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Cruiserdrew said:
What is the cost comparison between this ladder thingie, and say a sub tank? I'm thinking a subtank would be cheaper, the engineering is already done by Toyota, and if you just have to have a rear ladder it could be smaller and less bulky. I also know that it isn't hard to scramble up onto the roof rack just using the bumper and spare tire. I've done that many times.
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Ok...now that Andy has broached the subject I'll cast my vote for somebody importing/sourcing 105/100 dual filler necks and a aux tank "kit". Ideally for me 15-20 gallons would be ideal or whatever capacity for maximum gallons without hanging down.

Just what you need huh Christo...more ideas :D!
 
Cruiserdrew said:
What is the cost comparison between this ladder thingie, and say a sub tank? I'm thinking a subtank would be cheaper, the engineering is already done by Toyota, and if you just have to have a rear ladder it could be smaller and less bulky. I also know that it isn't hard to scramble up onto the roof rack just using the bumper and spare tire. I've done that many times.
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Subtanks is not an option on later 100 series due to the charcoal canister that is located where the tank goes. We are not prepared to relocate the charcoal canister due to emissions issues. So for those people the gas on the roof rack or bumper is the only option.

To be honest I am not a big fan of hanging the whole house on the back of the truck, but we do get a lot of requests for it.

Cost wise this will be a much cheaper add on than installing a 2nd gas tank properly, especially on the 100. The 100 is not a transfer system like the 80, it is a dual system where you run from one tank or the other. You can make it a transfer system, but the problem is that the sender does not have a empty signal, so you can not shut the pump of automatically. I am really trying to make a jerry can holder and essentially get the ladder for free or next to nothing. I know there are simpler options and make just a basket, but I feel those will come later or people will do that themselves. We still deal with a lot of people in the 100 market that are not home fabricators or do not have access to the tools. They want to buy a ready solution out of the box.

The reason you brought up is exactly why this is being done for the 100 first and not the 80. With the 80 I feel the sub tank is the way to go.
 
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sleeoffroad said:
Subtanks is not an option on later 100 series due to the charcoal canister that is located where the tank goes. We are not prepared to relocate the charcoal canister due to emissions issues. So for those people the gas on the roof rack or bumper is the only option.

To be honest I am not a big fan of hanging the whole house on the back of the truck, but we do get a lot of requests for it.
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Crap! You can't do a sub-tank on a 2006 without messing with emmision? What year did they start putting it there.
 
sleeoffroad said:
Subtanks is not an option on later 100 series due to the charcoal canister that is located where the tank goes. We are not prepared to relocate the charcoal canister due to emissions issues. So for those people the gas on the roof rack or bumper is the only option.

To be honest I am not a big fan of hanging the whole house on the back of the truck, but we do get a lot of requests for it.

Cost wise this will be a much cheaper add on than installing a 2nd gas tank properly, especially on the 100. The 100 is not a transfer system like the 80, it is a dual system where you run from one tank or the other. You can make it a transfer system, but the problem is that the sender does not have a empty signal, so you can not shut the pump of automatically. I am really trying to make a jerry can holder and essentially get the ladder for free or next to nothing. I know there are simpler options and make just a basket, but I feel those will come later or people will do that themselves. We still deal with a lot of people in the 100 market that are not home fabricators or do not have access to the tools. They want to buy a ready solution out of the box.

The reason you brought up is exactly why this is being done for the 100 first and not the 80. With the 80 I feel the sub tank is the way to go.
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Understood. I was just demonstrating my ignorance of the 100 series emissions set up. That's too bad, because the sub-tank has become on of my favorite mods. Is it that hard to relocate the cannister?

Sorry about the off topic. I totally understand about 100 series owners wanting a high class bolt on solution to go with their standard poodles. (Private joke for the Dans).

Your fab guys are doing great work, I just think the 100 is a nice looking truck, and this can carrier design seems out of character to me. I'm sure powdercoated and in real life, it will be a thing of beauty. Maybe mount a .50 cal on the top rung.:hillbilly:

Still, it's admirable getting customer feedback before the production of a product. More companies should do business this way.
 
'03 has the canister also. Uses up just about 1/2 the space over the tire on the DS.
 
CrusrDug said:
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Christo,

To address the bulk, maybe you can design a flip down step that would actually cross as a panel (when up) to hold the jerry cans in.
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I am trying to stay away from moving parts as much as we can. That always adds cost and complexity. However that is something we are looking into.

Hoser, I have not seen a tank that will work with the canister in place. Do you know of one. I have one customer that desperately wants a tank.

