Heh, I never considered need, I just want all this stuff!
Jerry Can Ladder Thingymabob feedback needed
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Heh, I never considered need, I just want all this stuff!
fair enough.
Hope I'm not coming out negative here. Just curious and pondering...
Anyway, it's great that Christo is working on something, even better he's asking for feedback. All for the better. More toys on the horizon. And it's great he's taking the lead on this.
OK, I went to the garage to see for myself (this is the Kaymar on my 80):
first try
- right foot on bumper in the middle
- left foot on top of jerrycan
- right foot on top of tire
- step up on roof rack....
that's it...! 1
moral of the experiment: I don't need a full ladder, at the most one or 2 convenient footholds at the right place (for when I get real old
moral of the moral: I'd suggest that the can/cooler holder should drive the design, not the ladder
It's true! I captured pictures of the whole thing!
This design holds 2 jerries, and has a ladder on spare, which can also fold down to become rubbish bag holder, or dirty recovery bag holder, or option 2 having the ladder section similar to the current design but down the side of the carrier to limit leverage on the carrier arm.
The best part of the 2 can lower design is that it doesnt limit vision out the rear either.
Here is a pic of some of what people do with kaymars here, inc with lpg bottle, having a folding tray section the cooker can sit on at ther back of the car, so set up to boil the billy for lunch/smoko is easy while on the road.
Christo, one suggestion from me, I'm not as concerned with the carrier design, I know whatever you come up with will be functional and strong, but when you get ready to do the dual pivot bumper, any way you could redesign the rear face to eliminate the tow hitch? That way, I'm hoping you could tuck the rear face back in tight against the rear crossmember of the truck. That's the one (minor) aesthetic complaint I have about your current otherwise excellent design, I think it sticks out too far in the rear. I know you shaped it to the departure line, but I'd just rather not have it sticking out there. If I want to tow, I'll use a separate rated hitch anyway.
My $0.02,
My $0.02,
Christo, Looks good to me as is. I think 1-2 cans is enough. If it were me it would be one can gas one can water. I think CO and UT residents are are more concerned with departure angle that most people. It looks big in the photo. But so does that 285. I'd like to see a cooler carrier/LP tank holder. Also add a beer opener.
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I wouldn't discount the NV, AZ, CA, etc. folks on the departure angle. Washes with sharp approach/departure angles, even on easy gravel roads, are common all over the SW.
Hmmm...maybe I should go out and snap a couple pics of the scraped wings and hitch on my Slee to vouch for your comment
. Although its better with the 35", BL & lift I still drag the R, L & Center now and then.
Hmmm...maybe I should go out and snap a couple pics of the scraped wings and hitch on my Slee to vouch for your comment
Those are from speed bumps at the mall.
It's functional and I don't care if its pretty.
I could bolt all sorts of crap to that thing too.
The only weakness I perceive is laying cans on their sides. The quality of the Scepter cans and Wedco cans is so high, I doubt leaking is an issue. The issue I see is many people use a super siphon to get the gas from the can to the tank instead of removing them from the carrier. I'm not sure how easy this would be if the cans are on their side.
I could bolt all sorts of crap to that thing too.
The only weakness I perceive is laying cans on their sides. The quality of the Scepter cans and Wedco cans is so high, I doubt leaking is an issue. The issue I see is many people use a super siphon to get the gas from the can to the tank instead of removing them from the carrier. I'm not sure how easy this would be if the cans are on their side.
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Derek, the face of the bumper was not made like that to accommodate the receiver but rather the tire carrier. If you do not come out like that, the carriers run into the hatch.
I know it can be tucked in more but I do not like the way the tire carrier has to be made then. You have to essentially stick the tire mount part backwards to clear the hatch. To much leverage on the mounting system for both the tire to the swing arm and pivot. Sorry for now the For now the bumper is going to stay the way it is.
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All good ideas, but re: the visibility, yes that is better but what about all the stuff inside the truck
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That is what I thought.
Don't most people keep the cans on the side on the roof as well? The design can be made to put it upright, but then the whole thing becomes taller.
I am going to change direction and start work on the tire carrier side. Once I get that done, I will change back to this side. I want to get the bumper into production. What is a given is that the 2nd tire carrier will have a mounting flange that different attachments can be made. Maybe I will make a 3 can/cooler box basket first and see how it goes.
I have another idea for a ladder, but I need to see how that works first.
I don't see many peeps with 60s or 80s or 100s with the cooler up on the rack or bumper. With all that cargo space it's pretty easy to keep it inside and put soft stuff like tents and bags on top. Fuel cans on the outside for leaks and odor.
