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I came across a link on a website that I regularly subscribes to about various things and this happens to be a 1995 FJ 80 fully modified/restored (I understand this is LC 100 forum so I won't go into detail) TLC 4x4-Modified 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser FZJ80 - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-toyota-land-cruiser-31/
Just wanted to get some thoughts on restoration of a 2005 LC 100, I know this is not the model that's most thought after but purchased it as a floor model back in 2006 as first owner and would like to keep it as long and as original as I can. Has anyone done a full restoration of a 100 series or have come across any? Not necessarily all at once but slowly over time is what I'm thinking.
That link for the FJ 80 does have a 6.2 L Corvette LS3 engine under the hood, obviously meant for the car but I'm sure it's got some juice. I was thinking at some point the 100 series engine may need to get replaced so that makes me wonder. Has anyone replaced the engine here? The car has about 170K original miles on it now and I started to hear a little rattle here and there but those little nuisances are the little issues I started to address and probably eventually the headliner and front two leather seats and so on...
 
I’d reach out to 2001LC on his forum for his thoughts and a consult. He could restore yours and make sure that engine is whisper quiet for another 200k miles.
 
There's a guy on the forum, I think based out of Europe, that's doing a pretty thorough restore on his 100. Look up 'hot dip galvanized'.

I fantasize about restoring my truck, basically building it new, whenever the time comes that I'm not wheeling it anymore. Yeah, right...
 
Just be prepared for sticker shock, a TLC4x4 full restoration of an 80 series is in the $200K+ range. Probably worth it for an earlier Land Cruiser given the level to which the work is performed (do a search for Joe Rogan's 80 series) but not for a 100 of your vintage.

For 20 years I've said that if I ever win the lottery my wife will be the first call and the second one will be to Jonathan Ward. I'm sticking to that plan! :)
 
I see you've a thread going. Let's talk here rather than in PM. So all can contribute and benefit.
I came across a link on a website that I regularly subscribes to about various things and this happens to be a 1995 FJ 80 fully modified/restored (I understand this is LC 100 forum so I won't go into detail) TLC 4x4-Modified 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser FZJ80 - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-toyota-land-cruiser-31/
Just wanted to get some thoughts on restoration of a 2005 LC 100, I know this is not the model that's most thought after but purchased it as a floor model back in 2006 as first owner and would like to keep it as long and as original as I can. Has anyone done a full restoration of a 100 series or have come across any? Not necessarily all at once but slowly over time is what I'm thinking.
That link for the FJ 80 does have a 6.2 L Corvette LS3 engine under the hood, obviously meant for the car but I'm sure it's got some juice. I was thinking at some point the 100 series engine may need to get replaced so that makes me wonder. Has anyone replaced the engine here? The car has about 170K original miles on it now and I started to hear a little rattle here and there but those little nuisances are the little issues I started to address and probably eventually the headliner and front two leather seats and so on...
I'll post the two most relevant from PM, that you posted about your issues.: Which number one concern is P0430!

"Hi,
One of the members here pointed me to you and I'm hoping you can provide some pointers out of your busy schedule. I have a 2005 100 I bought as floor model in 2006, I'm the original owner and now it has about 173K miles. Been a daily driver and was in storage for couple of years while I was on assignment overseas. Car was purchased in CA and I've relocated to FL about four years ago, unfortunately not a lot of Cruiser shops here, but lots of Jeeps though. Hard to find a trustworthy shop to take care of the car, been to couple of dealers but I always doubt their work if they are not trying to rip you off.
Just had the front axle replaced and new tires, the rig runs great other than showing a bit age with some rattles on the back and door panels. The rear AC backlight is out and glove compartment is not aligned. The big ticket item is it has been throwing me the P430 code (bank 2) for couple of years now and I have been able to clear it and give it a good additive and will stay off a few months at a time until recently it will re-light up the same day. Is there any suggestion other than getting an OEM factory CAT replaced which costs $$$? Car continues to drive fine without any issues. But I was told eventually it may clog up and damage the engine so I need to address the CEL soon.
I will eventually replace the front two leather seats once the leather start to crack and that leads me to a restoration at some point. As far as engine-related issues, based on your experience, have you done any replacements (do they need at some point?) or a engine mechanical restoration would give it a second life? I get offers on the streets wanting to buy my rig (including dealerships) few times a year since the car is in decent shape and I would like to eventually restore to it's full glory. I heard you're the guy. Unfortunately I'm in Florida and your in Colorado.
Looking forward to hearing from you."

