Got me an old heater; diesel or kerosene?

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This last weekend I picked me up an old Homelite torpedo style heater. 65K BTU and burns both diesel and kerosene. I've got a couple gallons still of some "clean" (extra refined or something) kerosene by Klean Strip so I'll use that up first, but for the sake of heating efficiency and whichever will produce less fumes, would you guys recommend sticking with kerosene or diesel? Obviously diesel is cheaper than kerosene, and with most of the stuff here being the ultra low sulfur stuff, I'm leaning towards diesel. Good plan or no?
 
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I figured both would. Just haven't burned enough of either to get a good indication of how badly.
 
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I prefer Kerosene stench to diesel stench.

Can you convert it to propane? I have a propane Redi Heater and it is fairly fume free, unlike the old "jet engine" style heaters I've used in the past.
 
I prefer Kerosene stench to diesel stench.

Can you convert it to propane? I have a propane Redi Heater and it is fairly fume free, unlike the old "jet engine" style heaters I've used in the past.

I probably could, but it would take some jerry rigging. I borrowed my buddy's propane heater last year though and thought propane was horrible for fumes. Made my shop humid as hell too for some reason. Not sure why it kept doing that.
 
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To me, they both are the same and I can get offroad diesel alot cheaper than Kerosene. Nobody around me even carries it anymore. Both stink. As the winter goes on, I just get used to the smell. :)
 
pot bellied stove and a chainsaw to make fuel....
 
pot bellied stove and a chainsaw to make fuel....

I love the s*** out of pot bellied stoves. Would LOVE to have one set up in the shop. Hell I'm crazy enough to even make fuel "logs" out of shredded junk mail.
 
I have been running off road diesel in mine for a few years. I put the scented fuel additive in mine and it keeps the diesel smell down. Its temp until I can get my wood burning stove set up to burn some waste oil
 
If you live near an airport you might be able the get some jet fuel. Try a private hanger that has it's own fuel. They sump the fuel to get the water out. I get JP-8 for free and it works great.
 
If you live near an airport you might be able the get some jet fuel. Try a private hanger that has it's own fuel. They sump the fuel to get the water out. I get JP-8 for free and it works great.

JP-8 is a kerosene base with special additives added.
The military has been using it in alot of their former diesel vehicles and generators for a while now.
 
Bringing this one back up for the sake of anyone else with a similar style heater. I ran through the Klean-Heat kerosene alternative with very little smell, though I had to ventilate a bit because of the combustion (pretty much a given no matter what fuel I end up using). When I ran through that I put a few gallons of diesel in it to see if it would be tolerable.

NOPE IT WASN'T

The diesel fumes sucked bad in my shop and made the whole place and everything in it smell like ass for damn near the majority of this summer, and the last time I had run it was probably February.

I did notice that the fuel doesn't pass through a filter or even really a nozzle (a fine nozzle anyway). There's a quasi-regulated flow of air that passes through the top of a fuel line T right before going into the combustion chamber, so it just draws the fuel in through a siphon. So I got curious and cut the Klean-Heat fuel with 20% waste veggie oil (since we have plenty and it's a helluva lot cheaper than diesel). I am making sure the oil is filtered and all sediment has settled out of it, just to keep any ash/soot buildup from happening. Worked great and burned just as hot as the kero. And now my shop smells like fried chicken :D

I've got it all apart right now for an overhaul and cleaning, but with good fuel it seems to be a pretty damn good heater to have in a pinch.
 
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Finished overhauling my heater. Figured I'd take some pics and share them in case anyone was interested. Tried to scour Google for any kind of service manual or hell just anything I could find on it, but came up with damn near nothing. It was almost as if this model never existed. It had definitely seen plenty of abuse throughout its life too.

Notice the bailing wire tied to the ends of the handle. The rod just slipped into the ends but because of the heater's weight, the sheet metal shroud would flex and the rod would pop right out. Also the screws holding the upper shroud half onto the lower were mismatched sheet metal screws that barely held the halves together.




Dusty, nasty, and I didn't get a decent pic, but alot of the wiring inside was beat up badly, with exposed strands and chafed insulation. The cord itself was nearly half wrapped with old gummy electrical tape. At a glance I counted half a dozen chafed/exposed spots, along with the ground pin missing from the plug. Had I known it was this bad (with the exception of the missing ground pin) I wouldn't have used it through last Winter. Yeek. The intake filter was barely hanging on too.


It ran fine while I used it though, so I used it as I needed it through last winter.

The rear cover plate after cleaning. No clue what the purpose of the drain plug is. The adjusting screw I found out controls the air going through the fuel pickup siphon, controlling the mixture. It was cranked down hard with solid buildup underneath and all gummed up with old thread sealer. The brass fitting is where the air is pumped out through the system to the fuel siphon.


