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[kreiten]

I ran 35mm offset wheels on my LX470 for years with 33x12.50, great offset for that rig and the 200. But one thing I can tell you is if you wheel your rigs hard and you slap 35's on it and don't do something about the rear bumpstops it will rub inside the rear wheel well. Might not rub super bad but it will rub while pushing the rig offroad. I rubbed in my LX470 offroad with 33x12.50 on 35mm offset wheels in the rear inner fender pretty hard while pushing the rig. In that rig I had to add 1.5 inch spacers to limit up travel when I went to 35's and zero offset wheel. To be honest I proly would have had to add the bumpstops even with 35mm offset wheel if I didn't want to rub at all. Granted the rubbing in the rear inner fender does not appear to cause damage just can be loud while offroad. Anyway love all the discussions about what works and was doesn't, this is what makes forums great!

 

[kreiten]

Totally agree lots of ways to skin a cat. Glad we're discovering more ways to do it too as I think the cruisers wear 35s well. And performs even better. Smaller body Tacoma's, 4Rs, and GXs have figured out the recipe to do it all day long. Frankly we've been too conservative collectively with tire sizes, especially when tires are the single most beneficial upgrade.

While there are multiple says to do it, it's also good to understand some compromises. We've known for awhile that pulling wheels forward with the UCA can be done to an extent, with a threshold that then potentially risks CVs. We're seeing more aggressive droop travel suspensions, that may risks CVs, potentially even more when pulling alignment forward. Offsets help with KDSS, but then it create fender clearance issues, necessitating limiting of travel. Or geometry trades. I think mild body mount lifts may be more prolific soon as that's always been an ingredient to the big tires, seldom used on 200s. Narrows work to avoid clearance issues, but trade some access to full size floatation sizes that tend to be the most aggressive tire with their own benefits. Then even more extreme with bracket lifts from several members.

Great to see it all, including your build @kreiten , as it continues to be an exciting time for cruisers.

for anyone thinking about going to 35's I think you nailed it "compromises" that's what it's all about. You can run 35's all day long, but you will have trade offs forsure. I've had people say why not just run a 285 or 33 on your 100, do you really need that extra inch of tire. And for me yes the compromise to have to increase my front bump stops by half inch and the rear by 1.5 inches in my 100 to gain an inch of actual lift with the tire is worth it. For some it won't be, I totally get it. When I ran the Rubicon in my 100 the difference between 35's and 33's I believe was the difference between being able to drive the entire trail as opposed to having to be winched through it at times. So for me the compromises to run 35's on all my rigs is worth the tradeoffs and mods that come with it at this point in my life and with the trails I am running these days. Just my 2 cents.

 

[TeCKis300]

Love the pic of your daughter. Start them early, and teach them about the merits of 35s!

 

[kreiten]

And my other daughter Em has 35's in the skinny flavor on her rig also! 35's in the house!

 

[kreiten]

35's tucking in a 100 a bit with zero offset wheel, will they tuck a bit in a 200, we'll know soon

 

[MTKID]

What’s your first trail you plan to run after the new tires?

 

[kreiten]

What’s your first trail you plan to run after the new tires?

Just gonna run Tahuya, a local trail just 25 minutes from my house. It's a chill trail but has lots of flexy spots , we call the below section the "Tank Traps", if ya rub you will find out quick

 

[tbisaacs]

Just gonna run Tahuya, a local trail just 25 minutes from my house. It's a chill trail but has lots of flexy spots , we call the below section the "Tank Traps", if ya rub you will find out quick

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[timjax]

@kreiten from eyeballing, do you think a narrower 35 could avoid a BMC with 0 offset? For example the one inch narrower 285/75R18 and 35x11.5R17? I believe the two inch narrower 35x10.5R17 has already been confirmed to fit with just a lift/UCA and some massaging/trimming.

Also, did you do any alignment or caster changes to get the 35's to fit?

Trying to figure out the easiest way to run 35's without KDSS relo, BMC, crazy trimming or caster, etc.

Love to see people on here pushing the boundaries.

 

[tbisaacs]

Trying to figure out the easiest way to run 35's without KDSS relo, BMC, crazy trimming or caster, etc.

Lol there is no free ride. Run a 34 like the rest of us pleebs and be happy.

 

[kreiten]

@kreiten from eyeballing, do you think a narrower 35 could avoid a BMC with 0 offset? For example the one inch narrower 285/75R18 and 35x11.5R17? I believe the two inch narrower 35x10.5R17 has already been confirmed to fit with just a lift/UCA and some massaging/trimming.

Also, did you do any alignment or caster changes to get the 35's to fit?

Trying to figure out the easiest way to run 35's without KDSS relo, BMC, crazy trimming or caster, etc.

Love to see people on here pushing the boundaries.

