Objectively, you won’t take your $75k GX550 down the same trails as my ‘98 100, therefore making my 100 more better?
GX Objectively better than LX for off road.
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What do you think an OT LX would go for?
Second question (or maybe first?) - what would an OT LX look like? AHC or EKDSS?
If it's eKDSS - what makes it different from an OT GX? They're practically the same size, then you'd have same suspension, same engine, etc. At that point it's body skins and interior trim layout differences.
If it's AHC - is it $120k? Is the adjustable height worth $30-40k? IMO it's worth maybe $5k.
If I buy a GX 550, I’ll take it off-road. I’ve taken my 200 off-road every year.
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The LX600 center stack is a hot mess.
Funny - my wife has the same screen in her BMW X3M4.0
I'm not Lexus, so I can't comment on pricing.
I personally would want EKDSS for the comparative ease of lifting.
As for the GX/LX differentiation, I would assume that an OT LX would have nicer anointments inside, 4-zone climate, real leather, etc. Functionally it'll be similar, but the LX interior volume would be slightly larger.
Or do Lexus go full ham on the LX600 Overtrail? Think along the lines of F150 Raptor or Ram TRX? New body panels, big tires, longer travel, rearranged front end for more clearance.
One can dream lol.
I took my GX offroad within a month of me owning it. I think it first hit dirt around 1,000 miles, being purchased brand new at 3 miles. Some people do it, most won't. We're the superminority when it comes to that regard.
According to the spec sheets - the GX and LX both have the same 46 cubic feet of cargo volume behind the 2nd row and the GX has 76.9 all rows down vs 71 for the LX. Looks like GX has a slight advantage on interior volume. Not sure why that is, but it's close either way.
Interior appointments probably are a bit nicer in the LX. I've yet to see a GX in person so I can't really make any comment on that. For me - I'd pay more for fake leather. It's better. But that's probably not a universally held belief (until you compare them at 15 years old - then it'll be a near universal agreement.)
I don't know if I'd rather go with eKDSS or AHC. I think both are great and it would be a hard decision. I think I'd opt for eKDSS and look for TRD Pro suspension from a Tacoma or Tundra whichever fits to match up with it as my ideal choice. But AHC is pretty remarkable in how well it can do a wide range of tasks well.
I think Land Rover did some sort of a study/survey and found that it was over 7 years on average before a Defender was expected to touch dirt for the first time.
Yeah - something like MB Tex would be perfect and would never wear.
I think AHC is a terrible idea..sounds great on paper but it's a maintenance nightmare (assuming my memory isn't failing me).
I personally think it is odd to have a Halo LX Overtail version...the clientele who are attracted to an LX might be turned off by such an aggressive beast. Reminder...we here on mud are the exception to the rule.
Btw, I already have several trips lined up with the family in the 550. First is Big Bend National Park (or maybe 4 corners) / Second are the private cabins my wife's family has in Monument, Colorado...can't get up there w/out a 4x4 on private-primitive roads.
Family is still young so glampingis in the vocab for now:
I personally think it is odd to have a Halo LX Overtail version...the clientele who are attracted to an LX might be turned off by such an aggressive beast. Reminder...we here on mud are the exception to the rule.
Btw, I already have several trips lined up with the family in the 550. First is Big Bend National Park (or maybe 4 corners) / Second are the private cabins my wife's family has in Monument, Colorado...can't get up there w/out a 4x4 on private-primitive roads.
Family is still young so glampingis in the vocab for now:
That's not my understanding.
One of my 80s has factory lockers front and rear. Lexus did on the LX450.
I will not be surprised to see LC250 offered with front locker on a future trim. In fact, I expect it. I sort of doubt it on the GX.
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Toyota's softex or whatever Lexus calls it is very good. Softer and more elastic than leather and wears exceptionally well. I can't really think of any reason I'd rather have cow hide. My softex 4Runner and RX350 we bought the same day look very different after 10 years and 100k miles. Softex looks factory new. Wipe down and you could put in a new showroom car. Also much nicer in cold temps. My current Tundra is real leather and it's hard and cold getting in (it's been -20's F this week). Also shows a lot more visible wear vs softex despite being newer and many fewer miles. My RX looks like worn leather. Not failing or anything, but definitely not passable as like new.