I understand customers are asking for a ladder and it must just be for appearance sake. If it helps the bumper sell you've got to do it, it's just not a practical solution for me. How about a treadplate foot pad next to the can holders and one more on top of the holders, just a couple places to stand rather than a full on ladder. Cans would go in sideways, little lip around the sides and a tie down like you've got.
I understand customers are asking for a ladder and it must just be for appearance sake. If it helps the bumper sell you've got to do it, it's just not a practical solution for me. How about a treadplate foot pad next to the can holders and one more on top of the holders, just a couple places to stand rather than a full on ladder. Cans would go in sideways, little lip around the sides and a tie down like you've got.
Thingamajiggy comment
Personally, I like the 2-can minimum, with the LPG tank attachment. As for aesthetics (had to look up that spelling
), I agree that it is very industrial looking, but so are the other pics of similar items. Once power coated and painted, it may down-play this (less of a naturalistic welded look). As for functionality, the one thing that keeps coming to mind is if you could make the mount in such a manner as to be able to rotate 180 deg. the same part allowing it to mount on either side of the bumper. The associated thought with that is if you could do the same with the tire mount, allowing the end user to pick which side actually holds either the spare or the cans. The idea around this would be allowing the customers to start with the basic bumper, and then adding either the spare swing out or the can / ladder swing out, at a later, more cash-friendly time frame. From a manufacturing point of view, the more that you mirror the entire bumper from side to side, the easier it will be to create. (This is not to say that this has not crossed your mind. Overall, I am looking forward to being able to purchase your bumper, with both swing outs. We have 4 kids that we take, so keeping the interior for personal space is a premium priority, over all-out storage.) The other, I know it was mentioned earlier, is weight. I would be interested in how much to total package ends up weighing. These are my thoughts. I hope it helps.
Personally, I like the 2-can minimum, with the LPG tank attachment. As for aesthetics (had to look up that spelling
), I agree that it is very industrial looking, but so are the other pics of similar items. Once power coated and painted, it may down-play this (less of a naturalistic welded look). As for functionality, the one thing that keeps coming to mind is if you could make the mount in such a manner as to be able to rotate 180 deg. the same part allowing it to mount on either side of the bumper. The associated thought with that is if you could do the same with the tire mount, allowing the end user to pick which side actually holds either the spare or the cans. The idea around this would be allowing the customers to start with the basic bumper, and then adding either the spare swing out or the can / ladder swing out, at a later, more cash-friendly time frame. From a manufacturing point of view, the more that you mirror the entire bumper from side to side, the easier it will be to create. (This is not to say that this has not crossed your mind. Overall, I am looking forward to being able to purchase your bumper, with both swing outs. We have 4 kids that we take, so keeping the interior for personal space is a premium priority, over all-out storage.) The other, I know it was mentioned earlier, is weight. I would be interested in how much to total package ends up weighing. These are my thoughts. I hope it helps.
Gotcha. But if you're going to two shorter arms for a dual pivot, would there be a bit less weight and leverage on each individual pivot?
I guess the alternative to get it tucked in is to go the 4x4Labs approach, but that requires cutting off the rear crossmember to get it tucked in, which at least for me is not optimal either.
Oh well, just rambling here...
I don't see the leverage on the spindle as being a big issue. The swingout arm should ideally be resting down on a shelf of some sort (rubber, teflon etc) to lock it in place and take the weight of the tire etc rather than float on mid air. And these things and bearings are tough anyway.
I agree on locking it to a rest when closed. I think what Christo is saying is that, in order to clear the hatch when the carrier is closed, then the tire/can mount has to be set back of the centerline of the carrier arm (viewed from the side of the truck) if the bumper shelf is brought back in closer to the body. Personally, I only feel this is an issue if you drive the thing with the arm unlocked and open, which, of course, no one would do. Just my $0.02...
I like the theory behind it. But like others have already mentioned, it's a bit bulky, even with the spare tire.
My suggestions,
Keep the steps the same or similar
Reduce the material for the handles a lot, or reduce the number of handles (less bulk)
Allow function of the cans in their stored location
Conform to the rear hatch a little more
Make some sort of drop down/fold out table
ie.
My suggestions,
Keep the steps the same or similar
Reduce the material for the handles a lot, or reduce the number of handles (less bulk)
Allow function of the cans in their stored location
Conform to the rear hatch a little more
Make some sort of drop down/fold out table
ie.
All good ideas, but re: the visibility, yes that is better but what about all the stuff inside the truck
the truck isnt full "every" time you drive it, but the can holders will be on most times