Underneath the cover plate. Turned out all that black buildup was just dust from the rotor vanes in the air pump. Quick scrub in my solvent tank cleaned it right up.


The rotor and stator vanes. There was lots of tightly packed dust built up in here. The rotor itself was only held in by a spring clip so I was able to clean that in the tank. Vanes got hand cleaned with a solvent-soaked rag and the inside of the housing/ring got cleaned out with rags and Q tips. Curious what pressure and overall CFM this little guy pushes through the siphon.


The rear plate cleaned up and reassembled. The filter that was there crumbled to dust in my hand, so I got a pair of Scotch Brite pads and cut them to match the filter enclosure. The thickness of the two pads was a perfect fit for the intake. Probably filters better than the old element too :rolleyes:


The motor/pump/fan/ignition assembly cleaned up, rewired and reassembled. Pretty much everything got hand cleaned either in the solvent tank or with several healthy blasts of electrical contact cleaner.


Closer pic of the wiring. A lot of it just got replaced. Luckily I have a bunch of old 16AWG cords with ground leads so I was able to easily replace the old beat up one.


I thought this was kind of interesting on an older heater. I would expect a new one to use a safety mechanism, but was surprised to see one on an old unit. From what I can tell by the way it's wired, this photoresistor (which mounts on the back of the combustion chamber facing the flame) continually drops its resistance if there isn't constant exposure to light, which allows more and more current to pass through the breaker until it pops. Not bad to prevent flooding of the chamber if the flame happens to go out (only had that happen when it's run out of fuel, both before and after overhauling it).


Start relay for the motor. First time I had seen one like this, but apparently this style isn't uncommon. It was caked with dust and greasy crud, so it ended up getting almost half a can of contact cleaner.


Heater reassembled after cleanup. I put a couple large fender washers under the handle ends and used a couple screws with acorn nuts to secure them to the bar. Solid as a rock now. Since they were small enough to fit in my toaster oven I painted and baked them. The shroud halves and tank will likely be done in the Summer. The weather was cooling off fast here and I didn't have time to wait for a good cure without the help of an oven.


Nice & toasty! Before overhauling it, the nose of the combustion chamber wouldn't glow at all. I didn't realize just how much heat this could crank out (can't really tell BTUs by feel) until I got it all cleaned up and got the mixture dialed in right. I also gave the strainer screen in the fuel pickup a good cleaning since it was nearly completely clogged with little bit of gunk and rust. Looks like next Summer I'll be flushing out the tank with some muriatic acid and putting some sort of coating material in it. But with everything clean and tuned up it works FAR better now. A little quieter, NO more stink with kero, lights off instantly now and of course, I'm getting a lot more heat output for the fuel used.


Turned out after running just less than a full tank (five gallons) of the kero/WVO mixture through, the heater was having trouble lighting. I still had between a quart and half a gallon in the tank so I pulled the upper shroud and took a look into the combustion chamber and it looked like the nozzle was having trouble getting a constant mixture of air & fuel through. So I pulled the chamber, cleaned out the nozzle and put a couple gallons of diesel (all I had handy) in to further dilute down the WVO in the mixture. It's working great again, and even though the smell was still noticeable it was FAR less noxious than before the overhaul. With the addition of a couple ounces of isopropyl alcohol per gallon of diesel to lower the flashpoint a bit and get a more complete burn, it was actually better than even the Klean Heat kero was burning before the overhaul. I might give a couple gallons of pure diesel a try again with the alcohol added and see how it does for odor. If I don't like it, at least now I know that I can go back to the (expensive) Klean Heat kero and have no noticeable smell at all. I could keep putting WVO in, but it's not worth the extra maintenance it would take to make it work. Sure smelled good while it lasted though.

In case any of you are curious, here's the info tag from the heater.
 
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k1 is all i run in mine. she seems to think i stink when i come in, but i do not notice any smell while i'm in the garage...other than right at start up and shutdown.
 
I have one of the Toyo wick type kero heaters, like this:

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It burns clean & quiet on K1, but that stuff gets expensive. Has anybody tried any alternative fuels, like diesel, WVO, WMO, B20, etc in one?
 
Whaddya all use heaters for ?


78* today :grinpimp:

Flame on, Johnny! :cheers:
 
Thanks for your help. :flipoff2:
Now I'm getting hot under the collar cause it's cold here and you're rubbing it in.

Don't need a heater, just hafta think about that lazy bastid Spike lounging about in the sun. :mad:

;p
 
LOL !

My backyard, so to speak ...

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Ah, you guys can stick out your tongues when the earthquake, fire, flood, bullet, DUI'd-Star, Starlette, undocumented-criminal or Scientologist gets me...
 

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