"
Paul,
Thanks for your quick diagnostic! I should qualify with more accurate time line. The CEL first started appearing actually I would say +/- 7 years ago, not immediately after coming out of storage. But when it first appeared, I believe it the shop I took it to determined it was caused by O2 sensors, so they were replaced, I forgot up or down stream, then it went away for a year maybe, then started appearing again on and off at random times. The vehicle was stored in a professional covered garage from 2014-2016, driven a short distance once a month to "exercise" the car during the storage.
I'm planning to take my car to a local shop in Orlando area, conveniently named "The Muffler Man," specializing in those codes and exhaust work, hopefully he can find the root cause of the issue rather than replacing the CAT.
I don't remember when was the last time spark plugs were replaced, maybe 30-40K miles ago? I haven't had a tune-up for a while other than routine oil change. Recently replaced a new K & N cone air filter.
Since the axle was replaced by the dealership (I was really upset when I found out I was sold their OEM value line rather then the true factory axle by the way-but the cost was justified given they supposedly said it had lifetime warranty?), I recently discovered some grease around the boot, so I'm taking it back for them to check their own work, plus it is time for oil change.
I'm hesitant if I should ask them about tune-up or clean the MAF sensor since that may give them opportunity to upsell me something I don't need. They also wanted to sell me factory OEM CATs (2) for almost $4K last time when the car was there for service. So they obviously are not interested in getting to source of the problem.

Peter
"
 
I think you may be conflating a full restoration with careful upkeep.

Careful upkeep can keep a vehicle (100, or otherwise) real nice for as long as you're willing to pay for it. It's not terribly expensive, but takes the courage to spend more on regular maintenance and repairs than most people do.

Restoration - at least on the TLC 4x4 level - is a separate tier to me. That sort of thing goes way beyond fixing every little broken thing and goes into replacing or recommissioning every little trim piece that's slightly faded. Repainting the entire body for $10-25k. Replacing all the upholstery and foam in the seats (or seats altogether), etc... The list goes on and on and involves a nearly limitless budget or some serious dedication. That frame off restoration in Europe (Hungary?) is pretty sweet. That's one of only a few big restoration jobs I've seen on the 100. Definitely requires a sliding mix of skill/time/money/space.

Anyone can do the careful upkeep option. You've got to have some sort of uniquely awesome life circumstance to take on the second.

I'm attempting a version of option two on my 91 Supra. Got about halfway through body work, paint and reassembly and stalled out. With two kiddos the time component has nearly evaporated. Still have the space and enough money to not take shortcuts, but not enough to pay a top tier pro I could trust to just do it for me. I'd be happy if I completed it in 5 years from now. Might not happen.
 
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I'm attempting a version of option two on my 91 Supra. Got about halfway through body work, paint and reassembly and stalled out. With two kiddos the time component has nearly evaporated. Still have the space and enough money to not take shortcuts, but not enough to pay a top tier pro I could trust to just do it for me. I'd be happy if I completed it in 5 years from now. Might not happen.

Hint: I switched my "restore it" addiction to motorcycles. Much easier to store. Much less parts and much quicker to get done. Kiddo can hold most parts pretending helping. For me it's win-win. No huge non-moving objects in garage, same satisfaction from getting something done.
 
A full restoration can easily go $100,000. A better bet is careful preservation.
 
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You guys are right, I think it would be more of a higher level of maintenance bring everything back in working order but not replace every little nuts and switches as well as disassemble paint then reassemble.
 
I think some of us have "perpetual restoration" projects going. A project should have a start and end date. LOL

Oh, wait this is a sprint in a never-ending restoration product lifecycle.
 
I did the frame off restoration (in Bulgaria) - HDJ100 - Body off renovation, now with a hot dip galvanised frame *Picture Heavy* - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/hdj100-body-off-renovation-now-with-a-hot-dip-galvanised-frame-picture-heavy.1220814/
It took me (a complete amateur) ~800 hours + 100-150 hours of help. A local place that does such restorations on 40, 60 & 70 series estimates 300-350 billable hours to do about the same.
I do not think it is worth it for such vehicle - newest ones available are barely 14 years old. Cost to do it now vs cost to do it in 10 years, when it is more likely that such projects would be actually needed is going to be very close.
I loved doing mine!