Andrew, I am sure the canister can be moved, but I am not going to do it on a customers truck that is out of state. They might end up with emissions related issues etc, and that will be pain to deal with. The canister has both hard and soft lines, so it is not trivial to be moved, but anything is possible.
 
Cruiserdrew said:
Understood. I was just demonstrating my ignorance of the 100 series emissions set up. That's too bad, because the sub-tank has become on of my favorite mods. Is it that hard to relocate the cannister?

Sorry about the off topic. I totally understand about 100 series owners wanting a high class bolt on solution to go with their standard poodles. (Private joke for the Dans).

Your fab guys are doing great work, I just think the 100 is a nice looking truck, and this can carrier design seems out of character to me. I'm sure powdercoated and in real life, it will be a thing of beauty. Maybe mount a .50 cal on the top rung.:hillbilly:

Still, it's admirable getting customer feedback before the production of a product. More companies should do business this way.
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Hey...I resemble that remark :D
LC & Rhone.webp
 
sleeoffroad said:
I am really trying to make a jerry can holder and essentially get the ladder for free or next to nothing. I know there are simpler options and make just a basket, but I feel those will come later or people will do that themselves. We still deal with a lot of people in the 100 market that are not home fabricators or do not have access to the tools. They want to buy a ready solution out of the box.
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I still think a much easier design for both could easily cover all those requirements, while being more "in line" with the look of the rest of the bar as well.
 
Well my honest opinion is that it is ugly.... that's my own opinion however. I think it looks very bulky, too much sheet steel.... Always nice to see new ideas being put out though.
 
sleeoffroad said:
Hoser, I have not seen a tank that will work with the canister in place. Do you know of one. I have one customer that desperately wants a tank.
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No, I have not seen an aux tank specifically built with the canister in mind.

However, when I installed mine, it looks like the tank itself could be mounted 2" lower than where it is just buy drilling the holes into the frame/crossmember lower. There was also a 1-1.5" gap above the tank. So, depending on how tall the canister is, it might be able to work. The only problems I see are the exhaust can would need to be dropped 2" and the filler tube/hose would need to be addressed.

I would contact LRA and Out of Town 4WD and ask them. Are we the only ones who received the relocated canister?
 
Cruiserdrew said:
.... I also know that it isn't hard to scramble up onto the roof rack just using the bumper and spare tire. I've done that many times.
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If I remember right your a bit taller than the average guy.

I don't have any problems reaching up on the roof from the sliders or standing on the rear tires. But I can see where a lot of people might need the extra reach.
 
Christo,

I wouldn't mind seeing a picture with the tire carrier on the bumper w/tire on it and the Ladder/jerry can holder. This may give a better overall picture of what it would look like as a complete package. I think most people think the ladder looks bulky when presented by its self. When you have it all together it may look different or at least give folks a better idea of what it would look like all together.

Just a suggestion.

Zane
 
We are reworking the design to have the top carrier tilted to the vehicle, but still have it as a single part that can be stacked. We are going to remove some of the material around the handles, or possibly do a small tube where the handle is currently.

For comparison, here is a Scepter can shown sticking out backwards. It sticks out more than the carrier. and then you still have to do a ladder. It is certainly possible to do, but the leverage force on the swingout arm is a lot of you go out that far and you want to hang a 250 guy off that.

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Here is a tire held up next to it. We do not have the swingout changes on that side to accomodate the tire, so we just held it up there. That is a 285/75/16 Tire.

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Here is the prototype strap for holding the can in. The strap uses E-Track fittings to attach to the holder.
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Woof, and I don't mean the poodles. There's got to be a cleaner way to do this. Those steps are enormous for the intended purpose, a bit over-engineered. A minimalist look would be my preference. I'd like to see the steps replaced with thin metal straps to contain the jerry cans, with the straps bent out for small steps. The side plates could be much narrower and cleaner.

The strap/steps could be 1/4x1" hot-rolled, thin edge up. Run them across the jerry cans, and bend them in along the side plates for welding. To make the straps work as steps, bend them out away from the jerry cans about 4" on the far right 4", then in across the side plate for welding. That would give 4x4" of step, plenty. It should easily hold a big guy's weight. Alternating sides might be nice, but not necessary. The top platform could be thinned a bit as well. If I had some dimensions I could draw something up. Unfortunately, I'm an AutoCAD guy. My shop is just starting to switch to SolidWorks, and now that I'm management I'll probably not get proficient in 3D.
 
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