I've been thinking more about this lately. Seems like space is tight on the axle with the factory springs pads. What do you think would be the best way to raise the panhard at the axle? Would one of Ruff Stuff's prefabbed panhard mounts fit there?
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I've been thinking more about this lately. Seems like space is tight on the axle with the factory springs pads. What do you think would be the best way to raise the panhard at the axle? Would one of Ruff Stuff's prefabbed panhard mounts fit there?
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If i may, with all due respect. You have a paralell 4 link and stock panhard bar, correct?
If you will, can i ask for some measurements and then compare them to the factory radius arm specs on a spreadsheet to display a few things you may have overlooked in your design?
Specifically, your reference to panhard heights affectiveness on whats really going on on a lifted 80 chassis.
If i may, with all due respect. You have a paralell 4 link and stock panhard bar, correct?
If you will, can i ask for some measurements and then compare them to the factory radius arm specs on a spreadsheet to display a few things you may have overlooked in your design?
Specifically, your reference to panhard heights affectiveness on whats really going on on a lifted 80 chassis.
Yeah I remember that one. Coilovers though, so a bit more room on the axle
Another member here did exactly what you're describing using a Slee arm on the passenger side and a Ruff Stuff bracket. But he's on coilovers too
Billy will, or would, machine the housing to accept the WSS. Don't know how much impact that has on the crap ass ABS, anyway.
Short of a dash light, can't imagine it'd ever be missed.
Wow thanks for clearing that up.
nukegoat
Should have bought a Jeep
You have a spreadsheet that calculates the roll axis for a 5-link? Or is this just an exercise in drawing conclusions from both of Triaged's calculators?
I don't need to break out the tape measure. You said flattening the steering and track bar is awesome for any lifted 80 so just use some hypothetical scenarios and make your point.
I have been able to get almost full articulation out of the factory arm set up with some tweaks. It does come at a price, nothing in the front suspension is happy, nothing, parts are short lived, and things are stressed hard. I dont think Toyotas design considered any but 6" travel shocks in there design. Can you get good handling with lots of articulation I would yes if you throw enough money at but in the end its still a big 6K station wagon. We always want more but sometime it makes more $ense to paint with the colors you have.
Was she THAT old and ugly?
Pics, man. Pics.
Let a jury of your peers decide!
Where do you know of capable of producing larger than 1 1/8"X50" bar?
I was fueling the fire and your comment fit the bill.
Wasn't personal.
Its the same as a 3 link, except you bind up eventually.
If my comments are offending you, thats not the intention and i offer an apology either way.
If people love their radius arms and dont mind the weird querks they envoke on a lifted 80, thats fine. Ill shutup and go back to googling geriatric porn sites.
But somebody with 4/6" slee coils, lift the front and rear panhards 3-4" and report back on how it drives straighter, doesnt have exagerated steering inputs and that vague body roll feeling seems to go back to stockish.
If my comments are offending you, thats not the intention and i offer an apology either way.
If people love their radius arms and dont mind the weird querks they envoke on a lifted 80, thats fine. Ill shutup and go back to googling geriatric porn sites.
But somebody with 4/6" slee coils, lift the front and rear panhards 3-4" and report back on how it drives straighter, doesnt have exagerated steering inputs and that vague body roll feeling seems to go back to stockish.
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The hellfire knuckles i have have an abs hole. I dunno that the system really serves much good once a 36-37" tire is on the truck. Mine just caused s***ty brakes and felt unsafe. Its disconnected.
Where do you know of capable of producing larger than 1 1/8"X50" bar?
Any axle builder? Heck, a longside 80 rear shaft is 1.3125 and ~36". just stick a front flange on the diff side
Heck, a longside 80 rear shaft is 1.3125 and ~36". just stick a front flange on the diff side
Yeah, 'cause 36" is longer than 50".....
I have women convinced 4.5" is 8, so pardon me!Yeah, 'cause 36" is longer than 50".....
nukegoat
Should have bought a Jeep
Apologies on my end too. Honestly, we agree on the argument you're making, I think we just disagree on the magnitude of effect. I may be biased because I'm too lazy and cheap to bother dropping the money required to flatten my track bar/drag link. But anecdotally others say it does make a difference. For anyone reading this thread in the future, yes, raising your panhard is a good idea if you have the time or inclination.
I still contend a 3-link has some disadvantages over radius arms, but the Toyota implementation leaves a lot to be desired once you lift the rig.
Huh?
You've been spending too much time on PBB.
Quirky is an understatement.
Won't let anyone else drive.
Ride Sally Ride.
Sounds fine and good, but in my case, having dumped a metric s*** ton of money into parts that claimed to negate that very thing, would like to be able to say, without doubt, before throwing more money into the depths of the rabbit hole.
Been a bottomless pit with each "fix" furthering the distance between a vehicle only I can drive, versus one I'd feel comfortable with anyone else piloting.
Realize that's no one else's responsibility and not insinuating otherwise, but every 3 link post I read that claims to drive as good as OE is swallowed with a shaker of salt, since that's the exact same thing I read about the crap I've already ran and determined a fail.
You're suggesting that a return of the panhard/drag link (realize the angles are established by drag link) to the OE angles should mitigate body roll, regardless of link/radius arm?
Mark said the same and it fell on deaf ears, mine included, but I'll try it and guarantee an honest report.
Now to go round up a couple of more Gs to throw at it....
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That was far from a personal attack and he did say "respectfully reject".
I have a suspension rookie question: What if you removed the radius arms, made new control arms with Heims or Johny joints, and used the stock radius arm frame mount and the rearmost axle mounting hole. Gusseting the axle side mounts since they look kind of flimsy. Speculations ?