I don't.
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I sure dont see the justification for an lx costing 30k more than a Gx any more. Not in just an off road perspective either. Frames are nearly the same, engine same except for tune and turbos, etc. Are all the other small bits combined with the manufacturing process of that specific plant really worth 30k?
That question has never deterred Toyota or Lexus from force feeding the US market needless, overpriced luxury.
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Beating up Land Cruisers since 2015
The LX600 always felt like a swing and a miss to me. Lexus really didn't make it good at anything, and the double center screens look ridiculous.
At the $100k price point, there are just a LOT of better options. The reliability argument falls apart at that price point - those buyers want "nice now" not "mediocre for 25 years." Speaking for myself, it's why I bought a 2023 Navigator instead. Maybe it falls apart in a few years (maybe not?) - either way I won't care. It has a warranty for 4yrs/50k miles and I will have sold it well before then. Nothing about the LX600 was compelling.
The GX550 is priced right, and Lexus made the mission of the vehicle pretty clear. They actually made a vehicle in a class of it's own, which is not a typical Lexus/Toyota move. BoF with fairly incredible capability. Some have said it competes with the Land Rover Defender (Pretender, as I like to call it), and that may be true for the Defender customers, but it's definitely not true in terms of what the vehicles are and what they will be able to do.
I'm impressed that Lexus didn't pull any punches on it, especially for the Overtail trim. Putting 35s on it and a winch bumper probably won't be too difficult. Steps are made to be switched for legit rock sliders. This is my kind of Toyota product. It will be in very high demand, no doubt. I'm number 120 on my local Lexus dealer's list...
I was with you until the navigator. My friends Navigator overheats regularly on the higher elevation passes in the summer in Utah. That gets real old real fast. Part of the value of the LX is that you don't have to think about it. It just works.The LX600 always felt like a swing and a miss to me. Lexus really didn't make it good at anything, and the double center screens look ridiculous.
At the $100k price point, there are just a LOT of better options. The reliability argument falls apart at that price point - those buyers want "nice now" not "mediocre for 25 years." Speaking for myself, it's why I bought a 2023 Navigator instead. Maybe it falls apart in a few years (maybe not?) - either way I won't care. It has a warranty for 4yrs/50k miles and I will have sold it well before then. Nothing about the LX600 was compelling.
The GX550 is priced right, and Lexus made the mission of the vehicle pretty clear. They actually made a vehicle in a class of it's own, which is not a typical Lexus/Toyota move. BoF with fairly incredible capability. Some have said it competes with the Land Rover Defender (Pretender, as I like to call it), and that may be true for the Defender customers, but it's definitely not true in terms of what the vehicles are and what they will be able to do.
I'm impressed that Lexus didn't pull any punches on it, especially for the Overtail trim. Putting 35s on it and a winch bumper probably won't be too difficult. Steps are made to be switched for legit rock sliders. This is my kind of Toyota product. It will be in very high demand, no doubt. I'm number 120 on my local Lexus dealer's list...
I absolutely agree that it's the wrong vehicle in its price segment. It's not a very good highway luxury wagon or a very good off-road adventure wagon. (By that I mean it's good not ultra luxury good) The GX fits category 2 very well. The TX does the first category better.
The product Toyota has failed to deliver for the last 20 years and needs is a GA-L platform luxury suv. Those are the SUVs that should fit in lexus's lineup. Rear wheel drive based crossover SUV versions of the IS, GS (rip), and LS. Leave the trucks to the Toyota side.
Canyonero
Beating up Land Cruisers since 2015
I’m not here to defend the Navigator, but I will say in at least my first 10,000 miles it has been awesome. I run Colorado mountain passes regularly, loaded, sometimes towing. 440hp twin turbo beef and no issues. Massaging seats and all sorts of luxury. Hell, I’ve used in in 4-lo many times on my land towing a utility trailer. Ok back to the program.
