Any chance the TX 550h+ engine could make its way to the GX? Trying to think what else Toyota could use that engine for…..couldn’t have been a one-off just for the TX model.
GX Twin Turbo or LC 250 hybrid engine
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I believe it is also the only powertrain for the Toyota Century SUV. Could have been initially developed just for the Century and then re-used on the TX. I am surprised not to see it used more broadly in the Lexus lineup - especially for the RX which is the most important vehicle in the Lexus stable.
Can't wait to see how it is in real life. The TX550h looks to me to compare pretty favorably to the LX as a luxury people mover. Probably better than the Sequoia Capstone too. And maybe less expensive. Hard to see it not being a big winner for Toyota.
Just looked at the TX press release. What surprises me is the est 24mpg figure for the 2.4T-H, and not for the reason you probably assume. See, I would assume that’s the same powertrain as the Grand Highlander Hybrid MAX(same platform, same wheelbase…these vehicles are twins)? Which is rated at 27mpg combined. Wonder why it’s rated so much lower?
Also I know it’s not quite the same as the LC version (transverse v longitudinal), but I do think it’s worth keeping these models as reference points since it’s similar powertrain, weight, and AWD, dimensionally the GH and TX are a bit bigger.
Also I know it’s not quite the same as the LC version (transverse v longitudinal), but I do think it’s worth keeping these models as reference points since it’s similar powertrain, weight, and AWD, dimensionally the GH and TX are a bit bigger.
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Maybe I missed it? This is the first mention I've seen of the GX using a "Ferrari Turbo". This youtuber goes through the GX550 Turbo, from the "IHI Turbo" company, made in Japan, he claims is the same type/brand turbo as the Ferrari Turbos.
Any guesses of the brand turbo in the LC250, the new Tacoma or the upcoming 4Runner with the same engine as the Tacoma?
Any guesses of the brand turbo in the LC250, the new Tacoma or the upcoming 4Runner with the same engine as the Tacoma?
Yeah maybe IHI … they are a big company, toyota has used them in the past for previa superchargers.
Only a handful of major OE-supplier turbo manufacturers ….Audi/VW tend to use borg warner, gm tends to use Garrett, ram/Cummins uses holset. Looks like toyota has used a variety but has also made their own turbos.
www.turbomaster.info
I wouldn’t read too far into the “feRaRri tUrBo”
Only a handful of major OE-supplier turbo manufacturers ….Audi/VW tend to use borg warner, gm tends to use Garrett, ram/Cummins uses holset. Looks like toyota has used a variety but has also made their own turbos.
GARRETT turbos for Toyota passenger cars and vans - Applications - TurboMaster
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I wouldn’t read too far into the “feRaRri tUrBo”
I think the T24A in the LC is a toyota developed turbo (based on some googling). Other than that guys video I don’t see anything online about who makes the turbo in the V35A…but it’s pretty irrelevant.I'm thought Toyota said they were building them in-house in the marketing materials somewhere. But that can mean a lot of things.
But I've read the turbos say IHI on the side. So probably IHI
Edit: sauce:
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Are some of the GX prototypes being paraded around the country hiding a hybrid ?
At the 3:35 mark you can see the blue MAX indicator in the dash:
Reading in the comments section of this influencer’s video, he claims that he was told the hybrid motor was in the pre production model in the following video:
It’s probably a nothing burger, but thought it was interesting.
At the 3:35 mark you can see the blue MAX indicator in the dash:
Reading in the comments section of this influencer’s video, he claims that he was told the hybrid motor was in the pre production model in the following video:
It’s probably a nothing burger, but thought it was interesting.
I doubt it is the v6 hybrid engine
we already know the GX is going to be available with a hybrid in some markets and that is the same engine as the US LC250.
Unless they surprise us with the North American GX hybrid possibly having the v6 hybrid at some point in the near future to differentiate it from the LC?
or it could just be a pre production mixup kind of thing when they have a mix of parts from different versions in one vehicle.
we already know the GX is going to be available with a hybrid in some markets and that is the same engine as the US LC250.
Unless they surprise us with the North American GX hybrid possibly having the v6 hybrid at some point in the near future to differentiate it from the LC?
or it could just be a pre production mixup kind of thing when they have a mix of parts from different versions in one vehicle.
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I still think they won't do a lc300 or 250 with the V6 hybrid. The reason is the transfer case. I don't think there are any awd transfer cases rated for that much torque from aisin and I don't think they'll put a non awd case in the Lexus models. Maybe the 300/250 models, but even then it's a tricky proposition to have a top spec engine without AWD and base with it.
The turbo 4 hybrid makes more sense. Even if they want more power they can just up the battery size and output. Turbo 4 hybrid likely going to be about a second quicker than the TTV6 to 60 already.
The turbo 4 hybrid makes more sense. Even if they want more power they can just up the battery size and output. Turbo 4 hybrid likely going to be about a second quicker than the TTV6 to 60 already.
LX700h was trademarked earlier this year ( though that doesn't necessarily mean its coming to market but still an indicator of what could possibly come within 2 years )
LX700H Trademark Application of TOYOTA JIDOSHA KABUSHIKI KAISHA - Serial Number 97824727 :: Justia Trademarks
automobiles and structural parts thereof
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I can't personally confirm anything and no one will know until they officially announce it.
In the Middle East we won't be getting the hybrid LC250...we will get the non hybrid version instead.
