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What is with all this second guessing Toyota engineers and proven test results?

Can you provide those "proven test results"? To support that 5W30 is the best viscosity for all climates.

I think it's unlikely that the 5W30 recommendation came from Toyota engineers in a vacuum. It was more likely a corporate decision based on a number of complex and often conflicting corporate issues - like the desire to sell the most fuel efficient vehicles, to avoid / minimize CAFE fines, and to have a simple and easily understood oil recommendation. I think if it was a pure engineering decision they would still have an old style ambient temperature chart to allow for the difference between Alaska and Arizona. That seems more like the kind of thing engineers would do if left alone.
 
MOTOR OIL ENGINEERING TEST DATA

The above link has provided me with test results I have been looking for for a long time. It’s a long but excellent read. I like to have performance numbers so I can put the best oil in my engine for the conditions it will see. I urge anyone to take the time to read it, it’s worth it.

I also, enjoy a good debate about facts but not hear say.
 
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Update! I did infact change out my less than 1000 mile M1 5w 30 synthetic oil for Rotella 5w40. First concern, the oil was as black as a thousand midnights. Normal? Maybe after 10k but to me I didn’t expect it within 1k. Second, my oil gauge only raised about 1/4 mark to the 1/2 mark. Think I’m going to look into a new sender anyway. However, it was 104 here yesterday and I had to go to driving to and through a new frac sand mining plant about 20 miles away for around two hours. Truck never stopped. AC on high and I never heard a whimper from her. Granted Im Sure new oil will probably work the same no matter what the mix within 24 hours, but I can say I couldn’t help but feel the truck felt a little different,for the better with the thicker oil in the blazing West Texas Heat. I’m a change it every 5k guy, so I’ll report back with any more notes but for now.... I think I like it.
 
MOTOR OIL ENGINEERING TEST DATA

The above link has provided me with test results I have been looking for for a long time. It’s a long but excellent read. I like to have performance numbers so I can put the best oil in my engine for the conditions it will see. I urge anyone to take the time to read it, it’s worth it.

I also, enjoy a good debate about facts but not hear say.

I apparently misunderstood your point. I thought you were saying that we should all, Alaska and Arizona, stick with 5W30, for all seasons, because the Toyota engineers said so, and that there were proven test results to support them. The link you provided doesn't support that point, it very much undermines it.
 
It provides us with data to compare oils to each other as to how well they prevent wear. And how temps affect that wear protection.

I am not recommending any oil to anyone. I simply want to share what I found to be the best information on oil. Not simply the “GOSPEL” flowing freely on the internet, which usually turns out to be BS.
 
This is interesting from the link above:

• Thinner oil also flows more at normal operating temperatures. And oil FLOW is lubrication, but oil pressure is NOT lubrication. Oil pressure is only a measurement of resistance to flow. Running thicker oil just to up the oil pressure is the wrong thing to do, because that only reduces oil flow/lubrication. Oil pressure in and of itself, is NOT what we are after.
 
BINGO!
Factory spec of 4.2 psig at hot idle will not allow the crank and rod bearings to destroy themselves since liquid is not compressible, AND still have plenty of flow to keep those components cool.
 
Some people put way too much thought into motor oil. I say this as a stereotypical engineer who is normally pedantic about details.

Keep the motor at the proper level of synthetic oil, or a little over the full mark. 5-30, 10-30, 0-30, 0-40 should all be perfectly fine in all but the most extreme US climates. Heavier oils can help lubricate a worn engine, but they can also create excessive pressure (restriction to flow) and starve bearings during cold starts on a good engine. In reality, a 10-60 would probably still be fine (though I would never run it in a stock 2UZ).

Higher oil pressure is not necessarily a good thing. Low oil pressure indicated on the OEM dash is not blindly a bad thing. If you're concerned about your oil pressure, measure it with a test gauge. OEM gauges are near worthless for precise measurement.

