit tricky. I managed to kink the provided braided airline while trying to coax it into a position it didn't like. Unfortunately I think I have compromised it beyond my willingness to run it.

I did have a plastic airline and compression fitting airline (sorry no pictures) version I tried, but I have heard in the forums that these compressors run pretty hot when you're airing up tires. I don't really want to have melting airline issues, or want to worry about melting airlines. I have tried to find hardware store parts that will work on this, but after much trial and error I'm now waiting on some ARB 90 degree fittings, and a braided steel airline to come in the mail.

Still waiting on my hyper expensive ABS speed sensors to arrive at Toyota. Always waiting for parts. AWFP.

I checked my install - confirming I used the ARB hose that came with the manifold on the compressor with the output clocked to point down, not up. I remember it was a pain in the butt to install and thought about just going to nylon hose, but ultimately thought the same thing you did and was worried I'd melt the line.

I wish I could get a pic for you, but the line is under the compressor and attached to the QMP - Not much to take a pic of unfortunately.

 

[PNWTreeOctopus]

I checked my install - confirming I used the ARB hose that came with the manifold on the compressor with the output clocked to point down, not up. I remember it was a pain in the butt to install and thought about just going to nylon hose, but ultimately thought the same thing you did and was worried I'd melt the line.

I wish I could get a pic for you, but the line is under the compressor and attached to the QMP - Not much to take a pic of unfortunately.

I appreciate that. I’m disappointed I mangled my braided air line, but I have a solution coming in the mail. When will it arrive? No idea.

 

[Drift Monkey]

I also installed my Dobinsons LSPV bracket that I ordered adn promptly installed it upside down. I found a reasonable position for it to be in without interfering with the suspension links. I think I actually have it upside-down but I did adjust the nuts on the LSPV bracket so I could get some clearance. I actually think I was able to make my rear brakes do some work. Once I get my booster pushrod adjusted correctly I'll report about brake feel. View attachment 3260162

I also recently installed this bracket, have a similar orientation to you in the axle side bracket but was my rod is going over (and contacting) the upper arm. Should the goal be to also move the body side down some and route the rod under the arm?

 

[PNWTreeOctopus]

I also recently installed this bracket, have a similar orientation to you in the axle side bracket but was my rod is going over (and contacting) the upper arm. Should the goal be to also move the body side down some and route the rod under the arm?

Great question! It’s entirely possible I routed my LSPV rod wrong and it should be above the control arm. No idea!

Edited for clarity.