It's hard to see a big net benefit to the LX by going hybrid v6. A 10mpg improvement would be a big deal though. LX700 makes sense as a hybrid v6 by naming convention. I don't think they'd offer less net power though. Seems like that would be called an lx550h.LX700h was trademarked earlier this year ( though that doesn't necessarily mean its coming to market but still an indicator of what could possibly come within 2 years )
LX700H Trademark Application of TOYOTA JIDOSHA KABUSHIKI KAISHA - Serial Number 97824727 :: Justia Trademarks
automobiles and structural parts thereof
I can't personally confirm anything and no one will know until they officially announce it.
In the Middle East we won't be getting the hybrid LC250...we will get the non hybrid version instead.
Hybrid would be a tough sell honestly unless they come out with something that has closer to 500hp (which won't happen - atleast not anytime soon) that sits above the Seqouia/Tundra hybrid power wise.
Not only that, it would need to offer more luxury as well to attract hesitant buyers.
Realistically i think we may get 450hp for the hybrid lx700h..maybe 460hp and probably around 800nm.
FYI to date
The most powerful LX to ever leave the factory is still the 2014 supercharged limited edition LX 570.
They made only 200 of those, only for the GCC market and only for MY2014.
It had 450hp and 706nm
The figures were pretty conservative though and anyone who has supercharged a 5.7 knows that 450hp is nothing.
It seems like the obvious way an LX700 works in the Lexus lineup in the USA is if it's a Sequoia size. It's remarkable that there isn't one. Imagine GM deciding not to make the Escalade in favor of whatever its midsize SUV is as the range topping model.
The Lexus LX as far as I know outsells the Seqouia globally (as of 2022 anyway).
Seqouia is only a North America product at the moment (used to be sold in ME between 2009-2016).
For the US Market though without a doubt a Seqouia based Lexus would sell better than the LX.
It wouldn't be called LX though..maybe JX.
US dealers have been asking lexus to make one for years.
Seqouia is only a North America product at the moment (used to be sold in ME between 2009-2016).
For the US Market though without a doubt a Seqouia based Lexus would sell better than the LX.
It wouldn't be called LX though..maybe JX.
US dealers have been asking lexus to make one for years.
I can't find good data on LX sales globally. About half of all lexus models globally are sold in the USA. Toyota sold about 5,700 LX in the USA 2023 through September and 14,000 Sequoia during the same period. If the LX sales to Lexus total sales ratio is comparable to the USA in other markets the Sequoia would outsell the LX globally by about 30%. But I have no idea what global LX sales are.
I'm not sure how the numbers work out at Toyota though. The LX is a trim of the LC300 while the Sequoia is sort of a stand-alone product. Comparing one trim to a different model isn't necessarily apples to apples.
If the Sequoia were offered globally - hard to know how well it would do. Size wise it's a direct competitor with the Nissan Patrol Y62. So, anywhere the y62 is sold the Sequoia could presumably also fit size wise. I think it would sell pretty well in those markets as a larger more powerful option in Toyota's lineup.
Probably would need a different name. But who knows. Toyota isn't always consistent with naming conventions. I'd call it an LX700-XL. Or maybe just LXXL.
The Seqouia when it was sold here was still outsold by the Patrol and LC200/LX570 by very large margins. However it was still a nice alternative to the big gm trucks and was priced very cheap actually and towards the end of its run here it sold pretty well as an alternative to the big gm trucks.
The Seqouia now is a much nicer vehicle than it was in the past but unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's coming back globally or to the Middle East specifically because they are worried it won't sell as well or it might cannabilse some lc300 sales.
i think it would sell nicely and no one is asking for it to outsell the lc300 here but it would be a solid performer enough to justify it being offered here...but like I said Toyota pulled it out of the market here in 2016.
I think specced properly and priced properly it would end up selling more outside of North America. Maybe it might happen as a last chance run if sales in the US are poor.
The Tundra is going to Australia though as big American trucks are starting to gain some popularity. It will be converted to RHD locally by one of the big companies that does it and I expect it to do very well.
Not offering the Tundra in the Middle East is crazy.
We love big US trucks, a huge loss honestly.
Again my guess is they are afraid it will cannibalise some lc300/lc70 sales
They shouldnt overlap but Toyota seems to think so.
As for the biggest LC market in the Middle East the biggest thing lc200 owners asked for was don't make it bigger please and Toyota responded...maybe abit too well.
The issue is people want more interior volume
without making the body bigger.
It is difficult and actually the Lc300 lost interior space in most areas, not insane amount but it did. So they definitely need to reverse that for the next gen, without changing the body size much.
People here love the LC/LX name and would buy anything Toyota/Lexus sell with that name.
The same applies to the Nissan Patrol. That is going to be a very nice vehicle.
I personally would never consider a Seqouia. Nice vehicle and I respect it but its too big and bulky for my preference and its not a fault of the vehicle as that is its requirement..it is a full size after all.
The lc300 is the perfect size for me.
Even the Nissan Patrol Y62 is a touch too big for my liking body wise.
Alot of lc owners here agree with me but also want abit more interior space without changing the body size.
Me personally I think abit more 2nd row legroom would be welcome.
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Was at North American HQ yesterday and they walked back the 27mpg number.
The hybrid does not increase mpg or range.
I would get the Lexux over the LC250 for the 3.5TT alone. If I did not tow s trailer I might consider the I4.
So why the hybrid at all if there is no MPG improvement at all over the 3.5tt that just doesn't make any sense...
