How rare is it to find a 80 series LC with factory lockers?

[Bigsky80]

I don't have lockers on any of my cruisers. Living in Florida I don't need them. Wheeling throughout the US I haven't missed them. Though i don't do the hard core wheeling that many others do where lockers are required.

I wish I had them because I don't have them.

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There have been a couple of times in the snow where I feel they would have been nice. However, my unlocked cruiser has always taken me where I wanted to go and back out when I was done.

 

[toyotaspeed90]

Btw how have you never needed lockers? Do you stay on fire roads?

For us, yeah.... "snow" and ice on our steep, windy 1 lane roads that everyone attempts to drive on that shouldn't and only exacerbates the problem - especially in the off camber areas where there is a common side of spinning tires and increased ice sickness.

 

[Rwhat]

So an axle failure is due to the locker s***ting the bed? I'd say you have that ass about.

As said, nothing is fool proof. There's been ARBs destroyed by busted shafts too.

For my needs, the OEM lockers have been awesome. I'm aware of their shortcomings, and I'm unlikely to bust or twist an axle.
I actually have a replacement 3rd with ARB in it waiting to swap in to my 105. My retrofitted oem locked rear needed a rebuild, an ARB locked 3rd came up at a price a lot less than rebuilding the OEM locked 3rd.

I think what he is referring to is twisting the axle shaft so the collar will not unlock due to twisted splines. Down side of factory rear elocker.

 

[Broski]

If you don't need lockers then your not hitting the hard trails. The axles should be shortened for hard core wheeling.
Costa Fab has a ket he working on to convert the factory locker to a air lockers.
The kind of wheeling I do I use the lockers all the time

 

[richardlillard1]

Why would you shorten them? Just shave the splines which can cause problems.

It still isn't a common problem, though.

 

[Broski]

Either way works you just cut the last bet off same as removing the splines

 

[maxamillion2345]

Either way you're screwed when you twist the shaft and your locker gets stuck. ARBs have their shortcomings but failure with shaft breakage is not common at all. Most of the arbs shortcomings can be easily fixed. All i'm saying if faced with multiple options in buying an 80 series of similarity, why pay a premium for inferior lockers? Just buy ARBs.

 

[Broski]

No when you twist a stock shaft it won't come out of the locker. If you cut it down so it does't go past fullengatement it will pull right out, end of problem cut the splines should do the same thing. the locker does not get stuck when you twist a shaft, the shaft get stuck in the locker witch makes it impossible to get the third member out tell you get the axle removed.

 

[maxamillion2345]

Which is my point. But okay, thats one solution to the stock elockers. But again why pay more for stock lockers? Especially if you have to deal with getting the actuators working.

 

[Broski]

I not saying ARB are no good they are but they are expensive to. I found my locked clean unmolested mall crawler for 3200.oo so if you ask me I got my lockers for free with working actuators in the two years I have owned it I have not had a problem with them. Stoked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[maxamillion2345]

I not saying ARB are no good they are but they are expensive to. I found my locked clean unmolested mall crawler for 3200.oo so if you ask me I got my lockers for free with working actuators in the two years I have owned it I have not had a problem with them. Stoked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Definitely a smoking deal and I totally agree but seems like lots of dudes are finding locked rigs for around the 10k range. I'm just saying if given two 80s to buy in the same shape and one is locked but double the money... I'm not sure how rare they are but they seem to command a premium around here and at that point I'd buy a non locked 80 and throw lockers at it if thats what I really wanted. Or hold off for a deal like yours but Ive been led to beleive deals like yours are few and far between.

 

[Hornd]

Winch, Rockers, and Aussie Locker over Factory Lockers, but I would not turn them down.

 

[nigelsiam]

I have had both and except for 1 time having to replace a sensor the locked rig was just amazing! For me it gives me more confidence when hitting the rougher trails.

 

[Broski]

It does seem that the prices have gone the the roof lately.

 

[Broski]

my bad

 

[Dragos80]

I have an 1995 LC with factory lockers and just wanted to know if finding them are hard or rare.

I found one inside my garage. I guess it's not hard to find one at all.

 

[Dragos80]

Having said that, I've had my 92 for 25 years and never felt I NEEDED lockers...

Well, you never had an engine in that car and never felt the need for one either.

 

[inkpot]

Gee, kids, are we just a wee bit off topic??? The OP asked if OEM lockers are rare?? Did not ask for opinions, experiences, or options. Those topics have already been beat to death!!

 

[toyotaspeed90]

funny thing is i wanted one unlocked and all i could find was factory locked trucks. i feel its maybe 20% or more. they sure want more for them, can add lockers for less than the locker premium around here.

This thread has been in the back of my mind as I am trying to sell my locked 93 and wondering if the "premium" I've set on it is too high or not.

Can't speak for your area, but I'm wondering what the "premium" is between very comparable vehicles in mileage/condition with and without lockers?

I was curious about the cost of ARB lockers, I'm sure prices vary, but Google yielded a cost of around $900 per axle for the locker. If someone doesn't know or can't do the work, I factor $500 per axle to install (around 4 hours per axle install at $125/hour, I assume that's reasonable). The cost for that jumps to $2800 for ARB lockers and install.

Is that way off from the premium you're seeing in your area for comparable vehicle's?


I am intrigued..... something similar happens in the MR2 world - an 88-89 supercharged factory car is somewhat hard to find, to build an NA car into an SC car is usually cheaper than buying a factory car - that's largely because the SC owners "know" what they have and drive the market, and while there are tons of NA owners who "know" what they have, the market prices are influenced much lower by the NA owners who don't give 2 s***s about it being an MR2 and just see a 150k or 200k mile 30 year old car.

I'm making the parallel because you can find dirt cheap (generally not well maintained) 80 series, and then you find those 3-5x more expensive.... you don't see that with 60 series because primarily those who just had one as a vehicle and offloaded it cheap are diminishing..... the 80 series is sort of in that weird age....

 

[ZackR]

I would have liked to have found a factory locked 80 when I was searching but the unlocked one I ended up with was much nicer overall for a better price. At the time (2015) it seemed like the premium was about $4k for factory locked versions which didn't make sense to me on a $5k purchase price.

I'm sure someone out there has the actual production numbers showing locked vs unlocked....