Change most of the bushings and some seals (hubs, diffs), refresh the ABS motor, replace the outboard joints of the CV axle and the hub splines, flush the AHC if you have it, wax it underneath and you have done 95% of all the maintenance you would ever need.
 
For some of the more reputable shops in Texas the billable rate is $150 an hour, so at the low end of that estimate you're looking at ~$55K in labor, not counting factory parts/consumables/paint/leather/wheels/tires etc.... Not too far off of the $100K that people have thrown out as estimates.
 
I think the title here is conjuring up vision of frame off restoration with a body dip. Which I don't think is what is intent here!

But If prices keep going up, we may see more of these frame off "restoration, more like what @Moridinbg did.

I know of a restoration shop south of me in COSp. An 80 series, that they were commissioned to do full restoration on. Took more than a year at a cost to client of $120K. Watching car shows I see numbers anywhere from $50k to $250K, 6 mo to 5 years.

Here billable rates vary greatly. One lexus dealership near my is $189hr. A nearby Toyota Dealership is $129. Restoration shops go more by actual time, than any book billable rate. They also will vary greatly on hr.ly rate, from shop to shop city to city and specialty.
 
I came across a link on a website that I regularly subscribes to about various things and this happens to be a 1995 FJ 80 fully modified/restored (I understand this is LC 100 forum so I won't go into detail) TLC 4x4-Modified 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser FZJ80 - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-toyota-land-cruiser-31/
Just wanted to get some thoughts on restoration of a 2005 LC 100, I know this is not the model that's most thought after but purchased it as a floor model back in 2006 as first owner and would like to keep it as long and as original as I can. Has anyone done a full restoration of a 100 series or have come across any? Not necessarily all at once but slowly over time is what I'm thinking.
That link for the FJ 80 does have a 6.2 L Corvette LS3 engine under the hood, obviously meant for the car but I'm sure it's got some juice. I was thinking at some point the 100 series engine may need to get replaced so that makes me wonder. Has anyone replaced the engine here? The car has about 170K original miles on it now and I started to hear a little rattle here and there but those little nuisances are the little issues I started to address and probably eventually the headliner and front two leather seats and so on...
BTW: If by this statement "Recently replaced a new K & N cone air filter." I only use OEM filter. If this is the "cone" filter that requires removal of factory air box and pipe. I would go back to factory setup.
 
I have been told about going back to the factory air box, but unfortunately I left that at my dad's house back in CA and I believe it's been thrown out during a major garage remodel. Are you eluding to that's what may be causing the P0430 code?
Is is worth the money to buy another OEM air box back? Is there used ones I can buy?
This is where my MAF is located now.

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Just be prepared for sticker shock, a TLC4x4 full restoration of an 80 series is in the $200K+ range. Probably worth it for an earlier Land Cruiser given the level to which the work is performed (do a search for Joe Rogan's 80 series) but not for a 100 of your vintage.

For 20 years I've said that if I ever win the lottery my wife will be the first call and the second one will be to Jonathan Ward. I'm sticking to that plan! :)
Thats his ICON line... I get its one in the same, but I think he brands those high end builds ICON now. Like the Joe Rogan build. 250k or so.

IIRC TLC4x4 start around 60-80k and go up from there. They pop up on bring a trailer here and there and some people post what they paid.
 
The highest prices I’ve seen for 100s are $62k for the 18k mile LX on Cars and Bids and $60k for a low mileage black LC. Let’s say there’s an even better one than those. What’s it sell for, $80k? Another $20k to go through everything. Even for $100k it’s just cheaper right now to start with the best 100 you can find as opposed to a full restoration.
 
I have been told about going back to the factory air box, but unfortunately I left that at my dad's house back in CA and I believe it's been thrown out during a major garage remodel. Are you eluding to that's what may be causing the P0430 code?
Is is worth the money to buy another OEM air box back? Is there used ones I can buy?
This is where my MAF is located now.
no that won't cause a cat code. I wouldn't bother looking for a stock one at that price point. You just don't want unmetered air getting in.
 

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