I didn't do an alignment to make the 35's fit but I've had alignments done in the past to push the wheel/tire forward a bit just so my 34's with 20mm offset wheels didn't rub, so proly safe to say it's pushed forward just a notch from norm. My best guess is any 35 with zero offset is gonna require some amount of chopping of the body mount, just don't see anyway around that, just my 2 cents.

 

[kreiten]

@kreiten from eyeballing, do you think a narrower 35 could avoid a BMC with 0 offset? For example the one inch narrower 285/75R18 and 35x11.5R17? I believe the two inch narrower 35x10.5R17 has already been confirmed to fit with just a lift/UCA and some massaging/trimming.

Also, did you do any alignment or caster changes to get the 35's to fit?

Trying to figure out the easiest way to run 35's without KDSS relo, BMC, crazy trimming or caster, etc.

Love to see people on here pushing the boundaries.

I'm sure everyone already knows this but the BMC is not a major undertaking, takes about an hour, just cut a little bit of metal out and weld on a new plate, that's it, easy peasy!

 

[timjax]

Lol there is no free ride. Run a 34 like the rest of us pleebs and be happy.

Haha this has me too optimistic:

Builds - Drftsub's Cruiser Build Thread

Hey all, may as well start this. A little while back I decided that I was going to sell off our rather built long travel 07 Tacoma crew cab long bed and move V8 and shorter wheelbase. We were at a point that I was either going to spend a significant amount of money making the Tacoma more "EAF"...

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0 offset, skinny 35x10.5 - just lift, UCA's, trimming/molding. No BMC or KDSS relo.


I think I'd be down for a BMC. KDSS relo seems like it's going to accelerate wear on other components. Don't want to do crazy caster and blow CV's either.

 

[kreiten]

Installed the Timbren rear bumpstops last night, these are a progressive bump stop that will help control the rear axle and avoid harsh bottom outs etc.. I'll give these a try and see how they work out, I know a lot of the 200 guys on 35's already run these and have good things to say about them...

Timbren SES Helper Spring Kit - 200 Series Land Cruiser / LX 570 - Rear - Slee Off Road

Eliminate Vehicle Squatting & Sagging Cushion Road Shocks Improve Handling Satisfaction Guarantee Lifetime Warranty

sleeoffroad.com

 

[kreiten]

another option for rear bumpstops I'm going to try out at some point are these ones by Timbren. I'll compare the 2 and decide which one's work best for my setup.

Timbren Active Off-Road - Bump Stop Kit - 200 Series Land Cruiser / LX 570 - Slee Off Road

Maintain Full Axle Travel Smooth Axle Engagement and Disengagement Enhance Suspension Performance Progressive Spring Rate Absorbs Energy and Cushions Road Shocks Stronger Than OEM Bumpstops Easy Installation Satisfaction Guarantee Lifetime Warranty

sleeoffroad.com

 

[kreiten]

Had a chance yesterday to take me rig on the hwy for a couple hours, back country roads etc.. So after about 3 hours of seat time what did I notice about going from 34 inch BFG KM2's on 20mm offset wheels to a Goodyear 35x12.50 on a zero offset wheel, my experience and my wife's is the vehicle drove better! Not leaps and bounds difference to be honest, but it def drove better in our opinion. My 2 cents should you do gears at 35's, yes, but I also believe gears are needed at 34's so no difference there IMO.

 

[timjax]

Also the folks at LRA distribute a tire carrier ONLY option from Kaymar: https://longrangeamerica.com/fact-sheets/bars/KAYMARLC200SeriesTireCarrierINFO.pdf

Just saw a pic of that on Facebook. Seems decent if no plans for a rear bumper. Lot cleaner than a Wilco swingout too. Any luck squeezing a 35 underneath @kreiten ?

 

[kreiten]

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Just saw a pic of that on Facebook. Seems decent if no plans for a rear bumper. Lot cleaner than a Wilco swingout too. Any luck squeezing a 35 underneath @kreiten ?

haven't had a chance to try to squeeze it under there yet, been working on my 80 alot over the past week. TJM bumper for the 200 comes in this week, along with new radiator, brakes etc.. 200 will be getting some more love soon!

 

[kreiten]

ok so lots of stuff going on since I last posted... Ended up doing a KDSS relo kit just to give myself a bit more room up front and be able to get the wheel/tires right where I want them on alignment. The Ironman front coilovers with the HD springs took longer than anticipated(I have them now and will install in a week or so) but I really wanted to test the rig out with the zero offset, 35's and Timbrens and see where I'm at. Took the rig on Fins & Thangs, Chicken s*** corners for a high speed run and then also Steel Bender. I had very minimal rubbing(about the same as my 34's) For me the 35's were a game changer, loving this setup!!!

 

[kreiten]

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