Oil color is virtually meaningless. If anything, it may point to filtration performance more than oil. You need a lab analysis.

The Toyota sludge lawsuit primarily deals with people who were confused by warranty and maintenance agreements and flat out didn't change the oil (though some claim they did, but lost receipts). The consumer affairs article on it even states Toyota and Lexus engines are not predisposed to sludge formation - no engineering fault identified. As with floormat debacle, it's another case of clueless customers blaming a big corporation for personal problems.

If you're concerned about your oil, run a few Blackstone Lab tests. Anything else is a waste of breathe, IMO.

*Also, I'll add that I run 10-15k oil change intervals (filter at 6 months), even under severe conditions and I use 0-40 Castrol Edge or whatever good 5-30 synthetic is on sale and in stock. I do this both on my Land Crusier and modified Supra. I've got 150k+ miles of trouble free driving. The most important thing about engine oil is to simply have some in the sump that isn't too old (maybe 5-7k for dino oil, 10-20k for modern synthetics).
 
Did my first oil change this weekend and what came out was black non synthetic. Filled with M1 5w30 like i run in everything else I own with a M1 filter.

Drove a day or so and went to check it last night and found i left my oil filler cap off, oops. Thats a first time for me. I was pleasantly surprised oil didnt spew everywhere.

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So @Robinson13 had me thinking, so I did some quick research after work today.

Combustion temps of a gasoline engine average 1300*F, a Diesel engine combustion temps average 1200*F.
Internal combustion engines - Wikiversity

Connecting rod pressures on a normal gasoline engine are 6,000psi, a high performance gasoline engine upto 10,000psi.
A normal Diesel engine starts at 8,500psi and just goes up from there depending on size of engine and load and going as high as 20,000psi.
Engine Bearings Under Pressure - Engine Builder Magazine

Typical connecting rod and motor oil temp is 212*F, high load can raise it to 305*F.
http://extras.springer.com/2016/978-3-7091-1858-0/Chapter 16_Cranktrain_2015-08-04 (1).pdf

And the effects of low viscosity oils on bearings.
Effect of low viscosity oils on engine bearings [SubsTech]

And this is a BLOG, a BLOG is someone's opinion.
MOTOR OIL ENGINEERING TEST DATA

Engineers are weird yet cool people, a friend of mine designed the packaging for Dell computers, he said of the $600 you spent on a new desktop (this was many years ago) only $100 of it was on the actual computer, the rest was for packaging. You could drop it from 6ft and the computer would still be fine.
Now I would not recommend anyone try this, but he said it was all designed to prevent damage during shipment.
 
Did my first oil change this weekend and what came out was black non synthetic. Filled with M1 5w30 like i run in everything else I own with a M1 filter.

Drove a day or so and went to check it last night and found i left my oil filler cap off, oops. Thats a first time for me. I was pleasantly surprised oil didnt spew everywhere.

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You'd be surprised at how little oil you'll loose leaving the fill cap off.
There is usually a splash guard inside the valve cover to prevent oil loss in just such an event.
 
I use high mileage, 5/30 full synth extended life oil and the M1-209 Filter. And yes, I actually run it 10k miles- change the oil (not the filter) run another 10k, then change both- rinse and repeat. The oil never seems burnt or overly dirty and the engine sounds like a sewing machine. I cut open one of those filters as well once and it was dirty, but not overly so. I think these engines are so solid, I could probably get 20k from the oil and be perfectly OK (extended life oil) but I change it at 10k just in case.

I think the additives in the high mileage oil will help keep seals supple, and keep sludge from building up by breaking it down SLOWLY as promised. I'm at 240k miles and I will continue using HM oil on any vehicle with over 200k miles with no worries.
 
Regarding the less expensive SuperTech oil I use, I have another little nugget for the....OCDless operation manual..... I have no idea what mileage interval I'm experiencing between changes. When it gets pretty dirty, I change it. Funny how the most reliable machine made is rather cheap to own.
 

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